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Title: Remains of Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8232398
Published: Aug 2, 2009
Author: PAULINE JELINEK
Post Date: 2009-08-02 08:26:36 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 730
Comments: 68

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This image provided by the U.S. Navy is an Oct. 11, 2002 photo of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott"... Expand
This image provided by the U.S. Navy is an Oct. 11, 2002 photo of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher, the F/A-18 "Hornet" pilot who was shot down over Iraq on the opening night of Operation Desert Storm in Jan. 1991. The Pentagon initially declared him killed, but uncertainty led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and "missing-captured." (AP Photo/US Navy Photo) Collapse
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The remains of the first American lost in the Persian Gulf War have been found in Iraq, the military said Sunday, after struggling for nearly two decades with the question of whether he was dead or alive.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology has positively identified the remains of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher, whose disappearance has bedeviled investigators since his fighter jet was shot down over the Iraq desert on the first night of the 1991 war.

The top Navy officer said the discovery illustrates the military's commitment to bring its troops home.

"Our Navy will never give up looking for a shipmate, regardless of how long or how difficult that search may be," said Adm. Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations. "We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Captain Speicher and his family for the sacrifice they have made for our nation and the example of strength they have set for all of us."

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Family spokeswoman Cindy Laquidara said relatives learned on Saturday that Speicher's remains had been found.

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"The family's proud of the way the Defense Department continued on with our request" to not abandon the search for the downed pilot, she said. "We will be bringing him home."

Laquidara said the family would have another statement after being briefed by the defense officials, but she didn't know when that would be.

After years, the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq finally gave investigators the chance to search inside Iraq. And it led to a number of leads, including what some believed were the initials "MSS" scratched into the wall of an Iraqi prison.

The search also led investigators to excavate a potential grave site in Baghdad in 2005, track down Iraqis said to have information about Speicher and make numerous other inquiries in what officials say has been an exhaustive search. (3 images)

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Therein lies a tragic story.

Speicher was a Jew.

It was endless clamoring by different world Jew organizations that caused all the uproar, that the military was doing nothing and that he was being held by the Arabs and tortured because he was Jew.

Their assaults on Washington were endless, DEMANDING the government take action.

They cared less about others that were dead and or missing, just their Jew.

To hell with the goys.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   8:37:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

They cared less about others that were dead and or missing, just their Jew.

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   12:55:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#4)

Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

That's true,and even then they reported he was the only one still missing. Which isn't really surprising,since ground forces didn't go into Iraq until the second war. I doubt there were more than a handful of pilots shot down.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#13) (Edited)

Which isn't really surprising,since ground forces didn't go into Iraq until the second war.

I believe that you misspoke and meant to say that ground forces didn't go into Baghdad until the second war. We most certainly did enter Iraq.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:37:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Hayek Fan (#16)

I believe that you misspoke and meant to say that ground forces didn't go into Baghdad until the second war. We most certainly did enter Iraq.

You are correct.

This doesn't change anything,though. The one pilot was the only MIA from the 1st Gulf War.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:53:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#24)

DESERT STORM U.S./ALLIED MISSING IN ACTION OR CAPTURED January 17, 1991 LT.COL. DONNIE R. HOLLAND — U.S. Air Force, age 42, Bastrop, Louisiana MAJ. THOMAS F. KORITZ — U.S. Air Force, age 37, Rochelle, Illinois COL. DAVID WILLIAM EBERLY — U.S. Air Force, age 43, Goldsboro, North Carolina MAJ. THOMAS EDWARD GRIFFITH, JR. — U.S. Air Force, age 34, Goldsboro, North Carolina LT.CDR. MICHAEL SCOTT SPEICHER — U.S. Navy, age 33, Jacksonville, Florida

January 18, 1991 LT. ROBERT WETZEL — U.S. Navy, age 30, Metuchen, New Jersey LT. JEFFREY NORTON ZAUN — U.S. Navy, age 28, Cherry Hill, New Jersey LT. WILLIAM THOMAS "TOM" COSTEN — U.S. Navy, age 27, St. Louis, Missouri LT. CHARLIE TURNER — U.S. Navy, age 29, Richfield, Minnesota

January 19 LT.COL. CLIFFORD M. ACREE — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Oceanside, California CWO GUY L. HUNTER, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 46, Camp Pendleton, California CAPT. HARRY MICHAEL ROBERTS — U.S. Air Force, age 30, Savannah, Georgia MAJ. JEFFREY SCOTT TICE — U.S. Air Force, age 35, East Rockhill, Pennsylvania

January 21 LT. LAWRENCE RANDOLPH SLADE — U.S. Navy, age 26, Norfolk, Virginia

January 28, 1991 CAPT. MICHAEL C. BERRYMAN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 28, Yuma, Arizona

January 30 SPEC. DAVID LOCKETT — U.S. Army, age 23, Bessemer, Alabama MELISSA A. RATHBUN-NEALY — U.S. Army, age 20, Newaygo, Michigan

January 30 STAFF SERGEANT THOMAS CLIFFORD BLAND, JR. — U.S. Air Force, age 26, Fort Walton Beach, Florida STAFF SERGEANT JOHN P. BLESSINGER — U.S. Air Force, age 33, Fort Walton Beach, Florida SENIOR MASTER SERGEANT PAUL G. BEUGE — U.S. Air Force, age 43, Mary Esther, Florida SERGEANT BARRY M. CLARK — U.S. Air Force, age 26, Hurlburt Field, Florida CAPTAIN ARTHUR GALVAN — U.S. Air Force, age 33, Navarre, Florida CAPTAIN WILLIAM D. GRIMM — U.S. Air Force, age 28, Hurlburt Field, Florida STAFF SERGEANT TIMOTHY R. HARRISON — U.S. Air Force, age 31, Ft. Walton Beach, Florida TECHNICAL SERGEANT ROBERT K. HODGES — U.S. Air Force, age 28, Hurlburt Field, Florida SERGEANT DAMON V. KANUHA — U.S. Air Force, age 28 MASTER SERGEANT JOHN B. MAY II — U.S. Air Force, age 40, Fort Walton Beach, Florida STAFF SERGEANT JOHN L. OELSCHLAGER — U.S. Air Force, age 28, Niceville, Florida STAFF SERGEANT MARK J. SCHMAUSS — U.S. Air Force, age 30, Hurlburt Field, Florida CAPTAIN DIXON L. WALTERS, JR. — U.S. Air Force, age 29, Navarre Beach, Florida MAJOR PAUL J. WEAVER — U.S. Air Force, age 34, Alamosa, Colorado

February 3 1 LT. JORGE I. ARTEAGA — U.S. Air Force, age 26, Trumbull, Connecticut 1LT. ERIC D. HEDEEN — U.S. Air Force, age 27, Malaga, Washington CAPT. JON JEFFREY OLSON — U.S. Air Force, age 27, Blytheville, Arkansas

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:06:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#30)

As I wrote earlier,go to the link below and you can click on their names and discover that they were all either returned when the war ended or never reported as being MIA at all. Some (most?) of them were even seen on tv after their aircraft crashed.

There is a huge difference between being a POW and being a MIA.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:43:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#37)

I did go and read them. There is no reason given as to a change in status from MIA when the body has not been recovered. I have also read that families are told to not question as are veterans groups. It was my understanding that without a body, the status should remain MIA and the quest to bring them home continue. Once the status is changed, the DOD need not carry on with any attempt to locate them.

I provided you an excerpt from another case that offers no reasoning for a change in MIA status other than the DOD desired the change.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:48:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: abraxas (#40)

To: sneakypete I did go and read them. There is no reason given as to a change in status from MIA when the body has not been recovered. I have also read that families are told to not question as are veterans groups. It was my understanding that without a body, the status should remain MIA and the quest to bring them home continue. Once the status is changed, the DOD need not carry on with any attempt to locate them.

First off,Arteaga was never suspected of being a POW. He was "missing in action" only in the sense that he was lost at sea. There was NEVER any question of the enemy holding him as a prisoner.

Here is the rest of the story below

ARTEAGA, JORGE I. Name: Jorge I. Arteaga Rank/Branch: 1st Lieutenant/US Air Force Unit: 97th Bombardment Wing Age: 26 Home City of Record: Trumbull CT Date of Loss: 03 February 1991 Country of Loss: Indian Ocean Loss Coordinates: Status in 2002: Killed/Body Not Recovered Acft/Vehicle/Ground: B52

1991, hostilities in the Middle East again called the B52 into action. On February 3, a B52 crashed about 2,500 miles east of Saudi Arabia over the Indian Ocean. The aircraft, carrying six crew members, was returning to Diego Garcia Air Base from a mission over Iraq. The crew was from the 97th Bombardment Wing on temporary duty assignment from Eaker Air Force Base. Three crew members were rescued from the water, but three - Arteaga, Hedeen and Olson - remained missing.

And they will always remain missing. People missing at sea tend to stay missing. You know they are dead because they were never found.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   15:10:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete, abraxas (#50)

Pete...

Re Speicher...

This from today..just ONE of the attempts forced by the family via Jewish organizations to cause the military to expend more time and money.

"My heart goes out to the family, again," said Sen. Bill Nelson, the Florida senator who was instrumental several years ago in getting the Navy to renew a search for the missing pilot. "We all clung to the slim hope that Scott was still alive and would one day come home to his family."

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   15:14:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#51)

This from today..just ONE of the attempts forced by the family via Jewish organizations to cause the military to expend more time and money.

Good for them! Maybe some Christian organizations should get together and push for Christian POW's to be found?

I'm all for the US Government spending the time and money to find out what happened to the men and women they send off to fight and die.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   15:27:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: sneakypete (#58)

Good for them! Maybe some Christian organizations should get together and push for Christian POW's to be found?

Dont look but that has been tried in the past.

By many women after Vietnam and ME. they got the backs of the hands from the government. Surely you recall that after Vietnam and what McCain had to say to them??????

McCain was not very nice.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   15:31:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Cynicom (#61)

Surely you recall that after Vietnam and what McCain had to say to them?????

McCain was not very nice.

I wrote about this in a earlier post to you.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   15:51:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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