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Title: Remains of Pilot Missing 18 Years in Iraq Found
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8232398
Published: Aug 2, 2009
Author: PAULINE JELINEK
Post Date: 2009-08-02 08:26:36 by Jethro Tull
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This image provided by the U.S. Navy is an Oct. 11, 2002 photo of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher, the F/A-18 "Hornet" pilot who was shot down over Iraq on the opening night of Operation Desert Storm in Jan. 1991. The Pentagon initially declared him killed, but uncertainty led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and "missing-captured." (AP Photo/US Navy Photo) Collapse
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The remains of the first American lost in the Persian Gulf War have been found in Iraq, the military said Sunday, after struggling for nearly two decades with the question of whether he was dead or alive.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology has positively identified the remains of Navy Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher, whose disappearance has bedeviled investigators since his fighter jet was shot down over the Iraq desert on the first night of the 1991 war.

The top Navy officer said the discovery illustrates the military's commitment to bring its troops home.

"Our Navy will never give up looking for a shipmate, regardless of how long or how difficult that search may be," said Adm. Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations. "We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Captain Speicher and his family for the sacrifice they have made for our nation and the example of strength they have set for all of us."

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Family spokeswoman Cindy Laquidara said relatives learned on Saturday that Speicher's remains had been found.

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"The family's proud of the way the Defense Department continued on with our request" to not abandon the search for the downed pilot, she said. "We will be bringing him home."

Laquidara said the family would have another statement after being briefed by the defense officials, but she didn't know when that would be.

After years, the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq finally gave investigators the chance to search inside Iraq. And it led to a number of leads, including what some believed were the initials "MSS" scratched into the wall of an Iraqi prison.

The search also led investigators to excavate a potential grave site in Baghdad in 2005, track down Iraqis said to have information about Speicher and make numerous other inquiries in what officials say has been an exhaustive search. (3 images)

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Therein lies a tragic story.

Speicher was a Jew.

It was endless clamoring by different world Jew organizations that caused all the uproar, that the military was doing nothing and that he was being held by the Arabs and tortured because he was Jew.

Their assaults on Washington were endless, DEMANDING the government take action.

They cared less about others that were dead and or missing, just their Jew.

To hell with the goys.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   8:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Here a Jew, there a Jew, everywhere a Jew, Jew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-02   8:45:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

They cared less about others that were dead and or missing, just their Jew.

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   12:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom, Sneakypete (#4)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East? Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

Gulf War POW-MIA

PFC THOMAS R. ADAMS, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 21, Baton Rouge Parish Louisiana GARY S. DILLON — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Stark County, Ohio KEVIN R. DOLVIN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, DuBose County, Illinois WILLIAM D. CRONIN, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Merrimack County, New Hampshire WILLIAM J. HURLEY — U.S. Marine Corps, age 27, Cook County, Illinois KENNETH T. KELLER — U.S. Marine Corps, age 26, Cook County, Illinois JOHN R. KILKUS — U.S. Marine Corps, age 26, Norfolk County, Massachussetts TIMOTHY W. ROMEI — U.S. Marine Corps, age 22, San Francisco County, California

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   13:12:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sneakypete, cynicom (#5)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East? Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher. Gulf War POW-MIA

There is a longer list than what appears above. For some reason, my posts are getting cut off at F4. Speicher was the first so he got more attention, then the MSM paid little attention to those who followed.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   13:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#4)

Really? How many others were still listed as missing from the First Stupid War in the Middle East?

Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

How do you know he is jewish? None of the reports indicate it that I've been able to find. I found that the name is German and originates in the Black Forest region, but I've been unable to establish it as a jewish name.

Just curious.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: abraxas (#6)

There is a longer list than what appears above. For some reason, my posts are getting cut off at F4. Speicher was the first so he got more attention, then the MSM paid little attention to those who followed.

pilots, officers and spec op troops always get more attention than mere grunts, jewish or not. it has to do with the romanticization (is that even a word?) of the positions IMHO.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#5)

PFC THOMAS R. ADAMS, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 21, Baton Rouge Parish Louisiana GARY S. DILLON — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Stark County, Ohio KEVIN R. DOLVIN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, DuBose County, Illinois WILLIAM D. CRONIN, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Merrimack County, New Hampshire WILLIAM J. HURLEY — U.S. Marine Corps, age 27, Cook County, Illinois KENNETH T. KELLER — U.S. Marine Corps, age 26, Cook County, Illinois JOHN R. KILKUS — U.S. Marine Corps, age 26, Norfolk County, Massachussetts TIMOTHY W. ROMEI — U.S. Marine Corps, age 22, San Francisco County, California

Thank you Sir...

I no longer have the energy to go looking for what others failed to read at the time.

I still have friends and relatives missing from WW2 and Korea. I recall their names quite well.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Hayek Fan (#7)

How do you know he is jewish? None of the reports indicate it that I've been able to find. I found that the name is German and originates in the Black Forest region, but I've been unable to establish it as a jewish name.

Just curious.

The American Jewish community was very vocal in making certain that all knew the pilot was a Jew.

They were time after time able to gain access to the White House to see the President and demand action.

I am surprised that people do not recall such.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#10)

The American Jewish community was very vocal in making certain that all knew the pilot was a Jew.

They were time after time able to gain access to the White House to see the President and demand action.

I am surprised that people do not recall such.

This happened 18 years ago while I was serving in the Gulf. Unlike others serving there, I did not have access to CNN on a 24x7 basis. I didn't know what the hell was going in the big scheme of things. For that matter, I didn't know what was going on from one minute to the next and neither did anyone else.

Plus, I do not obsess about jews or jewish people.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Hayek Fan (#7)

The Pentagon initially declared Speicher killed, but uncertainty 52; and the lack of remains 52; led officials over the years to change his official status a number of times to "missing in action" and later "missing-captured."

Re read the above form the original post...

Powerful Jewish organizations caused all of the changes. I recall no other person receiving such attention.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#4)

Dont know, the only one that made the front pages day after day for years was speicher.

That's true,and even then they reported he was the only one still missing. Which isn't really surprising,since ground forces didn't go into Iraq until the second war. I doubt there were more than a handful of pilots shot down.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: abraxas (#5)

Gulf War POW-MIA

And not a single name that you wrote are from Gulf War 1,which is when the Navy pilot went missing. They are all from Boy Jorge's war,not Poppy'S War.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:34:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Hayek Fan (#11)

Plus, I do not obsess about jews or jewish people.

If that is a personal reference, I take offense.

The military was forced to expend millions of dollars in a fruitless search for a MIA. Just one MIA.

For my brother we received a form letter, stating he was MIA and there would be no remains to bring home. The letter also said someone in the military was sorry.

True different war, at least the Speichers now have closure.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:36:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#13) (Edited)

Which isn't really surprising,since ground forces didn't go into Iraq until the second war.

I believe that you misspoke and meant to say that ground forces didn't go into Baghdad until the second war. We most certainly did enter Iraq.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#13) (Edited)

I no longer recall, just that Speicher warranted so much attention at such a great cost.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#15)

If that is a personal reference, I take offense.

No, I did not mean that as a personal reference.

The military was forced to expend millions of dollars in a fruitless search for a MIA. Just one MIA.

They also spent millions searching for the pilot shot down over Bosnia, and to my knowledge, he wasn't Jewish.

I'm sorry for the loss of your brother and I am sorry that the military treated your family so shabbily. From my understanding, they did the same thing to troops in Vietnam.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#6)

Speicher was the first so he got more attention,

I think it had more to do with him being the ONLY one that went missing during the first Gulf War.

then the MSM paid little attention to those who followed.

You are right about that one. Nobody gives a damn because there is no draft and there is no danger of most people's children showing up amongst the dead or the missing.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Hayek Fan (#8)

pilots, officers and spec op troops always get more attention than mere grunts, jewish or not.

You may be right about the pilots,but not about special ops people. They get no attention at all when they go missing because doing so would compromise the security of the others working with them. It took over 20 years for the SF troops that went missing in Laos and Cambodia to be listed as MIA there. Before that they were listed as MIA in VN. Nobody was looking for them where they were.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

You may be right about the pilots,but not about special ops people. They get no attention at all when they go missing because doing so would compromise the security of the others working with them. It took over 20 years for the SF troops that went missing in Laos and Cambodia to be listed as MIA there. Before that they were listed as MIA in VN. Nobody was looking for them where they were.

I stand corrected.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:47:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Hayek Fan (#18)

I also had a very good friend I flew with in the Korean War, Marvin Cessna...MIA...and to my knowledge not a dime was ever spent looking for his remains. Shot down on their first bombing run over North Korea.

Luck of the draw. If one sends a request to Pentagon asking for any new information, they send back a standard form letter.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   13:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#19)

I think it had more to do with him being the ONLY one that went missing during the first Gulf War.

No Sneaky, go take a look here: http://www.usvetdsp.com/gulfwar.htm

This site lists the MIA/POW by name and a brief entry on what happened to them in Desert Shield and Dessert Storm. Speicher was one of many.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   13:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Hayek Fan (#16)

I believe that you misspoke and meant to say that ground forces didn't go into Baghdad until the second war. We most certainly did enter Iraq.

You are correct.

This doesn't change anything,though. The one pilot was the only MIA from the 1st Gulf War.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   13:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#19)

You are right about that one. Nobody gives a damn because there is no draft and there is no danger of most people's children showing up amongst the dead or the missing.

This is why I retired early when given the opportunity during Klintoon's second term. Panama, Gulf War I, Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia were enough for me. It seemed obvious that the American people were going to allow the government to send American troops anywhere they wanted for the flimsiest of reasons. I was a radio repair guy, so the chances of me getting killed were much smaller than that of a combat arms soldier, but that wasn't the point. For one, I didn't want to be there. For another, I didn't believe we had any business being there. Last but not least, I had no desire to die for a country whose people just didn't give a damn one way or the other. In short, I came to the conclusion that the American people did not deserve my service or the sacrifices I felt I was making for them, as little as that sacrifice was (comparatively speaking).

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-02   13:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#24)

DESERT SHIELD United States Missing In Action Or Captured October 8, 1990 PFC THOMAS R. ADAMS, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 21, Baton Rouge Parish Louisiana

GARY S. DILLON — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Stark County, Ohio

KEVIN R. DOLVIN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, DuBose County, Illinois

WILLIAM D. CRONIN, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Merrimack County, New Hampshire

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Hayek Fan (#18)

From my understanding, they did the same thing to troops in Vietnam.

I think this was mostly from cases where the solider or sailor was MIA because of being inside a exploding aircraft or tank,or falling overboard at night and not being noticed missing. Those are about the only cases I can think of where they would add "no remains are likely to be recovered."

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#22)

.MIA...and to my knowledge not a dime was ever spent looking for his remains. Shot down on their first bombing run over North Korea.

You gave the reason why in your own post. He went missing over North Korea,and we have never been allowed to go there to look for MIA's. There was nothing to spend a dime on.

The US pilots and SF people who went missing in Laos,Cambodia,and North Vietnam weren't looked for or found until years after the VN war ended and we got permission to go into those countries to look.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#1)

Speicher was a Jew.

A Jew in the military? Must have had a lot of white blood in him.

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-08-02   14:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#24)

DESERT STORM U.S./ALLIED MISSING IN ACTION OR CAPTURED January 17, 1991 LT.COL. DONNIE R. HOLLAND — U.S. Air Force, age 42, Bastrop, Louisiana MAJ. THOMAS F. KORITZ — U.S. Air Force, age 37, Rochelle, Illinois COL. DAVID WILLIAM EBERLY — U.S. Air Force, age 43, Goldsboro, North Carolina MAJ. THOMAS EDWARD GRIFFITH, JR. — U.S. Air Force, age 34, Goldsboro, North Carolina LT.CDR. MICHAEL SCOTT SPEICHER — U.S. Navy, age 33, Jacksonville, Florida

January 18, 1991 LT. ROBERT WETZEL — U.S. Navy, age 30, Metuchen, New Jersey LT. JEFFREY NORTON ZAUN — U.S. Navy, age 28, Cherry Hill, New Jersey LT. WILLIAM THOMAS "TOM" COSTEN — U.S. Navy, age 27, St. Louis, Missouri LT. CHARLIE TURNER — U.S. Navy, age 29, Richfield, Minnesota

January 19 LT.COL. CLIFFORD M. ACREE — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Oceanside, California CWO GUY L. HUNTER, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 46, Camp Pendleton, California CAPT. HARRY MICHAEL ROBERTS — U.S. Air Force, age 30, Savannah, Georgia MAJ. JEFFREY SCOTT TICE — U.S. Air Force, age 35, East Rockhill, Pennsylvania

January 21 LT. LAWRENCE RANDOLPH SLADE — U.S. Navy, age 26, Norfolk, Virginia

January 28, 1991 CAPT. MICHAEL C. BERRYMAN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 28, Yuma, Arizona

January 30 SPEC. DAVID LOCKETT — U.S. Army, age 23, Bessemer, Alabama MELISSA A. RATHBUN-NEALY — U.S. Army, age 20, Newaygo, Michigan

January 30 STAFF SERGEANT THOMAS CLIFFORD BLAND, JR. — U.S. Air Force, age 26, Fort Walton Beach, Florida STAFF SERGEANT JOHN P. BLESSINGER — U.S. Air Force, age 33, Fort Walton Beach, Florida SENIOR MASTER SERGEANT PAUL G. BEUGE — U.S. Air Force, age 43, Mary Esther, Florida SERGEANT BARRY M. CLARK — U.S. Air Force, age 26, Hurlburt Field, Florida CAPTAIN ARTHUR GALVAN — U.S. Air Force, age 33, Navarre, Florida CAPTAIN WILLIAM D. GRIMM — U.S. Air Force, age 28, Hurlburt Field, Florida STAFF SERGEANT TIMOTHY R. HARRISON — U.S. Air Force, age 31, Ft. Walton Beach, Florida TECHNICAL SERGEANT ROBERT K. HODGES — U.S. Air Force, age 28, Hurlburt Field, Florida SERGEANT DAMON V. KANUHA — U.S. Air Force, age 28 MASTER SERGEANT JOHN B. MAY II — U.S. Air Force, age 40, Fort Walton Beach, Florida STAFF SERGEANT JOHN L. OELSCHLAGER — U.S. Air Force, age 28, Niceville, Florida STAFF SERGEANT MARK J. SCHMAUSS — U.S. Air Force, age 30, Hurlburt Field, Florida CAPTAIN DIXON L. WALTERS, JR. — U.S. Air Force, age 29, Navarre Beach, Florida MAJOR PAUL J. WEAVER — U.S. Air Force, age 34, Alamosa, Colorado

February 3 1 LT. JORGE I. ARTEAGA — U.S. Air Force, age 26, Trumbull, Connecticut 1LT. ERIC D. HEDEEN — U.S. Air Force, age 27, Malaga, Washington CAPT. JON JEFFREY OLSON — U.S. Air Force, age 27, Blytheville, Arkansas

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#15)

sorry to hear that.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2009-08-02   14:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas (#23)

No Sneaky, go take a look here: http://www.usvetdsp.com/gulfwar.htm

This site lists the MIA/POW by name and a brief entry on what happened to them in Desert Shield and Dessert Storm.

Yes,but your link only covers half the story. None of those men are still missing,or were still missing after the war ended. That's what makes them and their cases different than SPEICHER.

If you go to the link below you can see their names listed as either returnees,or remains recovered.

http://www.pownetwork.org/gulf/index_gulf_war.htm

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#32)

Yes,but your link only covers half the story. None of those men are still missing,or were still missing after the war ended. That's what makes them and their cases different than SPEICHER.

Thank you Sneaky.

What about the dozen or so who have "Body NOT recovered" status tags. How is it that their status changes from MIA?

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: sneakypete (#28)

Pete...

Records show 4167 bodies returned from North Korea, due joint North Korean/American efforts, there are still 417 unaccounted for.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   14:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#26)

THOMAS R. ADAMS, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 21, Baton Rouge Parish Louisiana

ADAMS, THOMAS R. JR. Returnee

GARY S. DILLON — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Stark County, Ohio DILLON, GARY S. Body NOT recovered

KEVIN R. DOLVIN — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, DuBose County, Illinois Dolvin,Kevin R. body not recovered.

WILLIAM D. CRONIN, JR. — U.S. Marine Corps, age 29, Merrimack County, New Hampshire Cronin,William D Jr body not recovered.

The first man mentioned about is listed as a returnee when the war ended. He is not and never was a MIA.

The last three men mentioned above were crewmen on one of the helicopters mentioned below that were lost at sea. When you are lost at sea you are really lost and there will be no body recovery. These men haven't been treading water the last 19 years. They are dead and have been declared dead ever since the search for survivors ended.

(excerpt from official report) The two helicopters disappeared from radar and failed to respond to radio calls during the training mission. Searches revealed no sign of the aircraft of its crew, and all were declared missing at sea.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#28)

Remains of American MIA's Found in North Korea

Remains believed to be those of American soldiers missing in action from the Korean War have been recovered by two teams of United States specialists and will be repatriated to U.S. control at Yongsan Military Compound in Seoul on Oct. 15.

A more precise number will be determined in follow-on forensic examinations.

The repatriation marks the fifth and final remains recovery operation in North Korea this year.

Since 1996, 32 joint operations have been conducted in North Korea, during which remains believed to be those of more than 200 soldiers have been recovere

Pete, the above does not support your statement. This was from five years ago.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-02   14:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#30)

As I wrote earlier,go to the link below and you can click on their names and discover that they were all either returned when the war ended or never reported as being MIA at all. Some (most?) of them were even seen on tv after their aircraft crashed.

There is a huge difference between being a POW and being a MIA.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:43:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: sneakypete (#32)

Did you read this one?

The name of Marine Capt. James Wilbourn, age 29, appeared on Pentagon missing lists in early March 1991. There has been no other information released by media or government sources about him.

In early March 1991, 21 American POWs were released by the Iraqis, but James Wilbourn was not among them. No further word of his fate has been released. Then in mid-March, Wilbourn was declared dead. It was not announced whether the declaration was based on the return of remains or circumstantial.

Several thousand families whose loved ones remain missing in Vietnam, Korea, and World War II are very concerned about the "information gap" regarding the missing and prisoners in the Middle East war. They remember being told to "keep quiet" for the sake of their loved ones. They know that it was only when they became actively vocal that world pressure stopped the torture and ill treatment of their men.

They know that nameless, faceless men are easily left behind at the end of hostilities. They are afraid that another generation of prisoners and missing, unknown to the American public, will be abandoned to the enemy.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#33)

What about the dozen or so who have "Body NOT recovered" status tags. How is it that their status changes from MIA?

They were never missing in action to start with. Most were never even IN action, They fell off boats and drowned,or their aircraft went down at sea.

I am almost positive there were a few cases where a soldier was seen to step on a mine or booby trap and be instantly vaporized,and he will forever be listed as "body not recovered",too. Not because there is any doubt he or she was killed,but because there is nothing left to recover.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-02   14:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#37)

I did go and read them. There is no reason given as to a change in status from MIA when the body has not been recovered. I have also read that families are told to not question as are veterans groups. It was my understanding that without a body, the status should remain MIA and the quest to bring them home continue. Once the status is changed, the DOD need not carry on with any attempt to locate them.

I provided you an excerpt from another case that offers no reasoning for a change in MIA status other than the DOD desired the change.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-02   14:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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