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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate * 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it. Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
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Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.
Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president. It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud. If Obama is proven to be not a natural born American Citizen then he is not and never has been President but is instead a Usurper. The Oxford American Dictionary defines it thus: usurp verb - "take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force." "Richard usurped the throne" OR (my own) Obama usurped the Presidency by fraud. There is no credible evidence in the public record showing that Oh'bummer was born in Hawaii. The Certificate of live birth does not count as it could be granted to someone born somewhere else such as Kenya - or like his sister, born in Indonesia, who also has a Certificate of Live Birth. Explain why someone who is innocent of the charge would spend in the vicinity of one million dollars to hide the evidence of their innocence.
Regarding the complaint that the birth document made public by Obama's office in 2008 had a blacked-out registration number and didn't have a seal: FactCheck.org went to the trouble of examining and photographing the document themselves. FactCheck did produce photos showing the certificate's registration number. It had been blacked-out only because an Obama staffer worried that the number was an SSN or could otherwise be used for identity theft. It turns out (having checked with the Hawaii Health Dept) that the number is just a serial number of the certificate and can't be misused, so FactCheck had no qualms about showing it. FactCheck photos include an oblique view of the impression seal on the certificate, demonstrating that it was an original with the seal of the Hawaii Health Dept. However anyone wants to quibble about the different title of this "Certification" - there is no legal distinction, and in fact the form itself cites two Hawaiian laws that say that this certificate is the legal equivalent of the original (1961) birth certificate and satisfies all the evidentiary requirements of that original. The document made public by Obama turns out to be the one and only certificate anyone born in Hawaii can currently obtain, and anything more elaborate requires a court order. Regarding some other accusations made on the same list: The Executive Order issued by Obama dealt with Presidential records - not the Hawaii Health Dept records nor some school files - and updated a previous EO worked up years before in the wake of the Iran Contra scandal. Old Bush (number 41) had fudged on that old EO by simple bribery of the National Archivist, and this revision of the EO was done in an effort to prevent similar hankypanky by the departing Bush-Cheney administration.
People believe whatever they want to believe. About 20 to 25 percent of the public, including the majority on this 4um, did not ever want this man to run for office, much less be elected. Another 25 percent are uneasy with him now that he is in office, especially at a time of nearly unprecedented economic crisis. About half the public is invested in his presidency and will defend him, to some extent, from the lunatic GOP base (whose "Man of God"™ predecessor GW had a little something to do with causing the crisis, hard as it is for them to believe). But they will do so only half-heartedly, especially if the economy doesn't improve. Polls have been done recently showing that the intensity level of the detractors far outweighs those of the supporters. And you can see this reflected on this 4um as well. As a nonvoter, I really do not understand the vitriolic passion against him just as the Southern Baptists who thought "Lord" Bush was a quasi-deity did not understand my vitriolic passion against him (although the vitriol, in retrospect, was more appropriately directed at Cheney, especially during the first term when he was running the entire shooting match). The two personalities have this in common: the Constitution is a dead letter and a stage prop (only people living in the 19th century continually cite it as authority, in their world view). So, to sum up, I'd say there's reason for hope for you chronic "aginners," as we may soon reach a point where the "center does not hold" and you will have your long-awaited civil war or something and can fight against all the returning war veterans as they try to haul you to the camps or something. They have already proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they WILL mindlessly follow illegal orders.
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#4. To: tom007 (#1)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."
#7. To: buckeroo, tom007 (#4)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
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#10. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
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#11. To: Shoonra (#10)
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