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Title: Remains of Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8232398
Published: Aug 2, 2009
Author: PAULINE JELINEK
Post Date: 2009-08-02 08:26:36 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 711
Comments: 68

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This image provided by the U.S. Navy is an Oct. 11, 2002 photo of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott"... Expand
This image provided by the U.S. Navy is an Oct. 11, 2002 photo of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher, the F/A-18 "Hornet" pilot who was shot down over Iraq on the opening night of Operation Desert Storm in Jan. 1991. The Pentagon initially declared him killed, but uncertainty led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and "missing-captured." (AP Photo/US Navy Photo) Collapse
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The remains of the first American lost in the Persian Gulf War have been found in Iraq, the military said Sunday, after struggling for nearly two decades with the question of whether he was dead or alive.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology has positively identified the remains of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher, whose disappearance has bedeviled investigators since his fighter jet was shot down over the Iraq desert on the first night of the 1991 war.

The top Navy officer said the discovery illustrates the military's commitment to bring its troops home.

"Our Navy will never give up looking for a shipmate, regardless of how long or how difficult that search may be," said Adm. Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations. "We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Captain Speicher and his family for the sacrifice they have made for our nation and the example of strength they have set for all of us."

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Family spokeswoman Cindy Laquidara said relatives learned on Saturday that Speicher's remains had been found.

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"The family's proud of the way the Defense Department continued on with our request" to not abandon the search for the downed pilot, she said. "We will be bringing him home."

Laquidara said the family would have another statement after being briefed by the defense officials, but she didn't know when that would be.

After years, the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq finally gave investigators the chance to search inside Iraq. And it led to a number of leads, including what some believed were the initials "MSS" scratched into the wall of an Iraqi prison.

The search also led investigators to excavate a potential grave site in Baghdad in 2005, track down Iraqis said to have information about Speicher and make numerous other inquiries in what officials say has been an exhaustive search. (3 images)

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Therein lies a tragic story.

Speicher was a Jew.

It was endless clamoring by different world Jew organizations that caused all the uproar, that the military was doing nothing and that he was being held by the Arabs and tortured because he was Jew.

Their assaults on Washington were endless, DEMANDING the government take action.

They cared less about others that were dead and or missing, just their Jew.

To hell with the goys.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   8:37:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

They cared less about others that were dead and or missing, just their Jew.

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   12:55:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom, Sneakypete (#4)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East? Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

Gulf War POW-MIA

PFC THOMAS R. ADAMS, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 21, Baton Rouge Parish Louisiana GARY S. DILLON — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Stark County, Ohio KEVIN R. DOLVIN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, DuBose County, Illinois WILLIAM D. CRONIN, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Merrimack County, New Hampshire WILLIAM J. HURLEY — U.S. Marine Corps, age 27, Cook County, Illinois KENNETH T. KELLER — U.S. Marine Corps, age 26, Cook County, Illinois JOHN R. KILKUS — U.S. Marine Corps, age 26, Norfolk County, Massachussetts TIMOTHY W. ROMEI — U.S. Marine Corps, age 22, San Francisco County, California

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   13:12:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete, cynicom (#5)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East? Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher. Gulf War POW-MIA

There is a longer list than what appears above. For some reason, my posts are getting cut off at F4. Speicher was the first so he got more attention, then the MSM paid little attention to those who followed.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   13:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#6)

Speicher was the first so he got more attention,

I think it had more to do with him being the ONLY one that went missing during the first Gulf War.

then the MSM paid little attention to those who followed.

You are right about that one. Nobody gives a damn because there is no draft and there is no danger of most people's children showing up amongst the dead or the missing.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:42:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#19)

I think it had more to do with him being the ONLY one that went missing during the first Gulf War.

No Sneaky, go take a look here: http://www.usvetdsp.com/gulfwar.htm

This site lists the MIA/POW by name and a brief entry on what happened to them in Desert Shield and Dessert Storm. Speicher was one of many.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   13:52:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas (#23)

No Sneaky, go take a look here: http://www.usvetdsp.com/gulfwar.htm

This site lists the MIA/POW by name and a brief entry on what happened to them in Desert Shield and Dessert Storm.

Yes,but your link only covers half the story. None of those men are still missing,or were still missing after the war ended. That's what makes them and their cases different than SPEICHER.

If you go to the link below you can see their names listed as either returnees,or remains recovered.

http://www.pownetwork.org/gulf/index_gulf_war.htm

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:25:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#32)

Yes,but your link only covers half the story. None of those men are still missing,or were still missing after the war ended. That's what makes them and their cases different than SPEICHER.

Thank you Sneaky.

What about the dozen or so who have "Body NOT recovered" status tags. How is it that their status changes from MIA?

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#33)

What about the dozen or so who have "Body NOT recovered" status tags. How is it that their status changes from MIA?

They were never missing in action to start with. Most were never even IN action, They fell off boats and drowned,or their aircraft went down at sea.

I am almost positive there were a few cases where a soldier was seen to step on a mine or booby trap and be instantly vaporized,and he will forever be listed as "body not recovered",too. Not because there is any doubt he or she was killed,but because there is nothing left to recover.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:46:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#39)

REMARKS: OPERATION DESERT STORM

SYNOPSIS: During the early weeks of the Middle East war, each time a Coalition serviceman was shot down or captured, extensive media coverage followed. The public and POW/MIA families alike had the information they wanted at the touch of a dial.

When Coalition POWs began being showed on Iraqi television, the world suffered with their families as they haltingly gave coerced "peace" statements. This propaganda effort on the part of the Iraqis actually had a positive effect in the United States. Families at least knew their missing loved one was alive, and could assess their mental and physical condition from propaganda interviews.

Then the "information gap" began. The Pentagon announced that it would no longer release any information other than name, rank, age and branch of service of missing or captured personnel. This step was taken, they said, to protect the well-being of prisoners and to avoid jeopardizing search and rescue efforts for the missing.

Pentagon briefings and television reports listed the loss of aircraft and statistics, and the human element of the war was gone. Even long after search and rescue efforts would cease, no information was released on missing personnel. Intelligence reports indicating "missing" people were captured were largely ignored. In the 6 weeks following the televised propaganda interviews by Coalition POWs, only one Coalition serviceman was declared POW - and even then, no information was released about him.

Sneaky, I have to say, that I am surprised you agree with the "ONLY ONE MIA" mantra from the Pentegon.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   15:03:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: abraxas (#48)

Sneaky, I have to say, that I am surprised you agree with the "ONLY ONE MIA" mantra from the Pentegon.

Ok,name another.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   15:24:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#56)

Ok,name another.

I already provided you with the information on another. You agree it is a "strange case" and without question accept the DOD dead verdict with no body or other evidence provided to substantiate the claim. He went from POW to dead with just a few taps on the keyboard.

I also provided you with the DOD changes in providing status information on MIA cases, which makes it so much easier for them to write them off as dead and sweep them under the carpet.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   15:30:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: abraxas (#60)

Ok,name another.

I already provided you with the information on another.

No,you didn't. He was determined to be dead,not a MIA. His status is PFOD,which I assume means "Presumptive Finding of Death". Mostly because I have heard that term used before.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   18:44:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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