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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate * 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it. Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
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#16. To: lucysmom, bluegrass (#15)
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well, well. i haven't listened to the youtube in its entirety yet, but one thing Orly said that was correct is the definition of native citizen as opposed to natural born. otherwise, the fact that she was in Tel Aviv (and an Israeli citizen?) makes her suspect, imo.
My take on the birther issue is that the 2-party fraud is using it to distract activist conservatives from the actions the Republicrat party has taken over the last 8 years. Keep them busy over an issue that can never be settled because the very same 2-party fraud refuses to produce the documents needed to put the issue to rest. Once again, the 2-party fraud is playing the American voter like a Stradivarius.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Of course the flip side, this issue undermines the authority of government and the press.
The majority of voters are going to vote Democrat and/or Republican regardless of what happens or what the two party's do. Both party's know this.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
... it's not very far to Oily Taint.
I'd still do her, if she ditched the wig.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
and the false eyelashes ;)
Ah well, I don't really mind a few illusions. I might not have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. Apart from the lack of a nasal sill, the only things I really can't stand are fat hands, fat feet/ankles, a fat face, and penciled eyebrows.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
Keep one's opposition running in circles and stomping out small fires. This issue is a perfect foil for the easily distracted.
I'm sort of surprised you are this easily distracted by fluff. This issue is an energy waster and probably directed from overseas. And using Ms Orly as the lead queen can't be more telling.
It would appear so
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Marguerite is pushing this stuff all the time on elPee - it must be in her mossad monthly work plan.
Sorry.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Well OK then. Maybe the word NOT was missing here?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" and if found guilty of election fraud will McInsane and madam mukluk be charged for aiding and abetting?
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
Well OK then. Maybe the word NOT was missing here? Thank you. I stand corrected. Yes, there should have been a "not" there but instead it is not there.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Upon what grounds? McNutz may well have known as he obviously "took a dive" but proving it is another matter. Sarah appears to have figured out the score and objected to being so used - which is why they ramped up the smear campaign against her.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
as neither one of them said jack about obammy's questionable origins prior to the election. what do obammy, biden, McInsane and madam mukluk have in common? The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
lol
And Congress is empowered to handle the matter. They can play around as they empowered Ken Star, pussy-footing for blue dresses with some presidential anointment imbued on a few thread fibers or cut to the chase. But this Congress is all Democrats, even the so-called republicans except for Ron Paul. Don't worry, even if your cracked-upped scenario were to pan out, they would refuse to impeach the liar in chief.
So are We the People if you remember your 9th Circuit rulings.
Dismiss any court jurisdiction(s)on the matter. They can't even keep up with the new laws such as Congress giving away America to the Chinese based upon unrestrained rubber-stamping by "legal-authorities" in Washington DC.
This was a 2A case.
Where? I have heard of nothing of the sort.
I think you are the same fine person I have known on the Internet chat channels for years. I can tell by your bearing but not by any authentication process so this gives you capability to exploit me in any way you want. Still, you are a mighty, fine poster. And I recognize your perspectives and if, even by chance and if I remember incorrectly you are "mirage" from the old liberty forum, man what a great day 'tis for all of us on '4um, even if some don't respond. Are you the same, "mirage?"
I don't think I've been over to LF, but I have been on LP. I'm not into exploiting people so you have nothing to worry about. To get back to the issue at hand, there was an opinion issued in a 9th Circuit ruling a few years ago where one of the justices stated that 2A was a "Doomsday Clause" written into the Constitution for those days when nobody would enforce the decisions of the Courts or a Government refused to stand down when voted out of office.
If a usurper is in the White House, the Military, the FBI, the Federal Marshals, and DHS are all bound by their oath to oust him. Assuming this pans out, you may see a civil war erupt within the FedGov. Now, assuming this pans out (which I doubt, but it makes for good theatre) then the Supremes will have to get involved. If Congress and the Supremes maintain that Obama is President even though he is not qualified, watch the streets carefully. It will be a riot. For what it's worth... strategyandwar.com/united...y_oath_of_enlistment.html The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
good to see your handle again.
I tend not to bother with this issue for the same reason that I do not bother with the 9/11 issue, the OKC bombing issue or the JFK issue. Do I believe in each case that there were some government shenanigans going on? Hell yes. However, whatever those shenanigans are is being covered up by both sides of the two party fraud using the full force of the government to cover up what they chose to cover up. On top of that, it doesn't matter what evidence is found and presented because the government will either completely ignore it and act as if it's not there or they will investigate themselves and find nothing wrong. An example of this can be see in the Waco investigations. As long as people continue to vote for the two party fraud the crimes perpetrated by this fraud will not see the light of day the the perpetrators will not face justice. That's how I see it anyway. I'd just as well focus my energies on replacing the two-party fraud. Welcome to freedom4um.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Well that is informative and interesting. Thanks.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" It's like the three laws of robotics.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
Couple of fine points: The Constitution comes first. The qualifier: "...according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. ..." According to the UCMJ it is a Courts Martial offense to obey an illegal order. So, this presents an interesting legal situation. If a servicemember believes that the President is illegally in office and is not legally the President then accepting an order therefrom is accepting an illegal order and a punishable, under the UCMJ, offense. As well since the Constitution of the United States is the Supreme Law of the Land one must make the decision when such a conflict arises as to which will be obeyed? Were I still in uniform I know what my decision would be. The Constitution comes first, and the usurper is not legally President and thus any order emanating from him is an illegal order. The question that the Officer Corps is morally, and by given oath, bound to resolve is do they have a duty to follow the orders of a President they believe to be falsely installed in office? Do they have the courage to actually defend the country against a domestic enemy when that enemy is, however falsely, infesting the highest office in the land?
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Hello, old friend. It's nice to see you, too. I probably won't be here a lot. I mainly stopped by because of the update on LP that I found posted here by palo verde; but, I'll probably post a little here until it's back up and running.
Thanks. Please don't take this as a personal affront; but, there is a huge amount of principle involved and that is extremely important because a lot of the very probems you describe are the result of politicians not standing on principle. How on earth are we to expect them to do any better if we fail to let them know how important it is to do so and show them by example. A lot of the principle that is involved relates to the Constitution; which is the supreme law of this land we call home. How important is the Constitution?
Well that is informative and interesting. Thanks. You're quite welcome, Tom.
OMG! Look at what the cat dragged in ... it's a rat!
The difference being that, so far at least, no robot exists with the capability of living up to any one of those three laws; whereas man has the capability to live up to all three. The only exception would be Law #2 if a case were to arise in which two humans gave the subject human opposite orders; in which case the subject human would have to choose which one to follow, thereby breaking that law regardless of his choice. And that, my friend is why the Framers of the Constitution added the criteria that one must be a natural born citizen to that document's requirements for the office of president. That is, no man can faithfully serve two masters. Ergo, no president can be allowed to be put in the position of having to choose between the USA and some other nation. If a man has dual allegiance split between the USA and any other country, there is no way to know which he would choose in a situation wherein if he choose the wrong course of action, great harm could come to this country and/or its citizens. Being a natural born citizen and the presumed allegiance that comes with that status adds a measure of protection for America that cannot be gained in any other manner. While it is not guaranteed, it has been used for centuries as a qualifier; and, for more than 200 years, it has worked satisfactorily for us; yet, it is a protection this country can never have as long as Obama is allowed to remain in office because he has dual allegiance due to the fact that his father was a citizen of Kenya, a foreigner who was never a US Citizen of any kind.
Hey buck.
Aren't you the protected LP defender of GWBush whom basically claimed time and again he was GREATEST President America ever produced for marching into Iraq for the claim WMD? Or did you forget?
This is getting to be like the solitary beach bum bar on the coast left with its lights on in a hurricane. Every last refugee is banging on the doors.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. It is a public forum and Christine DOES believe in giving people their say.
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#17. To: tom007 (#0)
#18. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
My take on the birther issue is that the 2-party fraud is using it to distract activist conservatives from the actions the Republicrat party has taken over the last 8 years. Keep them busy over an issue that can never be settled because the very same 2-party fraud refuses to produce the documents needed to put the issue to rest.
#19. To: PaulCJ (#18)
Of course the flip side, this issue undermines the authority of government and the press.
#20. To: tom007, all (#0)
Orly Taitz
#21. To: High Hopes (#20)
#22. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#21)
#23. To: christine (#22)
#24. To: Hayek Fan (#17)
Once again, the 2-party fraud is playing the American voter like a Stradivarius.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#9)
Of course to the Kook-Aid drinkers there is no evidence - not even a Kenyan Birth Certificate is or would be sufficient to combat their delusions. However, they are funny to watch as they try to avoid the obvious conclusion: Oh'bummer is con-artist and is in the knowing commission of felony election fraud.
#26. To: mininggold (#24)
Keep one's opposition running in circles and stomping out small fires. This issue is a perfect foil for the easily distracted.
#27. To: mininggold (#25)
I'm sort of surprised you are this easily distracted by fluff.
#28. To: rack42 (#5)
Your reference doesn't work, ie, it gives HTTP 440
#29. To: Original_Intent (#7)
It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud.
#30. To: Original_Intent (#9)
#31. To: tom007 (#29)
It is an established legal principle that the person who has committed a fraud should be allowed to profit from the fraud.
#32. To: IRTorqued (#30)
and if found guilty of election fraud will McInsane and madam mukluk be charged for aiding and abetting?
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
they made the CFR approved candidate list. never mind not a one of them could legally be on the ballots in Texas.
#34. To: Original_Intent, Tom007 (#31)
there should have been a "not" there but instead it is not there.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#35. To: mirage (#14)
Assuming things check out, then he took the Oath of Office fraudulently. It would cause a Constitutional crisis because a usurper would be in the White House.
#36. To: buckeroo (#35)
Congress is empowered to handle the matter.
#37. To: mirage (#36)
#38. To: buckeroo (#37)
Dismiss any court jurisdiction(s)on the matter.
#39. To: mirage (#38)
#40. To: mirage (#38)
#41. To: buckeroo (#40)
Are you the same, "mirage?"
#42. To: mirage, buckeroo, tom007, Prefrontal Vortex, rack42, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, christine, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ (#6)
Nobody takes an oath to the President. They take an oath to the Constitution.
#43. To: packrat1145 (#42)
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#44. To: packrat1145, all (#42)
#45. To: packrat1145 (#42)
t I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform C
#46. To: packrat1145 (#42)
#47. To: packrat1145, mirage, buckeroo, tom007, Prefrontal Vortex, rack42, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, christine, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ (#42)
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
#48. To: farmfriend (#43)
good to see your handle again.
#49. To: Hayek Fan (#44)
Welcome to freedom4um.
I tend not to bother with this issue for the same reason that I do not bother with the 9/11 issue, the OKC bombing issue or the JFK issue. Do I believe in each case that there were some government shenanigans going on? Hell yes. However, whatever those shenanigans are is being covered up by both sides of the two party fraud using the full force of the government to cover up what they chose to cover up. On top of that, it doesn't matter what evidence is found and presented because the government will either completely ignore it and act as if it's not there or they will investigate themselves and find nothing wrong. An example of this can be see in the Waco investigations.
As long as people continue to vote for the two party fraud the crimes perpetrated by this fraud will not see the light of day the the perpetrators will not face justice.
That's how I see it anyway. I'd just as well focus my energies on replacing the two-party fraud.
#50. To: tom007 (#45)
I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform C
#51. To: packrat1145 (#50)
#52. To: Prefrontal Vortex, mirage, buckeroo, tom007, Prefrontal Vortex, rack42, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, christine, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ, farmfriend (#46)
It's like the three laws of robotics.
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
OMG! Look at what the cat dragged in ... it's a rat!
#54. To: packrat1145 (#53)
#55. To: buckeroo (#54)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#56. To: randge (#55)
Every last refugee is banging on the doors.
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