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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate

* 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments

Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it.

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tom007  posted on  2009-08-03   22:47:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is there."

Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.

buckeroo  posted on  2009-08-03   23:04:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Does it matter? The guy is a sitting president.

Nobody takes an oath to the President. They take an oath to the Constitution.

If a usurper is in the White House, the Military, the FBI, the Federal Marshals, and DHS are all bound by their oath to oust him.

Assuming this pans out, you may see a civil war erupt within the FedGov.

Now, assuming this pans out (which I doubt, but it makes for good theatre) then the Supremes will have to get involved. If Congress and the Supremes maintain that Obama is President even though he is not qualified, watch the streets carefully. It will be a riot.

mirage  posted on  2009-08-04   1:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nobody takes an oath to the President. They take an oath to the Constitution.

If a usurper is in the White House, the Military, the FBI, the Federal Marshals, and DHS are all bound by their oath to oust him.

Assuming this pans out, you may see a civil war erupt within the FedGov.

Now, assuming this pans out (which I doubt, but it makes for good theatre) then the Supremes will have to get involved. If Congress and the Supremes maintain that Obama is President even though he is not qualified, watch the streets carefully. It will be a riot.

For what it's worth...

strategyandwar.com/united...y_oath_of_enlistment.html

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

packrat1145  posted on  2009-08-14   18:42:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: packrat1145 (#42)

good to see your handle again.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-08-14 18:48:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I tend not to bother with this issue for the same reason that I do not bother with the 9/11 issue, the OKC bombing issue or the JFK issue. Do I believe in each case that there were some government shenanigans going on? Hell yes. However, whatever those shenanigans are is being covered up by both sides of the two party fraud using the full force of the government to cover up what they chose to cover up. On top of that, it doesn't matter what evidence is found and presented because the government will either completely ignore it and act as if it's not there or they will investigate themselves and find nothing wrong. An example of this can be see in the Waco investigations.

As long as people continue to vote for the two party fraud the crimes perpetrated by this fraud will not see the light of day the the perpetrators will not face justice.

That's how I see it anyway. I'd just as well focus my energies on replacing the two-party fraud.

Welcome to freedom4um.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14 19:25:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

t I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform C

Well that is informative and interesting. Thanks.

tom007  posted on  2009-08-14 22:55:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's like the three laws of robotics.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-08-15 00:44:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

Couple of fine points:

The Constitution comes first.

The qualifier: "...according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. ..."

According to the UCMJ it is a Courts Martial offense to obey an illegal order.

So, this presents an interesting legal situation.

If a servicemember believes that the President is illegally in office and is not legally the President then accepting an order therefrom is accepting an illegal order and a punishable, under the UCMJ, offense.

As well since the Constitution of the United States is the Supreme Law of the Land one must make the decision when such a conflict arises as to which will be obeyed?

Were I still in uniform I know what my decision would be. The Constitution comes first, and the usurper is not legally President and thus any order emanating from him is an illegal order.

The question that the Officer Corps is morally, and by given oath, bound to resolve is do they have a duty to follow the orders of a President they believe to be falsely installed in office? Do they have the courage to actually defend the country against a domestic enemy when that enemy is, however falsely, infesting the highest office in the land?

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-15 01:11:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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