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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate * 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it. Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
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#1. To: All (#0)
Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.
Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president. It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud. If Obama is proven to be not a natural born American Citizen then he is not and never has been President but is instead a Usurper. The Oxford American Dictionary defines it thus: usurp verb - "take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force." "Richard usurped the throne" OR (my own) Obama usurped the Presidency by fraud. There is no credible evidence in the public record showing that Oh'bummer was born in Hawaii. The Certificate of live birth does not count as it could be granted to someone born somewhere else such as Kenya - or like his sister, born in Indonesia, who also has a Certificate of Live Birth. Explain why someone who is innocent of the charge would spend in the vicinity of one million dollars to hide the evidence of their innocence.
It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud. If Obama is proven to be not a natural born American Citizen then he is not and never has been President but is instead a Usurper. The Oxford American Dictionary defines it thus: usurp verb - "take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force." "Richard usurped the throne" OR (my own) Obama usurped the Presidency by fraud. There is no credible evidence in the public record showing that Oh'bummer was born in Hawaii. The Certificate of live birth does not count as it could be granted to someone born somewhere else such as Kenya - or like his sister, born in Indonesia, who also has a Certificate of Live Birth. Explain why someone who is innocent of the charge would spend in the vicinity of one million dollars to hide the evidence of their innocence. Very good post. However, if I may, I believe a couple of corrections are in order, as follows: Per, "It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud." I thionk you probably meant to say, "It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should NOT be allowed to profit from the fraud." Also, where you speak of a "Certificate of Live Birth;" it appears you are referring to the COLB Obama's minions posted on the Internet. As such, when spelled out, it would be a "Certification of Live Birth" rather than a Certificate.
My bad - I intended to say "Not" and didn't catch when proofreading my post. And yes to the second: COLB = Certificate of Live Birth. Short on time gotta run.
Short on time gotta run. No problem, I didn't realize you were already aware of it. Right... COLB = Certifi From http://www.flick r.com/photos/23580873@N05/3201196892/: Barack Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen regardless of the authenticity of this insufficient document. According to his own smears web-site, he was a British subject at time of Birth because of his father's citizenship. He admits this on his OWN web-site."
How many dozen times have I linked you to that pic and yet you still trot out the old picture to prove your case? Why are you intentionally bringing out old evidence instead of addressing the high quality evidence? **Edited for piece of shit outdated browsers.
**Edited for piece of shit outdated browsers. You conveniently forgot to mention that the "old evidence" came from the same source your "new evidence" does; and, that it was brought out because after they brought out the "old evidence" people were immediately able to see obvious discrepencies in that "evidence." This new evidence you so gullibly keep trotting out is just another fake they hope will make up for the mistakes they made in the original. Unfortunately for them, it only serves to prove the fakeness of them both.
Got any expert to show show these are fake? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass. Because it Obama showed fake documents, thats probably impeachable. Lets see it. An MS paint image circle things like assuming they called black people negros doesn't cut it. One expert please, just one. If you can produce a legit expert, with real credentials I'll never challenge you on birth bullshit again.
#121. To: Rhino369 (#119)
And we should take as gospel the forensic abilities of some Hawaiian bureaucrat who claims all is well with Barry's paper work? Who else in government do you trust?
Happy to oblige. I'll be looking forward to hearing the "Golden Sounds of Silence" from you on this topic in the future. Meet Sandra Ramsey Lines.... She's an expert Forensic Document Examiner whose Curriculum Vitae can be found here. Be sure to check out the links near the bottom of the page there. Here is what Ms. Lines says about the image of Obama's COLB posted on line by his operatives: Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all." The above statement can be found in the sworn affidavit from Ms. Lines that has been entered into evidence in at least one of the Obama lawsuits. A still more detailed listing of Lines' credentials can be found by scrolling down below her statement. Please note that should that case go to trial, Ms. Lines would be subject to being found in contempt of court at least, and possibly guilty of purjury, if the information in that affidavit were to be found untrue.
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#4. To: tom007 (#1)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."
#7. To: buckeroo, tom007 (#4)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."
#109. To: Original_Intent (#7)
"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there." Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.
#110. To: packrat1145 (#109)
#113. To: Original_Intent (#110)
My bad - I intended to say "Not" and didn't catch when proofreading my post.
And yes to the second: COLB = Certificate of Live Birth.
catecation of Live Birth. ;-)) 
"This is a copy of Barack H. Obama's Certification of Live Birth that he released through his web-site. It is clear to any person with reasonable intelligence that there are many glaring problems with this document. Furthermore, any educated person, who is willing to do a certain amount of research will soon realize that a Certification of Live Birth is not quite the same as a Certificate of Live Birth. The former is a short-form for the latter. The latter includes much more information such as the name/sig of delivery physician.
#114. To: packrat1145 (#113)
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#118. To: Rhino369 (#114)
How many dozen times have I linked you to that pic and yet you still trot out the old picture to prove your case? Why are you intentionally bringing out old evidence instead of addressing the high quality evidence?
#119. To: packrat1145 (#118)
Replies to Comment # 119. Got any expert to show show these are fake?
#125. To: Rhino369, 4 givan 1, Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, randge, WEAVER, Prefrontal Vortex, mirage, buckeroo, tom007, Prefrontal Vortex, rack42, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, christine, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ, farmfriend, IDon'tThinkSo, Itistoolate, Tony Two T (#119)
Got any expert to show show these are fake? Or are you just pulling that out of your ass. Because it Obama showed fake documents, thats probably impeachable. Lets see it. An MS paint image circle things like assuming they called black people negros doesn't cut it. One expert please, just one. If you can produce a legit expert, with real credentials I'll never challenge you on birth bullshit again.
"I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
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