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Published: Aug 1, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-08-01 21:07:51 by wudidiz
Keywords: what, wrong, with, people?
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#1. To: wudidiz (#0)
Is that in the verbal sense or as a noun?
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Is that a trick question?
No fucking way.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
wud... I suggest it needs clarification in that it is the...unwashed masses... you speak of, not people in general?????
Prove it. Are you new here????
I would be happy to answer the question except that I find it tricky in that I don't really understand it so I'm having a hard time answering it.
A wide enough topic that Plato would have spent half his life discussing. Thought provoking though.
English a tricky language for you wud???? Actually, you better watch OI, he may have ulterior motives posing such a tricky question.
Well the ambiguity of the question of course hinges upon in which sense it is intended. Is "fucked" an entity thus a noun, an action or state of being and thus a verb, or a modifier (adjective) and thus modifying the meaning of people. So, in order to discuss it the ambiguity needs to be resolved.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I would say that the verbal use of that term is quite final. Quite finite. Over and done with. Accomplished fact. Virginity is no longer a question.
Well, not everyone is f**cked. But most everyone is one way or another. At least it seems so much of the time. Some more than others. I wasn't directing it at anyone here in particular by any means. Just people I have to deal here and there from day to day. So much bulls**t. So much misunderstanding. So much insanity. So much misinformation, deceit, nonsense. I'm sure you get the picture.
Please refer to post #11?
Thought provoking though. See, Lod gets it.
I was fairly our of control when this hit the charts.
Point granted. Tis a verb.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Or a warped sense of humor.;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Satiddy nite and I spect wud has been in the grape juice again.
Of course as a certified toque wearing Great White Norther it could be a little Molson.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Mrs. wud has him weaned off the hard stuff, grape juice on saturday nite is his only sin.
Beaujolais, Burgundy, Pinot Gris, Chardonnay? What kind of "Grape Juice"? ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
As long as it's not Mogen David, you're good.
The best for olde wud...The Domaine Romanée-Conti
I would rather drink "Vick's Formula 44".
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Were you ever a down and out free loading beer snitch????
Good point. I had MD once- it tasted like they had put grape jam and everclear into a blender and let'er rip. Back in the collegiate days, we had parties where we'd get a new fifty gallon tub, and then everyone would bring 'something' to add to the mix. The very worst of those brews were much better that Mogen David on its best day.
All beers ever did here was make me full, and make me have a need to frequently myself of it. My drink du jour is New Amsterdam Gin and Organic Raw Apple Cider - I've convinced myself that it's quite healthful for me.
From Forbes (The World's Most Expensive Wines): "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
College sissies, wussies. In the islands we had a large tub, prolly stolen, those that had hard likker contributed, then we stirred it with dirty old broom handle, drank from mess kit tin cups, soon you never heard so much weeping and wailing in your life. A few would fall off the balcony, others relieve themselves there. Next day would have to send out scouting parties looking for lost souls. Seagrams Seven was a buck and five cents, VO was a buck twenty five.
I've always bought my own. Not much of a beer drinker though - the occasional Grolsch Lager or Guinness though - when I'm in the mood. I'm more of a Single Malt and Cognac (but not at the same time) kind of guy. Although once in a drunken spree during my ill spent youth I recall mixing Beer and Glenlivet. My compadre Chris and I thought it was hilarious sacrilege at the time. Tried it again sober and it was absolutely disgusting.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I haven't drank since '95, but I imagine that would be very good.
MY Father and Uncle use to make dandelion wine. It was clear with yellowish tinge. One had to be careful in handling as it would blow the cork off.
So much for post-war inflation. By the time I was stationed overseas it was about 6 bucks for a half gallon of Smirnoff, although 151 Bacardi was 7.75. My favorite Cognac was about 11 bucks a fifth.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You make me feel ashamed.
Only once have I had Dandelion Wine - it was marvelous - a little sweet but I loved the flavor. The high sugar load would explain the "popping top" as it would probably build up a head of gas in the bottle.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
We use to bring back 40 cases at a time, huge profit.
Could always tell when Dad and Unc were in no pain, down cellar by themselves, singing and silly girlish laughter, now and then a POW as a bottle got mishandled. Some nites the cellar door was locked and they had to sleep down there.
We use to bring back 40 cases at a time, huge profit. I'll bet. Even then the cost of a bottle of hootch was mostly State and Federal taxes. Take off the taxes and you cut the price by 75%.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Sounds like something my Aunt in Montana would do - lock the door. She's also a Black Belt in "Rolling Pin". ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Beer at the club was ten cents, mixed drinks were a quarter, with two or more shots. Two bucks and you were falling down drunk All I know bout it was what the bigger boys told me.
Back in HS, some friends decided that the thing to do would be to brew their own wine. They got it all bottled up, and for some insane reason thought that the place to store it would be in one of the guy's car trunk. Well, it was near the summer of our Spring semester, and things were heating up very nicely during the day. Returning to the '58 Chevy at the end of classes, we found that all the bottles had over heated/fermented enough to render them terrorists bombs (in today's world). We just went to the car wash, disposed of the glass, and hosed it down as best we could. End of story.
I never drank much on base. Usually I was off base hiding out somewhere away from the hoi polloi. Although I do remember a Sake Party, at least I think I remember it. I think I must have had a gyroscope in one of my pockets as that is the only thing that I can think of that could have kept me on my feet.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
In the Islands there was nothing but base. On duty 24/7 , three months at a time.
Good thing you cannot see Lod, on his knees begging Mrs. Lod for the key to the gin cabinet. Just terrible.
On duty 24/7 , three months at a time. Sounds like the sunspot of the Indian Ocean - the delightful Diego Garcia - don't go swimming in the lagoon - there's a 25 foot Hammerhead that calls it home.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
It's not good to watch a grown man grovel.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Lod had his own key but Mrs. Lod took it away.
That's a good thing about marrying in to a full-bird colonel in the USAF's family. The wife was as much a part of the promotion process as was he, and how he did his assignment. She had to entertain, and entertain very well, and that that meant a fully stocked bar and a bar tender at big get-togethers. Thirty-two years later, we still have a lady who worked at Bergstrom AFB, back in the late forties, to tend our bar needs at Christmas parties. There is a lot screwed up with the military today, but back then, lasting relationships were formed to last.
We use to get a day or two off now and then for I, I and I in Japan. If you can figure what the I's stand for, I will promote you.
Lod had his own key but Mrs. Lod took it away. Well - as Mistress of the Household certain prerogatives accrue to her. Maybe if he bought her a mink she would be more amenable?
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
If any of you vets, or members here, ever get to the CenTex, let us know. There are lots of members here who would love to meet, and host you here.
Let me tell you how they got their booze. When we arrived in CA, Travis AFB, once the aircraft was parked, little blue trucks with drivers only would go from aircraft to aircraft. We each had to make a donation of a case for each truck, base commander, wing commander etc etc. Bastards.
I have friends in Austin and I am the last clown they would want to see as they are stiff upper lip religious. My days as a traveling man are long gone, but thanks anyway.
So I've heard. Too bad that some of the old traditions have died. Of course flogging for insubordination will not be missed.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Involuntary, In Country, Insane, Incontinent, Incapacitated, In the xxx, In to bang (as much as possible), I wanna go home...there are so very many, you guys could have said. Let's try F.I. and see how that goes.
I surely would have been flogged endlessly just for insolence, and smiling.
I , I and I... Intoxication, intercourse and infection. The Military insisted on calling it R and R, rest and relaxation, thats so the ladies would not know what was going on.
Understand the non-traveling thing. I'm a happy camper if I don't have to leave my zip-code.
The Military insisted on calling it R and R, rest and relaxation, thats so the ladies would not know what was going on. Or Rape and Rampage.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Should we bring water or whisky?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Good heavens no. we were Air force, more gentlemanly than that. that sounds like army or marines or those sissies with the button pants.
Like a horse and carriage, it's hard to have one without the other. I fell dopey about missing these.
No. Nothing. If what you need's not here, we'll go buy some of it. Just get down here.
Arrrrrrrrghhh Matey! I are seafarin' man a veteran of the Raging Main. I chew up zoomies and spit out the remains for the sharks.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Like a horse and carriage, it's hard to have one without the other. I fell dopey about missing these. Trust me - you didn't miss anything. Tetracycline is my friend. ;-(
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Lod... When we would go to Japan on "military business" we were allowed to take several of ground personnel along, also on business you understand. after a few days, they were all hung over, exhausted, lost weight, some forgot their names etc etc. We would pour them in aircraft and boot them out when home. Hey. we were all happy for awhile.
Legendary Texas Hospitality.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I liked Texas, specially the gurls, hated CA.
who-da thunk this thread would have generated 69 posts? ;)
We try down here. We accept folks at face value, until they prove us wrong. A stranger is just is just a friend that we've not yet met. You're my friend, until you prove to me that you're not. A man is as good as his word. We're pretty simple people with fairly cast in stone rules. Simplicity is a good thing, down here. Come visit, you might like it.
Tell wud to post photo of his new babies.
Yes. It's great. My normal rule of thumb it to hit "Ignore Thread," after fifty replies, or so, but this one is a pleasure to read and reply.
Lod... Were you in the Awl Bidness???? All you texans are, or at least have ten thousand steaks on the hoof??????
Now your on to something. I liked those Texans wearing little but a smile and delivering Tequila from bandolieers nicely placed across their chests. Yes I know Texas. The real Texas.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Were is the operative word here - I lost my ass with a couple of 'deal's' here. We have a family well up in the OK that gives us one to four hundred a month, which had been in production since the '40's. It almost covers my cost of cigs today. Right now, my steaks are at the grocer. We're looking at lowline cattle and Boer Goats for the family farm.
Not I said the littlest pig. ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
If you folks in Texas think its hot right now - Well I am pretty much speechless. We had gone to a 4000 acre ranch close to Llano for years and once when we made the mistake to go in Aug - I think my original body melted there at ten in the morning and I must have been reconstituted about nine that evening by snakes, bugs, and ants.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" No No they are Texans. They have ten thousand leaks on the roof. (See Christine a Lod I have actually been to Texas)
"Satan / Cheney in "08" You could consider Belgian Blues. I know they are raised in Texas. However, I am partial to Big Hole River Valley Angus.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Nite all...Thugs in white coasts are here, one with a stick the other with a needle.
Sleep tight. I think I shall do likewise. I hope your new dinner jacket is a good fit.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
There is absolutely no telling how much 4K acres out in the Hill Country would fetch today were it put on the market. Even in this depression, and especially if it has year-round water running through it.
I recently learned that I have the Ashkenazi Jewish genes (Mitochondria type K), and my IQ was tested at 145 some time ago......" Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-06-25 15:35:54 ET Reply Trace.... (ABRIDGED) See, now THIS is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
The question I would have for her is how does she account for the other geniuses of human history? How does genetics affect intelligence? How do you conclude that it is genetics when "God created man in his own image." God however is not a man but a spirit. What does that say about the essential nature of man? I am guessing Goldi has "Brown Eyes".
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#3. To: wudidiz (#2)
#4. To: wudidiz (#0)
#5. To: Original_Intent (#3)
#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#7. To: wudidiz (#0)
#8. To: wudidiz (#6)
I would be happy to answer the question except that I find it tricky in that I don't really understand it so I'm having a hard time answering it.
#9. To: Cynicom, Wudidiz (#5)
#10. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#9)
#11. To: Cynicom (#4)
I suggest it needs clarification in that it is the...unwashed masses... you speak of, not people in general?????
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#12. To: Original_Intent (#9)
So, in order to discuss it the ambiguity needs to be resolved.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#13. To: All, Lod (#7)
A wide enough topic that Plato would have spent half his life discussing.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#14. To: wudidiz, all (#13)
For some reason, it called this to mind, enjoy -
#15. To: wudidiz (#13)
#16. To: Cynicom (#10)
#17. To: Cynicom, wudidiz (#8)
Actually, you better watch OI, he may have ulterior motives posing such a tricky question.
#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)
#19. To: Cynicom, wudidiz (#18)
#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)
#21. To: Cynicom (#20)
Mrs. wud has him weaned off the hard stuff, grape juice on saturday nite is his only sin.
#22. To: Original_Intent (#21)
#23. To: Original_Intent (#21)
#24. To: Lod (#22)
#25. To: Original_Intent, Lod (#24)
#26. To: Original_Intent (#24)
#27. To: Cynicom, drinkers, or former drinkers here (#25)
(Edited)
#28. To: Cynicom, drinkers, or former drinkers here (#25)
#29. To: Cynicom, wudidiz, Lod (#23)
The best for olde wud...The Domaine Romanée-Conti
The world's most expensive bottle of wine that could actually be drunk today is also the most expensive wine ever sold in America, a Montrachet 1978 from Domaine de la Romanée-Conti that was hammered down at Sotheby's (nyse: BID - news - people ) in New York in 2001. The lot of seven bottles fetched $167,500, or $23,929 per bottle. This is an extraordinary price for a white wine, even in the rarified world of wine collecting. What happened was that two avid collectors were bidding against each other and got carried away, each refusing to yield as the price rose through the stratosphere.
#30. To: Lod (#26)
Back in the collegiate days, we had parties where we'd get a new fifty gallon tub, and then everyone would bring 'something' to add to the mix.
#31. To: Cynicom (#25)
#32. To: Lod, Cynicom, Original_Intent (#28)
New Amsterdam Gin and Organic Raw Apple Cider
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#33. To: Original_Intent, Lod (#29)
#34. To: Cynicom (#30)
Seagrams Seven was a buck and five cents, VO was a buck twenty five.
#35. To: Original_Intent (#31)
I've always bought my own.
#36. To: Cynicom (#33)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#34)
So much for post-war inflation
#38. To: Original_Intent (#36)
#39. To: Cynicom (#37)
So much for post-war inflation
#40. To: Cynicom (#38)
Some nites the cellar door was locked and they had to sleep down there.
#41. To: Original_Intent (#39)
Take off the taxes and you cut the price by 75%.
#42. To: Cynicom, wudidiz, all (#33)
#43. To: Cynicom (#41)
#44. To: Original_Intent (#43)
#45. To: Original_Intent, Lod (#43)
#46. To: Cynicom (#44)
In the Islands there was nothing but base.
#47. To: Cynicom, Lod (#45)
#48. To: Original_Intent (#47)
It's not good to watch a grown man grovel.
#49. To: Cynicom. all (#45)
#50. To: Original_Intent, Lod (#46)
#51. To: Cynicom (#48)
It's not good to watch a grown man grovel.
#52. To: All (#49)
#53. To: Lod (#49)
She had to entertain, and entertain very well, and that that meant a fully stocked bar and a bar tender at big get-togethers.
#54. To: Lod (#52)
There are lots of members here who would love to meet, and host you here.
#55. To: Lod (#49)
There is a lot screwed up with the military today, but back then, lasting relationships were formed to last.
#56. To: Cynicom (#50)
#57. To: Original_Intent (#55)
Of course flogging for insubordination will not be missed.
#58. To: Lod, Original_Intent (#56)
#59. To: Cynicom (#54)
#60. To: Cynicom (#58)
Intoxication, intercourse and infection.
#61. To: Lod (#52)
If any of you vets, or members here, ever get to the CenTex, let us know.
#62. To: Original_Intent (#60)
Or Rape and Rampage.
#63. To: Cynicom (#58)
... intercourse and infection.
#64. To: tom007 (#61)
#65. To: Cynicom (#62)
#66. To: Lod (#63)
... intercourse and infection.
#67. To: Lod (#63)
#68. To: Lod (#64)
#69. To: tom007 (#68)
#70. To: Cynicom, wudidiz, Original_Intent, Lod, tom007 (#69)
#71. To: tom007, Cynicom, all (#68)
#72. To: christine (#70)
#73. To: christine (#70)
#74. To: Lod (#71)
#75. To: Cynicom (#72)
#76. To: Cynicom (#74)
#77. To: christine (#70)
who-da thunk this thread would have generated 69 posts? ;)
#78. To: christine (#70)
#79. To: Cynicom (#74)
t least have ten thousand steaks on the hoof??????
#80. To: Lod (#76)
We're looking at lowline cattle and Boer Goats for the family farm.
#81. To: Original_Intent, Lod, tom007, christine (#77)
#82. To: Cynicom (#81)
#83. To: tom007 (#79)
#84. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom, Lod, Big Meanie, christine, Jethro Tull, All (#0)
".....Every Jew I've ever met is really smart...and I mean REALLY smart. Some are even brilliant. A couple who stick out to me are....Isaac Asimov..... Einstein.....
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#85. To: wudidiz (#84)
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