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Title: Opinion 'Birthers' must be stopped
Source: LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion ... her31-2009jul31,0,622151.story
Published: Jul 31, 2009
Author: Bill Maher
Post Date: 2009-08-01 09:03:36 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 183
Comments: 16

Never underestimate the ability of a tiny fringe group of losers to ruin everything.

For the last couple of weeks, we've all been laughing heartily at the wacky antics of the "birthers" -- the far-right goofballs who claim Barack Obama wasn't really born in Hawaii and therefore the job of president goes to the runner-up, former Miss California Carrie Prejean.

Also, when Obama was sworn in as president, he forgot to give his answer in the form of a question.

And yet, every week, the chorus of conservatives demanding to see his birth certificate grows. It's like they're the Cambridge police, Obama's in his house -- the White House -- and they need to see some ID.

And there's nothing anyone can do to convince these folks. You could hand them, in person, the original birth certificate and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background ... and they still wouldn't believe it.

Which raises the question: Why, in this country, is it always the religious right that won't take anything on faith?

So far, the reaction from Democrats is to laugh this off, and I understand why. If you seriously believe that President Obama is an African sleeper spy, get out of your chat room and have your house tested for lead.

But we live in America, and in America, if you don't immediately kill arrant nonsense, no matter how ridiculous, it can grow and thrive and eventually take over, like crab grass or reality shows about fat people.

This flap might be a deluded right-wing obsession that is a total waste of time, but so was Whitewater, and look where that ended up. A handful of Republican operatives, enraged at Bill Clinton's unprecedented economic growth and budget surpluses, found a woman named Paula Jones, which led to a woman named Monica Lewinsky, which gave me enough material to eventually be able to buy a big house in Bel-Air. Which I'm still conflicted about.

More recently we had the Swift Boat allegations against John Kerry, in which Kerry was accused of volunteering to serve in Vietnam so he could jump in front of a bullet so he could get a medal and then throw it away to satisfy his urge to insult real Americans. This was so stupid that Kerry refused to even discuss it.

And we all know how well that worked out.

And once these stories get out there, they're hard to stamp out because our media do such a lousy job of speaking truth to stupid. Vietnam, Iraq and the Spanish-American War were all sold on lies that were unchallenged or even abetted by the media. Clinton got impeached and Kerry got destroyed in large part because the media didn't have the guts to say, "This is nonsense."

Lou Dobbs has been saying recently that people are asking a lot of questions about the birth certificate. Yes, the same people who want to know where the sun goes at night.

And Lou, you're their new king.

That's why it's so important that we the few, the proud, the reality-based attack this stuff before it has a chance to fester and spread. This isn't a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It's sentient beings versus the lizard people, and it is to them I offer this deal: I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma.

Bill Maher is host of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher."

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#1. To: All (#0)

How....Libertarian of him. /sarcasm

Funny, Mr. "Libertarian" doesn't mention how those he doesn't agree with should be stopped. Tell us Bill, should they be imprisoned? Tortured into silence.? Shot? I would like to know how you propose to "stop" them.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-01   9:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

They must be worried if they're trotting out their most notorious anti-flack operators like Maher.

This level of denial actually makes the Birther position more credible, as funny as that is when you consider the level of legal proof they offer in their myriad of theories. LOL.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-08-01   9:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

They must be worried if they're trotting out their most notorious anti-flack operators like Maher.

Golly, with Nose Maher on the warpath over the Interloper's qualifications we're screwed. Soon his ilk will be demanding we drop our suspicions regarding JFK, the Gulf of Tonkin, 9-11, and the 2000 presidential selection.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-01   9:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

The coffers have been opened for this jug-eared funnyman to let loose with every trick in his little bag: the straw men, the disinfo, the ridicule and ad hominems. All of this slop shouted from the top of the entertainment ant hill without regard for any of the facts.

I sense that certain circles are getting mighty nervous about the tenure of the Mystery Man they have foisted upon us. Their flagship legislation is sinking as fast as Barky's popularity, and it's a lead pipe cinch that you can't build Camelot on the swamp of a continued recession with a depression on the offing.

The locals are digging out the pitchforks from out the garden shed. Twenty twelve is not going to be pretty.

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randge  posted on  2009-08-01   9:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Bill Maher

ROTFL

buckeroo  posted on  2009-08-01   10:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

And there's nothing anyone can do to convince these folks. You could hand them, in person, the original birth certificate and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background ... and they still wouldn't believe it.

Gee, what's the harm in trying then?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-08-01   11:07:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Esso (#6)

The constant harping for documents that prove He's qualified is taking away from the socialistic agenda, and this agitates the POOfers. I have to admit I enjoy their obsession and the degree this issue has penetrated their precious MSM.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-01   11:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Which raises the question: Why, in this country, is it always the religious right that won't take anything on faith?

Bill Maher wants us to take it on faith that Obama was born here. No thanks Bill. I would rather put a bag over your head and hold it real tight.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-01   11:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Hayek Fan, christine, Cynicom, farmfriend, CadetD, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, HappyToBeMe-4um, Itistoolate, Esso, Clitora, farmfriend, all (#0)

Looks like the Spincycle is being kicked into high gear. The number of similar articles appearing in the major controlled media from the "usual suspects" is itself enlightening.

Notice the same tactics being used over and over again in all of these pieces attack "the birthers":

From: Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

The chief weapon now seems to be ridicule as the "anti-birthers" have no facts to support their position they can only attack individuals and groups with personal attacks and the "giggle factor" on the legitimate questions raised.

This issue, the birth certificate or lack thereof, has legs and that seems to have our would-be masters and mistresses a bit alarmed.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-01   12:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#2)

They must be worried if they're trotting out their most notorious anti-flack operators like Maher.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi

We are now entering Phase Three.

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-08-01   12:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

The chief weapon now seems to be ridicule

A few Obama nerds are fond of spamming threads with pages and pages of court decisions which have no bearing on the facts, but instead dismiss the suit based on plaintiff standing alone. In the land of legalese, they get off on procedural matters, not facts. It must be lonely in mommy's basement, surrounded by empty Cheetos bags.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-01   12:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent, ALL (#9)

I just came across this. If it was posted here, I missed it. I don't know if it's legit.

BOMBSHELL! Supreme Court now has Obama Citizenship

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.

Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.

Britain 's Daily Mailalso carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.

In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey. This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.

This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

LET OTHER Americans KNOW THIS NEWS THAT THE MEDIA WON'T EMBRACE!

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christine  posted on  2009-08-01   12:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#12)

Do you ever wonder whos writes for this Honky Jive turkey, Mahar? I often wonder why he doesn't write more of his own stuff. I've watched his act since he started but I guess fame and money got him. He one of the worst liars I've ever seen.

MING THE MERCILESS  posted on  2009-08-01   18:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#9)

The chief weapon now seems to be ridicule as the "anti-birthers" have no facts

The chief weapon now seems to be ridicule as the "anti-birthers after birthers" have no facts...

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-08-01   18:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#12)

If true this is the smoking gun - particularly the Occidental College Records. This opens the door and makes it harder for others to suppress and secrete records.

I figure that if true Obama should get out, with time off for good behavior, somewhere around 2090.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-01   21:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach (#14)

I stand corrected.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-01   21:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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