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Title: Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate
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Published: Aug 3, 2009
Author: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/08/bir
Post Date: 2009-08-03 22:20:07 by tom007
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Birthers Defend Obviously Fake Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate * 8/3/09 at 6:02 PM * Comment 8Comment 8Comments Over the weekend, the leaders of the Birther movement forged a Kenyan birth certificate that they claim proves that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and therefore is not legally president. Even though this was rapidly debunked, even by supporters of the Birthers, leaders like Orly Taitz, the Zsa Zsa of the lunatic fringe of the right wing, have still taken to the airwaves to proclaim victory. Of course, they're getting an increasingly hostile reception. In this clip, watch as Taitz goes off against MSNBC hosts, calling them "offensive," linking their behavior to Hitler's paramilitary "brownshirts," and proclaiming that they "will not be on TV for too long." Watching this video, we realized that it's not just the famous Hungarian actress and socialite that Orly reminded us of. There's someone else close to our hearts to whom (at least vocally) she bears an uncanny resemblance. If only we could put our finger on it. Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
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#66. To: packrat1145 (#64)
No what? That you are are GOPer? Or that you begged for war around the world like Cal and Goldie-locks or what ever the fucking name she calls herself? Why are you so humble? Did I crumble your self-image to just crash the party while Goldie exclaims her hardware and software don't work anymore? Why are you actually here on 4um? An't you permitted to view her new website? The all new LibertyPost website she is single-handledly creating while you lied for years and perpetuated dogma and stigma? What kind and benevolent poster are you, anyways? Just a chum of Israel and the two-party system?
Packrat, you're here
So go .. and tell Sally .. another few thousand are coming to her from a benefactor. But you have never backed upped your goddamed claims leading America into illegal wars and duress other than your chants, "GOP is good" ... "DEM is bad" Man, get the fuck away from my screen.
Hello, sweet Palo. Thanks for the kind welcome. It's always nice to see you!
sweet dreams my darling
That's how I see it anyway. I'd just as well focus my energies on replacing the two-party fraud. i agree completely. the other major issue that so many choose to ignore is the vote fraud perpetrated by the system. we do NOT have honest elections. we the people do NOT elect anyone. the presidential candidates are selected, imo, years in advance by the PTB. read Votescam: The Stealing of America for a huge eyeopener.
good post. you might enjoy this very well done explanation~
OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS BRITISH CITIZEN AT BIRTH - AS SUCH OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF US (a clear explanation of the issue) Thanks for the kind words, Christine. I appreciate the link, too; and, have bookmarked it for future reference. From that article: That is all true. However, while I agree the BC is irrelevant to Obama's eligibility, I think it would be a mistake to ignore that issue entirely. There is no denying that, real or not, Obama's posted COLB will not make him a natural born citizen. Existent or not, an original long form BC will not either. Still, IMO, legally proving the COLB to be a forgery would in turn prove that Obama is legally guilty of fraud; and that could well be the chink in his armor that might convince a court to take a closer look at what we know to be the greater fraud. I think we need to go after Obama from every possible angle, leaving no stone unturned. We ought not to make things easy for him by limiting what we go after him on to just a few issues. We need to make him fight on every front possible. Every million dollars he has to spend fighting the BC issue is a million he will not have to buy ACORN's help in getting relected in 2012. I also have grave concerns that if Obama is allowed to remain in office even for the remainder of one full term that he will have so corrupted the system that he can't be defeated at the polls come 2012. If he's allowed a full eight years in office, I sincerely believe there will be no hope for America.
the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible.
"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible. Yes, I understand exactly what the author's point is, thanks. However, that in no way changes my point of view that we should not give Obama a pass on any transgression, no matter how small. By proffering the fake COLB, Obama is guilty of fraud. Fraud is a crime. No public official, including the person holding the title and occupying the office of president, is above the law and should be held liable if he/she commit a crime, any crime. Regardless of its relativity to the eligibility issue, it would be wrong to ignore whatever other crimes Obama has committed, including the crime of fraud.
Of course, you're fully prepared to prove that, right? Tell me how you're going to do it. I'd love to know.
It may not matter today where this man was born, but it will eventually. To the most obvious idiot, his father is a British citizen, any person in this government who excuses this little known fact, is a TRAITOR to America! If we remember their names, then we will know who to get rid of in the near future. WEAVER
You only have one problem in life. Prove your allegations. So far all you have dome is point a finger at everyone but yourself.
Of course, you're fully prepared to prove that, right? Tell me how you're going to do it. I'd love to know. The fake Obama COLB has already been proven to be a fake.
Which "fake" are you talking about, and who "proved" it? Does the State of Hawaii know this?
Apparently you have me confused with someone who gives a shit what you think I should prove. Explain yourself more indept and I might know what the hell your talking about. WEAVER
Here ya go, here ya go
Factcheck disagrees with you. "Summary In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake." We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said. Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu." You can also go here to see that actual copy with seal, fold, and everything.
Who is this person, and what document is h/she referring to?
agreed, but don't we have to go back to who vetted (or didn't) him in the first place? my belief is that everyone knows and it doesn't matter because HE was the selection. we all know that the politicians pick and choose obeyance to the constitution for their own political expediency. this is just one more egregious slap in our faces. bush was candid when he declared that the constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper. that's what all these elites think. some government for, by, and of the people, huh?
the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible. It may not matter today where this man was born, but it will eventually. To the most obvious idiot, his father is a British citizen, any person in this government who excuses this little known fact, is a TRAITOR to America! If we remember their names, then we will know who to get rid of in the near future. It's a technicality; but, Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject. But I believe your underlying premise is that because Obama'a father was never a US citizen of any kind, Obama never was, is not now and never can be eligible to be president; and, that premise is 100% correct. Obama, Junior was also a Kenyan citizen until he reached age 20, according to Kenyan law; as is confirmed by his own website, fightthesmears.com via the following statement: Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” Rergardless of the validity of the Obama COLB and contrary to Obama's claims at other times and places, he had to have been a Kenyan citizen at birth for that Kenyan law to apply. IOWs, how could his Kenyan citizenship expire if he was never a Kenyan citizen...
come back, back
Well no wonder his material has vanished. He's the Bobby Sherman of politics, politics.
Please Stay Focused America! Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject
bingo
Thank you christine! WEAVER
No, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land; and, as such, it is the controlling authority. Who did or did not vet him is irrelevent, as is the fact that he was elected. Whether or not anyone along the way dropped the ball; and, regardless of how many votes he got, no part of that process negates the Constitution. Nothing personal; but, neither does your belief. Yes, but they have done so in large degree because we allowed them to. Sadly, We The People have not been as vigilant as we should have been in paying attention to what has been happening; and, have allowed it to become the norm that our elected officials not only do not follow the Constitution, but to also not even understand the contents of that document. Indeed, far too few of us do, either. For the record, Bush may have thought that; but, there is no proof he ever said it. There is not even one shred of evidence that he did so except for third hand heresay. It was a rumor started by a leftist blogger who had no way to have any first hand knowledge of what was said in the meeting during which he claimed it was said. His claim was that someone in attendance at the meeting had told another person and that second party told him, the blogger. Like I said, third hand information with not a single one who supposedly repeated it (except the leftist blogger himself) ever being identified. I could prove that to you; but, it's not worth it to me now to worry about what Bush may have thought or said. I agree; and, I include Bush as being one of those elites, though I don't believe he was evil as some portray him to be and certainly not on the same scale as Obama and others who are hellbent on destroying America. IOWs, I see Bush as having been grossly misguided in a number of ways; but, he also did some very good things. Obama, OTOH, has done no good and will not because his intent is to weaken America to the extent that it can be easily defeated by the Muslin Brotherhood.
"Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject" bingo Thank you christine! BTW, The person you two are quoting says, "You're welcome..." ;-))
The fake Obama COLB has already been proven to be a fake. Which "fake" are you talking about, and who "proved" it? Does the State of Hawaii know this? IDon'tThinkSoGood, are you an idiot in real life or do you just play one on Freedom4um,com?
Sadly, We The People have not been as vigilant as we should have been in paying attention to what has been happening; and, have allowed it to become the norm that our elected officials not only do not follow the Constitution, but to also not even understand the contents of that document. Indeed, far too few of us do, either. absolutely. There is not even one shred of evidence that he did so except for third hand heresay. It was a rumor started by a leftist blogger who had no way to have any first hand knowledge of what was said in the meeting during which he claimed it was said. His claim was that someone in attendance at the meeting had told another person and that second party told him, the blogger. Like I said, third hand information with not a single one who supposedly repeated it (except the leftist blogger himself) ever being identified. I could prove that to you; but, it's not worth it to me now to worry about what Bush may have thought or said. oh? i wasn't aware of that.
I see you're as big an asshole here as you are at LP.
Honestly, packrat, by that token a newly elected sheriff may continue to hold office even though subsequently it becomes known that he has been convicted of a number of felonies that would have prevented him from running or taking office. I have no damned idea where this man was born or not born or what the citizenship was of whoever was screwing his mommy. Every day I care less and less. But let's be clear on this: You cannot profit from the fruits of a fraud or other crime. A fraudulently elected official cannot continue to hold office - sheriff or president - even if he is elected unanimously.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. It's a technicality; but, Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject Please Stay Focused America! Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject Fortunately, millions of Americans are focused. Unfortunately, the media is ignoring that fact. Fortunately, we have the Internet where we can learn the truth. Bottom line: We have the advantage, IF we use it properly. Start emailing the facts to everyone on your contact list and asking them to do the same. If only ten people email to ten friends and those ten pass it on to ten of their friends, that will result in one hundred people being exposed to the truth. If those one hundred do the same, that's a thousand people seeing the truth. If that is repeated through ten levels, the email will have been sent to billions of people. IOWs, long before the tenth level, many more than the total population of the USA will have had the opportunity to learn the truth. "Other than God Almighty Himself, there is no greater force on earth than the collective strength of a properly informed American citizenry." - - - JT Mims
It's a technicality; but, Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject Please Stay Focused America! Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject Fortunately, millions of Americans are focused. Unfortunately, the media is ignoring that fact. Fortunately, we have the Internet where we can learn the truth. I meant everty word when I said "stay focused America", I'm not talking about what the media is "ingnoring', we, those who are focucsed, we already know for a fact, they don't give damn, so why rehash old news? You're only right about one aspect, the internet! How refreshing! As if this is a new revenue... I do not mean to sound disrespectful, but please, for the multitudes of those who may be just awakening to what is unfolding in this country....keep it simple, don't polute your messeage with a lot of unnessessary garbage of no importance...just keep your message simple and the audience you seek will understand! WEAVER
BORN IN THE USA? Obama mama: 6 lost months
And yet he's your president? You 'randge', got exactly the leadership you deserver, unfortunutely, your sort of ignorance fits perfectly in some communistic country...exactly where you should be! WEAVER
There is not even one shred of evidence that he did so except for third hand heresay. It was a rumor started by a leftist blogger who had no way to have any first hand knowledge of what was said in the meeting during which he claimed it was said. His claim was that someone in attendance at the meeting had told another person and that second party told him, the blogger. Like I said, third hand information with not a single one who supposedly repeated it (except the leftist blogger himself) ever being identified. I could prove that to you; but, it's not worth it to me now to worry about what Bush may have thought or said. oh? i wasn't aware of that. Only because I believe you are a true seeker of truth... here is the orignal source for the rumor: Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act. Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell-shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. "I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander- in-Chief. Do it my way." "Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution." "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" I've talked to three people who were either present for the meeting that day or had knowledge of what happened inside the meeting and they all says the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper." None, unfortunately, are willing to go on the record in a White House known for retribution against those who leak information. "...in a White House known for retribution against those who leak information..." Convenient red herring, no? Trouble is, even if that were a true statement, it can't replace the proof that Thompson fails to provide for his claim of what Bush supposedly said. Now... let's take a look at who apparently really is of the opinion, whether stated or not, that the Constitution is just a 'Goddamned piece of paper.' In the loony world of conspiracy theory nutcases, anything is possible and the most ludicrous of claims too often get passed off as fact. Case in point: The incredibly stupid debate over President Barack Obama's citizenship. Started by the right wing in a failed effort to prevent America from electing its first African-American President, the so-called "birthers" movement -- fueled by hatemongers, racists, bigots and the incurably stupid -- continues to spread discredited lies that Obama was born in Kenya or some other non-American locale. Our current President was born in Hawaii, an American territory that became our 50th state. Hawaii confirmed it and, for normal people with a working brain, that should have closed the case. But conspiracy nuts don't have functioning brains. They have out-of-control fantasies, fed by terminal insanity, driven by inane beliefs that anything that involves the government is a dark, X-Files conspiracy to destroy us all. I recently ordered a certified copy of my birth certificate from the state of Florida. They sent me a computer generated document that looks a lot like the one produced by Hawaii to confirm Obama's birth. I took that document to my local Social Security office and asked if that provides proof of birth and citizenship. Yes, they said. It does. But proof of birth will not satisfy the lunatic fringe when it comes to supporting the conspiracy du jour. They need to feed their lurid fantasies that Obama is a puppet of Saudi Arabia, a pawn of the mythical New World Order (otherwise known as NWO) or part of some Zionist conspiracy cooked up by anti- Semites to support their hate and bigotry. Sadly, the Internet -- which could function as a medium for spreading real, fact-based information -- is a hotbed for half-baked conspiracy theories, hate, racism and outright lies. Those who question Obama's birthrate will claim they are not racist, but many of them are. You find misinformation about his birth certificate on many white supremacy web sites but you will not find one credible shred of evidence that supports the birther movement on a site devoted to hard, cold facts. As an American, I have serious problems with some of Obama's policies. I feel he is pushing the country that I love too far to the left and spending this nation into irreversible debt. But I do not, for one second, doubt his birthright. He's an American. Anyone who buys into the claims of the birthers is a gullible fool. Is Thompson an honest journalist who really and truly believes in the Constitution himself? Or... is he just another leftist who will tell any lie to keep the liberal agenda alive and well? I'll let you decide; but, I can you one thing... as many times as his claim about Bush has been repeated, not one person has ever come forward to say, "I'm Doug Thompson's source. I was at that meeting and I personally heard George Bush say what Doug Thompson claimed." BTW, as I was finding all this once again (I used to have all this stuff bookmarked, but my HD crashed a couple of years ago), I remembered that at one time I had found where Thompson actually issued a retraction for his story about Bush. Shortly after that, he hid the link to that retraction and issued a statement saying he stood by the story... A few references can still be found to it by doing a search for "Bush on the Constitution" "Doug Thompson" +retraction; but I can't find an actual link to it now. But, let's forget for a moment what Thompson believes and even overlook his politics. Just how good is his judgement as far as choosing what sources to rely on for his claims? I'll even allow Thompson to answer that question for us... Here's what he himself says about a source he claims to have depended for a period of twenty years...
To paraphrase Popeye... "wherever I yam..." ;-))
The fake Obama COLB has already been proven to be a fake. Which "fake" are you talking about, and who "proved" it? Does the State of Hawaii know this? IDon'tThinkSoGood, are you an idiot in real life or do you just play one on Freedom4um,com? I see you're as big an asshole here as you are at LP. Oh, wait... now I get it! You're probably a little miffed because I didn't give you credit for playing an idiot both here and at LP! My apology for being so careless... ;-))
Whether or not anyone along the way dropped the ball; and, regardless of how many votes he got, no part of that process negates the Constitution. Nothing personal; but, neither does your belief. Honestly, packrat, by that token a newly elected sheriff may continue to hold office even though subsequently it becomes known that he has been convicted of a number of felonies that would have prevented him from running or taking office. Nope... I have no reason to doubt the honesty of your comment; but, that is the exact opposite of the meaning of my words. Please read my comment again. I refuse to believe that you really mean that. Because if you do, it can only mean that you either also do not care about what the Constitution says or you do not understand what it says relative to requirements for the office of president. I am clear on it. I said as much... Please re-read my comment.
ok. you've convinced me. Thompson failed to source. i'm glad to get this information. i'll not repeat that "rumor" again. Started by the right wing in a failed effort to prevent America from electing its first African-American President, the so-called "birthers" movement and that tells me all i need to know about Doug Thompson and his bias.
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#67. To: packrat1145 (#52)
great!
I am so happy to see you
Love, Palo
#68. To: packrat1145 (#65)
#69. To: palo verde (#67)
Packrat, you're here
great!
I am so happy to see you
Love, Palo
#70. To: packrat1145 (#69)
see you tomorrow
Love, Palo
#71. To: Hayek Fan, packrat1145 (#44)
As long as people continue to vote for the two party fraud the crimes perpetrated by this fraud will not see the light of day the the perpetrators will not face justice.
#72. To: packrat1145 (#52)
#73. To: christine (#72)
good post. you might enjoy this very well done explanation~
"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President."
#74. To: packrat1145 (#73)
"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues
#75. To: christine (#74)
#76. To: packrat1145 (#75)
By proffering the fake COLB
#77. To: christine (#74)
the author's point is that it doesn't matter where barry himself was born. he is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British citizen at the time of barry's birth. that is what defines natural born so he is ineligible.
#78. To: WEAVER (#77)
It may not matter today where this man was born, but it will eventually. To the most obvious idiot, his father is a British citizen, any person in this government who excuses this little known fact, is a TRAITOR to America!
#79. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#76)
By proffering the fake COLB
#80. To: packrat1145 (#79)
(Edited)
The fake Obama COLB has already been proven to be a fake.
#81. To: buckeroo (#78)
You only have one problem in life. Prove your allegations. So far all you have dome is point a finger at everyone but yourself.
#82. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#80)
#83. To: Tony Two Times (#82)
#84. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#83)
The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."
#85. To: packrat1145 (#75)
(Edited)
#86. To: WEAVER, christine, Prefrontal Vortex, mirage, buckeroo, tom007, rack42, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, Shoonra, Sam Houston, Hayek Fan, PaulCJ, farmfriend, IDon'tThinkSo, Tony Two Times (#77)
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
#87. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#83)
Who is this person, and what document is h/she referring to?
#88. To: packrat1145 (#86)
Rergardless of the validity of the Obama COLB and contrary to Obama's claims at other times and places, he had to have been a Kenyan citizen at birth for that Kenyan law to apply.
#89. To: packrat1145 (#86)
It's a technicality; but, Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject
#90. To: WEAVER (#89)
Obama, Sr. was a Kenyan citizen and a British subject
#91. To: christine (#90)
#92. To: christine (#85)
agreed, but don't we have to go back to who vetted (or didn't) him in the first place? my belief is that everyone knows and it doesn't matter because HE was the selection.
we all know that the politicians pick and choose obeyance to the constitution for their own political expediency. this is just one more egregious slap in our faces.
bush was candid when he declared that the constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper.
that's what all these elites think.
#93. To: WEAVER, christine (#91)
#94. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#80)
#95. To: packrat1145 (#92)
Yes, but they have done so in large degree because we allowed them to.
#96. To: packrat1145 (#94)
#97. To: packrat1145 (#92)
Whether or not anyone along the way dropped the ball; and, regardless of how many votes he got, no part of that process negates the Constitution. Nothing personal; but, neither does your belief.
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#98. To: WEAVER (#89)
#99. To: packrat1145 (#98)
#100. To: packrat1145 (#98)
No documented record of whereabouts, activity leading up to baby's birth in '61
#101. To: randge (#97)
I have no damned idea where this man was born or not born or what the citizenship was of whoever was screwing his mommy. Every day I care less and less.
#102. To: christine (#95)
bush was candid when he declared that the constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper.
By Doug thompson
By Doug thompson
#103. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#96)
I see you're as big an asshole here as you are at LP.
#104. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#96)
#105. To: randge (#97)
I have no damned idea where this man was born or not born or what the citizenship was of whoever was screwing his mommy. Every day I care less and less.
But let's be clear on this: You cannot profit from the fruits of a fraud or other crime. A fraudulently elected official cannot continue to hold office - sheriff or president - even if he is elected unanimously.
#106. To: packrat1145 (#102)
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