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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate * 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it. Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
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"Satan / Cheney in "08" Well this proves it for me. Obama is an alien from Mars. With the "Swiftboaters" behind a lot of this, I really do not know what to say about the birthers. Obama may be just crap or not, but this is just Nuttery. Evidently Zionist inspired Nuttery.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I love her accent.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.
Your reference doesn't work, ie, it gives HTTP 440
...with the power of conviction, there is no sacrifice.
Nobody takes an oath to the President. They take an oath to the Constitution. If a usurper is in the White House, the Military, the FBI, the Federal Marshals, and DHS are all bound by their oath to oust him. Assuming this pans out, you may see a civil war erupt within the FedGov. Now, assuming this pans out (which I doubt, but it makes for good theatre) then the Supremes will have to get involved. If Congress and the Supremes maintain that Obama is President even though he is not qualified, watch the streets carefully. It will be a riot.
Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president. It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud. If Obama is proven to be not a natural born American Citizen then he is not and never has been President but is instead a Usurper. The Oxford American Dictionary defines it thus: usurp verb - "take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force." "Richard usurped the throne" OR (my own) Obama usurped the Presidency by fraud. There is no credible evidence in the public record showing that Oh'bummer was born in Hawaii. The Certificate of live birth does not count as it could be granted to someone born somewhere else such as Kenya - or like his sister, born in Indonesia, who also has a Certificate of Live Birth. Explain why someone who is innocent of the charge would spend in the vicinity of one million dollars to hide the evidence of their innocence.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Of course to the Kook-Aid drinkers there is no evidence - not even a Kenyan Birth Certificate is or would be sufficient to combat their delusions. However, they are funny to watch as they try to avoid the obvious conclusion: Oh'bummer is con-artist and is in the knowing commission of felony election fraud.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Regarding the complaint that the birth document made public by Obama's office in 2008 had a blacked-out registration number and didn't have a seal: FactCheck.org went to the trouble of examining and photographing the document themselves. FactCheck did produce photos showing the certificate's registration number. It had been blacked-out only because an Obama staffer worried that the number was an SSN or could otherwise be used for identity theft. It turns out (having checked with the Hawaii Health Dept) that the number is just a serial number of the certificate and can't be misused, so FactCheck had no qualms about showing it. FactCheck photos include an oblique view of the impression seal on the certificate, demonstrating that it was an original with the seal of the Hawaii Health Dept. However anyone wants to quibble about the different title of this "Certification" - there is no legal distinction, and in fact the form itself cites two Hawaiian laws that say that this certificate is the legal equivalent of the original (1961) birth certificate and satisfies all the evidentiary requirements of that original. The document made public by Obama turns out to be the one and only certificate anyone born in Hawaii can currently obtain, and anything more elaborate requires a court order. Regarding some other accusations made on the same list: The Executive Order issued by Obama dealt with Presidential records - not the Hawaii Health Dept records nor some school files - and updated a previous EO worked up years before in the wake of the Iran Contra scandal. Old Bush (number 41) had fudged on that old EO by simple bribery of the National Archivist, and this revision of the EO was done in an effort to prevent similar hankypanky by the departing Bush-Cheney administration.
People believe whatever they want to believe. About 20 to 25 percent of the public, including the majority on this 4um, did not ever want this man to run for office, much less be elected. Another 25 percent are uneasy with him now that he is in office, especially at a time of nearly unprecedented economic crisis. About half the public is invested in his presidency and will defend him, to some extent, from the lunatic GOP base (whose "Man of God"™ predecessor GW had a little something to do with causing the crisis, hard as it is for them to believe). But they will do so only half-heartedly, especially if the economy doesn't improve. Polls have been done recently showing that the intensity level of the detractors far outweighs those of the supporters. And you can see this reflected on this 4um as well. As a nonvoter, I really do not understand the vitriolic passion against him just as the Southern Baptists who thought "Lord" Bush was a quasi-deity did not understand my vitriolic passion against him (although the vitriol, in retrospect, was more appropriately directed at Cheney, especially during the first term when he was running the entire shooting match). The two personalities have this in common: the Constitution is a dead letter and a stage prop (only people living in the 19th century continually cite it as authority, in their world view). So, to sum up, I'd say there's reason for hope for you chronic "aginners," as we may soon reach a point where the "center does not hold" and you will have your long-awaited civil war or something and can fight against all the returning war veterans as they try to haul you to the camps or something. They have already proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they WILL mindlessly follow illegal orders.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
The US Supreme Court already had a hand in this matter. Didn't you watch in horror as John Roberts swore the new president into office? My God, he did it twice, too. Last updated: 3:56 pm WASHINGTON - Chief Justice John Roberts swore in President-elect Barack Obama as president of the United States on Tuesday with a slight stumble over the wording of the oath of office in the first of what could be many important interactions between two men who rose to their positions of power quickly and who have some background similarities, but whose politics differ. Separated by a Bible used by Abraham Lincoln at his first inaugural, Roberts asked Obama: "Are you prepared to take the oath, Senator?" The former Illinois senator indicated he was, and Roberts started reciting - and Obama repeating - the 35-word oath that is prescribed by the Constitution. But at one point, Obama paused abruptly after Roberts reversed several words in the oath. The oath includes the phrase "that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States" but Roberts didn't say "faithfully" until after saying "president of the United States." Obama apparently realized that something was out of order. With Obama not reciting, Roberts then repeated the phrase correctly, the brief awkward moment ended and Obama was back on track. He was then the first to congratulate Obama on his new job. The inaugural oath is the chief justice's sole responsibility on Jan. 20 - although it is a traditional role, not one set forth in the Constitution. But the affable Roberts and his conservative-leaning Supreme Court could have much to say in the years to come about Obama's most important policy choices. Former President George W. Bush left the court with two relatively young and reliably conservative voices, those of Roberts, 53, and Justice Samuel Alito, 58. Roberts took his seat in 2005 and Alito joined him the next year. Roberts is the youngest chief justice in more than 200 years. He easily could still be in his role a quarter century from now, long after Obama has left office. He and Obama are similar in many ways. Both are late baby boomers. Roberts is 53, Obama 47. And both got their law degrees from Harvard and made rapid ascents to power. But their politics diverge sharply. Roberts was an official in Republican administrations before becoming an appeals court judge and then chief justice under Bush. Obama was one of 22 Senate Democrats to vote against Roberts' confirmation to the Supreme Court in 2005 - the first time a Supreme Court justice has sworn in a president who voted against him. As president, Obama will try to use Supreme Court vacancies to counter Roberts' influence, either by replacing aging liberals with justices as young as or younger than Roberts or by changing the court's balance if a conservative justice retires unexpectedly. Obama added the words "so help me God" to the end of the constitutional oath, following a practice established by George Washington and followed by most presidents. The last time a chief justice swore in a president of a different party was in 1997, when Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, a Republican, swore in Democrat Bill Clinton for a second term. Two years later, Rehnquist would preside over Clinton's impeachment trial in the Senate which resulted in an acquittal. Obama didn't actually finish taking the oath until 12:05 p.m., five minutes after he actually became president under the Constitution. Clinton, in his first inauguration in 2001, also was five minutes late in taking the oath. The Lincoln Bible used by Obama was on loan from the Library of Congress.
Really? So how does he have his Kenyan relatives dancing around a big_black_POT in the middle of the Lincoln room in the White House? Do you think the US government gives the front door keys to just any rif_raf wanting to stew some missionaries for a mid-night snack?
Assuming things check out, then he took the Oath of Office fraudulently. It would cause a Constitutional crisis because a usurper would be in the White House. Whether or not he was sworn in would be irrelevent. He would be disqualified from office. The Constitution DOES have provisions handling this.
Could be. Orly gave several interviews from Tel Aviv yesterday and apparently is an Israeli citizen.
well, well. i haven't listened to the youtube in its entirety yet, but one thing Orly said that was correct is the definition of native citizen as opposed to natural born. otherwise, the fact that she was in Tel Aviv (and an Israeli citizen?) makes her suspect, imo.
My take on the birther issue is that the 2-party fraud is using it to distract activist conservatives from the actions the Republicrat party has taken over the last 8 years. Keep them busy over an issue that can never be settled because the very same 2-party fraud refuses to produce the documents needed to put the issue to rest. Once again, the 2-party fraud is playing the American voter like a Stradivarius.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Of course the flip side, this issue undermines the authority of government and the press.
The majority of voters are going to vote Democrat and/or Republican regardless of what happens or what the two party's do. Both party's know this.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
... it's not very far to Oily Taint.
I'd still do her, if she ditched the wig.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
and the false eyelashes ;)
Ah well, I don't really mind a few illusions. I might not have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. Apart from the lack of a nasal sill, the only things I really can't stand are fat hands, fat feet/ankles, a fat face, and penciled eyebrows.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
Keep one's opposition running in circles and stomping out small fires. This issue is a perfect foil for the easily distracted.
I'm sort of surprised you are this easily distracted by fluff. This issue is an energy waster and probably directed from overseas. And using Ms Orly as the lead queen can't be more telling.
It would appear so
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Marguerite is pushing this stuff all the time on elPee - it must be in her mossad monthly work plan.
Sorry.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Well OK then. Maybe the word NOT was missing here?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" and if found guilty of election fraud will McInsane and madam mukluk be charged for aiding and abetting?
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
Well OK then. Maybe the word NOT was missing here? Thank you. I stand corrected. Yes, there should have been a "not" there but instead it is not there.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Upon what grounds? McNutz may well have known as he obviously "took a dive" but proving it is another matter. Sarah appears to have figured out the score and objected to being so used - which is why they ramped up the smear campaign against her.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
as neither one of them said jack about obammy's questionable origins prior to the election. what do obammy, biden, McInsane and madam mukluk have in common? The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
lol
And Congress is empowered to handle the matter. They can play around as they empowered Ken Star, pussy-footing for blue dresses with some presidential anointment imbued on a few thread fibers or cut to the chase. But this Congress is all Democrats, even the so-called republicans except for Ron Paul. Don't worry, even if your cracked-upped scenario were to pan out, they would refuse to impeach the liar in chief.
So are We the People if you remember your 9th Circuit rulings.
Dismiss any court jurisdiction(s)on the matter. They can't even keep up with the new laws such as Congress giving away America to the Chinese based upon unrestrained rubber-stamping by "legal-authorities" in Washington DC.
This was a 2A case.
Where? I have heard of nothing of the sort.
I think you are the same fine person I have known on the Internet chat channels for years. I can tell by your bearing but not by any authentication process so this gives you capability to exploit me in any way you want. Still, you are a mighty, fine poster. And I recognize your perspectives and if, even by chance and if I remember incorrectly you are "mirage" from the old liberty forum, man what a great day 'tis for all of us on '4um, even if some don't respond. Are you the same, "mirage?"
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#2. To: All (#1)
#3. To: tom007 (#1)
#4. To: tom007 (#1)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."
#5. To: tom007 (#0)
#6. To: buckeroo (#4)
Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.
#7. To: buckeroo, tom007 (#4)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
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#9. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
#10. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
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#11. To: Shoonra (#10)
#12. To: mirage (#6)
Now, assuming this pans out (which I doubt, but it makes for good theatre) then the Supremes will have to get involved
January 20, 2009
Posted: 1:04 pm
January 20, 2009
#13. To: Original_Intent (#7)
There is no credible evidence in the public record showing that Oh'bummer was born in Hawaii.
#14. To: buckeroo (#12)
Didn't you watch in horror as John Roberts swore the new president into office?
#15. To: tom007 (#2)
Obama may be just crap or not, but this is just Nuttery. Evidently Zionist inspired Nuttery.
#16. To: lucysmom, bluegrass (#15)
(Edited)
from Tel Aviv yesterday
#17. To: tom007 (#0)
#18. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
My take on the birther issue is that the 2-party fraud is using it to distract activist conservatives from the actions the Republicrat party has taken over the last 8 years. Keep them busy over an issue that can never be settled because the very same 2-party fraud refuses to produce the documents needed to put the issue to rest.
#19. To: PaulCJ (#18)
Of course the flip side, this issue undermines the authority of government and the press.
#20. To: tom007, all (#0)
Orly Taitz
#21. To: High Hopes (#20)
#22. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#21)
#23. To: christine (#22)
#24. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
Once again, the 2-party fraud is playing the American voter like a Stradivarius.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#9)
Of course to the Kook-Aid drinkers there is no evidence - not even a Kenyan Birth Certificate is or would be sufficient to combat their delusions. However, they are funny to watch as they try to avoid the obvious conclusion: Oh'bummer is con-artist and is in the knowing commission of felony election fraud.
#26. To: mininggold (#24)
Keep one's opposition running in circles and stomping out small fires. This issue is a perfect foil for the easily distracted.
#27. To: mininggold (#25)
I'm sort of surprised you are this easily distracted by fluff.
#28. To: rack42 (#5)
Your reference doesn't work, ie, it gives HTTP 440
#29. To: Original_Intent (#7)
It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud.
#30. To: Original_Intent (#9)
#31. To: tom007 (#29)
It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud.
#32. To: IRTorqued (#30)
and if found guilty of election fraud will McInsane and madam mukluk be charged for aiding and abetting?
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
they made the CFR approved candidate list. never mind not a one of them could legally be on the ballots in Texas.
#34. To: Original_Intent, Tom007 (#31)
there should have been a "not" there but instead it is not there.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#35. To: mirage (#14)
Assuming things check out, then he took the Oath of Office fraudulently. It would cause a Constitutional crisis because a usurper would be in the White House.
#36. To: buckeroo (#35)
Congress is empowered to handle the matter.
#37. To: mirage (#36)
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Dismiss any court jurisdiction(s)on the matter.
#39. To: mirage (#38)
#40. To: mirage (#38)
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