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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate * 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it. Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
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#48. To: farmfriend (#43)
Hello, old friend. It's nice to see you, too. I probably won't be here a lot. I mainly stopped by because of the update on LP that I found posted here by palo verde; but, I'll probably post a little here until it's back up and running.
Thanks. Please don't take this as a personal affront; but, there is a huge amount of principle involved and that is extremely important because a lot of the very probems you describe are the result of politicians not standing on principle. How on earth are we to expect them to do any better if we fail to let them know how important it is to do so and show them by example. A lot of the principle that is involved relates to the Constitution; which is the supreme law of this land we call home. How important is the Constitution?
Well that is informative and interesting. Thanks. You're quite welcome, Tom.
OMG! Look at what the cat dragged in ... it's a rat!
The difference being that, so far at least, no robot exists with the capability of living up to any one of those three laws; whereas man has the capability to live up to all three. The only exception would be Law #2 if a case were to arise in which two humans gave the subject human opposite orders; in which case the subject human would have to choose which one to follow, thereby breaking that law regardless of his choice. And that, my friend is why the Framers of the Constitution added the criteria that one must be a natural born citizen to that document's requirements for the office of president. That is, no man can faithfully serve two masters. Ergo, no president can be allowed to be put in the position of having to choose between the USA and some other nation. If a man has dual allegiance split between the USA and any other country, there is no way to know which he would choose in a situation wherein if he choose the wrong course of action, great harm could come to this country and/or its citizens. Being a natural born citizen and the presumed allegiance that comes with that status adds a measure of protection for America that cannot be gained in any other manner. While it is not guaranteed, it has been used for centuries as a qualifier; and, for more than 200 years, it has worked satisfactorily for us; yet, it is a protection this country can never have as long as Obama is allowed to remain in office because he has dual allegiance due to the fact that his father was a citizen of Kenya, a foreigner who was never a US Citizen of any kind.
Hey buck.
Aren't you the protected LP defender of GWBush whom basically claimed time and again he was GREATEST President America ever produced for marching into Iraq for the claim WMD? Or did you forget?
This is getting to be like the solitary beach bum bar on the coast left with its lights on in a hurricane. Every last refugee is banging on the doors.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. It is a public forum and Christine DOES believe in giving people their say.
Oh, hell, I was just joshing. This is Christine's place and not mine. The more the merrier & welcome all. Tho' it does brown a fellow off a bit that some on the other place denigrate "4dum" and then show up here looking for their mates.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Packrat is one of the reasons why a number of us flew the "LP coup" back in 2004-5. Then, it was unamused whom got smacked and quickly created FU. Christine, later created 4um. Although, I pray I am not intimidating, I do want others to know there is a history of comments on issues that have lead to our demise today. And playing or praying for one of the two sided head of the evil beast in Washington DC is not an answer or even a reasonable dialog; praying or laying with the two party system is only an excuse for future failure in America. Today, packrat pretends the president is lying about credentials in office when in fact it is just an accentuation of his own perseverance of GOP flag waving.
No doubt said people will be reminded of this, correct?
I ain't said nothin' & mum's the word. I love you like a another brother.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Don't stay too quiet!
No, I won't if it gets too dark and wierd. Like your tag line. It has some bite.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Assuming the link is still active, its an actual news article there. I notice that all the so-called "Progressives" are now all fired up to boycott Whole Foods because their CEO came up with what looks like a workable alternative plan to HR 3200. It must be worth looking into if the statists are up in arms over it.
Or did you forget? No...
Buckiepoo, you've been banned from enough places that most people know you well enough to understand why there's no need for me to even dignify your comments with a rebuttal.
No what? That you are are GOPer? Or that you begged for war around the world like Cal and Goldie-locks or what ever the fucking name she calls herself? Why are you so humble? Did I crumble your self-image to just crash the party while Goldie exclaims her hardware and software don't work anymore? Why are you actually here on 4um? An't you permitted to view her new website? The all new LibertyPost website she is single-handledly creating while you lied for years and perpetuated dogma and stigma? What kind and benevolent poster are you, anyways? Just a chum of Israel and the two-party system?
Packrat, you're here
So go .. and tell Sally .. another few thousand are coming to her from a benefactor. But you have never backed upped your goddamed claims leading America into illegal wars and duress other than your chants, "GOP is good" ... "DEM is bad" Man, get the fuck away from my screen.
Hello, sweet Palo. Thanks for the kind welcome. It's always nice to see you!
sweet dreams my darling
That's how I see it anyway. I'd just as well focus my energies on replacing the two-party fraud. i agree completely. the other major issue that so many choose to ignore is the vote fraud perpetrated by the system. we do NOT have honest elections. we the people do NOT elect anyone. the presidential candidates are selected, imo, years in advance by the PTB. read Votescam: The Stealing of America for a huge eyeopener.
good post. you might enjoy this very well done explanation~
OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS BRITISH CITIZEN AT BIRTH - AS SUCH OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF US (a clear explanation of the issue) Thanks for the kind words, Christine. I appreciate the link, too; and, have bookmarked it for future reference. From that article: That is all true. However, while I agree the BC is irrelevant to Obama's eligibility, I think it would be a mistake to ignore that issue entirely. There is no denying that, real or not, Obama's posted COLB will not make him a natural born citizen. Existent or not, an original long form BC will not either. Still, IMO, legally proving the COLB to be a forgery would in turn prove that Obama is legally guilty of fraud; and that could well be the chink in his armor that might convince a court to take a closer look at what we know to be the greater fraud. I think we need to go after Obama from every possible angle, leaving no stone unturned. We ought not to make things easy for him by limiting what we go after him on to just a few issues. We need to make him fight on every front possible. Every million dollars he has to spend fighting the BC issue is a million he will not have to buy ACORN's help in getting relected in 2012. I also have grave concerns that if Obama is allowed to remain in office even for the remainder of one full term that he will have so corrupted the system that he can't be defeated at the polls come 2012. If he's allowed a full eight years in office, I sincerely believe there will be no hope for America.
the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible.
"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible. Yes, I understand exactly what the author's point is, thanks. However, that in no way changes my point of view that we should not give Obama a pass on any transgression, no matter how small. By proffering the fake COLB, Obama is guilty of fraud. Fraud is a crime. No public official, including the person holding the title and occupying the office of president, is above the law and should be held liable if he/she commit a crime, any crime. Regardless of its relativity to the eligibility issue, it would be wrong to ignore whatever other crimes Obama has committed, including the crime of fraud.
Of course, you're fully prepared to prove that, right? Tell me how you're going to do it. I'd love to know.
It may not matter today where this man was born, but it will eventually. To the most obvious idiot, his father is a British citizen, any person in this government who excuses this little known fact, is a TRAITOR to America! If we remember their names, then we will know who to get rid of in the near future. WEAVER
You only have one problem in life. Prove your allegations. So far all you have dome is point a finger at everyone but yourself.
Of course, you're fully prepared to prove that, right? Tell me how you're going to do it. I'd love to know. The fake Obama COLB has already been proven to be a fake.
Which "fake" are you talking about, and who "proved" it? Does the State of Hawaii know this?
Apparently you have me confused with someone who gives a shit what you think I should prove. Explain yourself more indept and I might know what the hell your talking about. WEAVER
Here ya go, here ya go
Factcheck disagrees with you. "Summary In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake." We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said. Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu." You can also go here to see that actual copy with seal, fold, and everything.
Who is this person, and what document is h/she referring to?
agreed, but don't we have to go back to who vetted (or didn't) him in the first place? my belief is that everyone knows and it doesn't matter because HE was the selection. we all know that the politicians pick and choose obeyance to the constitution for their own political expediency. this is just one more egregious slap in our faces. bush was candid when he declared that the constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper. that's what all these elites think. some government for, by, and of the people, huh?
the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible. It may not matter today where this man was born, but it will eventually. To the most obvious idiot, his father is a British citizen, any person in this government who excuses this little known fact, is a TRAITOR to America! If we remember their names, then we will know who to get rid of in the near future. It's a technicality; but, Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject. But I believe your underlying premise is that because Obama'a father was never a US citizen of any kind, Obama never was, is not now and never can be eligible to be president; and, that premise is 100% correct. Obama, Junior was also a Kenyan citizen until he reached age 20, according to Kenyan law; as is confirmed by his own website, fightthesmears.com via the following statement: Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” Rergardless of the validity of the Obama COLB and contrary to Obama's claims at other times and places, he had to have been a Kenyan citizen at birth for that Kenyan law to apply. IOWs, how could his Kenyan citizenship expire if he was never a Kenyan citizen...
come back, back
Well no wonder his material has vanished. He's the Bobby Sherman of politics, politics.
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#49. To: Hayek Fan (#44)
Welcome to freedom4um.
I tend not to bother with this issue for the same reason that I do not bother with the 9/11 issue, the OKC bombing issue or the JFK issue. Do I believe in each case that there were some government shenanigans going on? Hell yes. However, whatever those shenanigans are is being covered up by both sides of the two party fraud using the full force of the government to cover up what they chose to cover up. On top of that, it doesn't matter what evidence is found and presented because the government will either completely ignore it and act as if it's not there or they will investigate themselves and find nothing wrong. An example of this can be see in the Waco investigations.
As long as people continue to vote for the two party fraud the crimes perpetrated by this fraud will not see the light of day the the perpetrators will not face justice.
That's how I see it anyway. I'd just as well focus my energies on replacing the two-party fraud.
#50. To: tom007 (#45)
I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform C
#51. To: packrat1145 (#50)
#52. To: Prefrontal Vortex, mirage, buckeroo, tom007, Prefrontal Vortex, rack42, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, christine, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ, farmfriend (#46)
It's like the three laws of robotics.
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
OMG! Look at what the cat dragged in ... it's a rat!
#54. To: packrat1145 (#53)
#55. To: buckeroo (#54)
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#56. To: randge (#55)
Every last refugee is banging on the doors.
#57. To: mirage (#56)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#58. To: randge, packrat1145, christine (#55)
#59. To: randge (#57)
Tho' it does brown a fellow off a bit that some on the other place denigrate "4dum" and then show up here looking for their mates.
#60. To: mirage (#59)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#61. To: randge (#60)
I ain't said nothin' & mum's the word.
#62. To: mirage (#61)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#63. To: randge (#62)
Like your tag line. It has some bite.
#64. To: buckeroo (#54)
Aren't you the protected LP defender of GWBush whom basically claimed time and again he was GREATEST President America ever produced for marching into Iraq for the claim WMD?
#65. To: buckeroo, randge, christine (#58)
Packrat is...
#66. To: packrat1145 (#64)
#67. To: packrat1145 (#52)
great!
I am so happy to see you
Love, Palo
#68. To: packrat1145 (#65)
#69. To: palo verde (#67)
Packrat, you're here
great!
I am so happy to see you
Love, Palo
#70. To: packrat1145 (#69)
see you tomorrow
Love, Palo
#71. To: Hayek Fan, packrat1145 (#44)
As long as people continue to vote for the two party fraud the crimes perpetrated by this fraud will not see the light of day the the perpetrators will not face justice.
#72. To: packrat1145 (#52)
#73. To: christine (#72)
good post. you might enjoy this very well done explanation~
"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President."
#74. To: packrat1145 (#73)
"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues
#75. To: christine (#74)
#76. To: packrat1145 (#75)
By proffering the fake COLB
#77. To: christine (#74)
the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible.
#78. To: WEAVER (#77)
It may not matter today where this man was born, but it will eventually. To the most obvious idiot, his father is a British citizen, any person in this government who excuses this little known fact, is a TRAITOR to America!
#79. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#76)
By proffering the fake COLB
#80. To: packrat1145 (#79)
(Edited)
The fake Obama COLB has already been proven to be a fake.
#81. To: buckeroo (#78)
You only have one problem in life. Prove your allegations. So far all you have dome is point a finger at everyone but yourself.
#82. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#80)
#83. To: Tony Two Times (#82)
#84. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#83)
The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."
#85. To: packrat1145 (#75)
(Edited)
#86. To: WEAVER, christine, Prefrontal Vortex, mirage, buckeroo, tom007, rack42, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ, farmfriend, IDon'tThinkSo, Tony Two Times (#77)
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
#87. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#83)
Who is this person, and what document is h/she referring to?
#88. To: packrat1145 (#86)
Rergardless of the validity of the Obama COLB and contrary to Obama's claims at other times and places, he had to have been a Kenyan citizen at birth for that Kenyan law to apply.
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