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Neocon Nuttery See other Neocon Nuttery Articles Title: Forged Kenyan Document Splinters ‘Birther’ Movement Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, cant understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Its madness, said Chessoni on Monday. His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims. Nonetheless, Chessoni spent part of his day fielding inquiries about an image posted at the fringe conservative web site WorldNetDailya purported certified copy of registration of birth belonging to Barack Hussein Obama II, submitted by attorney Orly Taitz in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, part of her undying quest to get a judge to listen to the conspiracy theories about the 44th president of the United States. Im forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond, Taitz told the Website. I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy. Chessoni didnt understand what Taitz was talking about or what her discovery (the gift of an anonymous source whos afraid for his life) was supposed to prove. He showed the image to other embassy employees, who rolled their eyes at what was, for some, only the latest forgery being passed off as an official document from Kenya. Its a red herring, said Chessoni. Maybe there are not enough facts out there. The forged birth certificate, released early on Sunday morning, was quickly picked apart by a growing online community of freelance birther debunkers. It was marked as an official February 1964 document from the Coast Province of the Republic of Kenya. But there was no Coast Province in 1964, and Kenya was not yet a Republic. It was off by one year on the age of Barack Obama, Sr. It was signed by E.F. Lavender, which happened to be the name of a popular soap in Kenya, and entered at the District Registry Office on August 5, 1961, a Saturday when the office would have been closed. Late Monday evening, TWI reported that the certificate had significant similarities to an unrelated Australian birth certificate, which may have been the source of the forgery. The new focus on a bogus document from an anonymous source has riven the small community of activists who are trying to prove that Barack Obama cannot be president of the United States. The day after the image appeared online, prominent birther attorneys and activists worried that Taitz was doing real, irreversible damage to their movement. As shes become the public face of the birther causeon Monday, MSNBC labeled her a leader of the birther movementother figures in the birther community are distancing themselves from her work and from this document. If this turns out to be a bad document that shes posted, I think it gives the non-birthers an argument to say: See, these people dont know what theyre doing, said Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney who filed the first eligibility lawsuit against Obama one year ago this month. If this document turns out to be a phony, I wouldnt be surprised to find that the non-birthers put it out there. On Sunday and Monday, the forums at the conservative web site FreeRepublic.com roiled with discussion of Taitzs new allegations and the forged document. Some prominent birthers chimed in to attack Taitz. Dr. Ron Polarik, an anonymous forensic analyst whose attempts to prove that Obamas Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery has been widely accepted by birthersand even filed as evidence in one of Bergs lawsuitsaccused Taitz of shopping around another BOGUS BIRTH DOCUMENT. Jim Robinson, the founder and owner of the site, started his own thread, asking whether the certificate was a fake. On Monday, the site took the unorthodox step of linking directly to the two threads with a sort of disclaimer: Welcome Visitors! If youre looking for the Kenyan Birth Certificate story, click here! Or is it a fake? The story broke at a perfect time [early Sunday morning] for people to sit at their computers all day, laughed Kristinn Taylor, a spokesman for FreeRepublic. Taylor pointed to the combative threads about the birth certificate to show that the the conservative sites readers were treating the story much the way they had treated the September 2004 CBS News story on President George W. Bushs service in the Texas Air National Guard. A FreeRepublic poster named Harry McDougland, who went by the handle Buckhead, did key research on the documents used in the original CBS News report that led producers to admit that they were probably forged, and eventually led to the network retracting the story. A lot of people are looking at this with a jaundiced eye, especially in light of what happened five years ago, said Taylor. One thing I really hate is people using forged documents to score political points. I didnt like it in 2004. I didnt like it when people went after Michelle Obama with that forged room service receipt, saying she had racked up this big bill at the Waldorf-Astoria. I dont like it when its done to anybody. Taitzs find has proven just as controversial with lawyers whove worked with her in the past. Gary Kreep, a California attorney who assisted Taitz when she filed her first lawsuits in the state last year, worried that Taitz had jumped the gun. Ive advised her in writing, along with several other attorneys, that if she has an original document that seems to bolster her case, it needs to be examined by a professional document examiner, Kreep told TWI. Kreeps concern about Taitzs Kenyan birth certificate came out of his own experience in being offered fishy or fraudulent smoking gun documents about Obamas past. Ive gotten tips about birth certificates that are purported to be original, snuck out of Kenya, yadda yadda, Kreep said. Then, all of a sudden, the people offering these things disappear into the woodwork. Some people are definitely putting together hoaxes to damage our cause. WorldNetDaily has been accused of giving space over to hoaxes in the past. Last year, the site published purported emails between Obama and Kenyan presidential candidate Rail Odinga, allegedly obtained by Jerome Corsi, the author of the Swift Boat Veterans 2004 book Unfit for Command who went on a fact-finding mission to to the east African nation for WND. The poorly written and unauthenticated emails were promoted on Fox and Friends, the Fox News morning show, but sunk without a trace thereafter. Taitz, who appeared on MSNBC on Monday to promote her find, has attempted to avoid Corsis mistakes by shifting the burden of proof for the forged certificate. In her special motion, filed on Monday, Taitz does not claim that her document is authentic, and instead asks for a subpoena for deposition duces tecum and letters rogatory to force American, Kenyan, and British authorities into releasing their records on Obama. (As Chessoni told TWI, Kenya has no such records.) There has never been a constitutional challenge to the identity and eligibility of a sitting President of the United States, Taitz wrote in her filing, and so there are no direct precedents regarding this matter, but it is fairly safe to say that the potential consequences and fallout from this present filing being made public will be severe and significant, even though the undersigned counsel makes absolutely no pre-judgment or prediction regarding the actual authenticity of the document of which only a color copy taken by a camera at an odd angle, which is attached herein as Exhibit A. Taitzs stunt has confused and alienated other Obama skeptics. Michael Patrick Leahy, the conservative activist behind Top Conservatives on Twitter (#tcot), wondered why the attorney published the document online instead of verifying the claims herself. Ms. Taitz is asking a Federal Judge to authorize a fishing expedition for documents pertaining to President Obamas birth that might exist in the Governmental files of the Republic of Kenya, and she fails to offer any evidence as to the origin of the digital image upon which this request is based? The Kenyan birth certificate has made skeptics out of people like Leahy and Kreep. Two of Taitzs original plaintiffs, Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, both associates of Alan Keyes during his presidential campaign, were removed from her latest filing after seeking new representation. But according to G. Dana Hobart, a California attorney who testifies on legal ethics, Taitz may not feel any repercussions in California for introducing a forged and anonymously-obtained document as evidence in a high-profile lawsuit. If you have a reasonable belief in the accuracy of the document, you dont have the frame of mind to be committing defamation, said Hobart. The only value to this kind of crap is that it gets play in the media, it keeps the false ball bouncing, and gives the story more credibility simply by getting it more coverage.
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#4. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)
Taking just a few of the errors on this list: Obama has produced the one and only kind of birth certificate that the Hawaii Health Dept is currently issuing for anyone born in Hawaii. They may have used a different form decades ago, but this is the form they're using now - partly because of relatively recent privacy and confidentiality laws. The form cites (at the bottom) section of Hawaiian law that say clearly that this birth document is the legal equivalent of any other Hawaiian birth certificate and can be used as evidence the same way. The Health Dept director and even the (Republican) Governor have attested that the document made public by Obama is the genuine article. FactCheck.org made a point of examining Obama's document personally and making their own photographs. Their photos show the certificate's serial number (it was blacked out on the copies initially issued by the Obama office because an Obama staffer was worried that this number was a Social Security Number or something similar that might be used in identity theft. It turns out that it's just the serial number of the certificate page and the FactCheck photo shows the number. The FactCheck photos also clearly show the impression seal of the Hawaii Health Dept, photographed obliquely to show the impression in the paper. It's a fantasy that Obama is spending a fortune fighting these court cases. Usually the courts throw the cases out without Obama's side having to file anything. In some instances where a lawyer has appeared for Obama, it turns out to be a lawyer who supported him in his campaign, and who is doing this as a freebee. The Executive Order issued by Obama was for the preservation of Presidential records -- that is to say, White House records, not the records of a state health dept or a school. This Executive Order only updated an older Exec Order issued after the Iran-Contra scandal, and here it was the best and quickest move Obama could make to preserve the Dubya Administration's secret memos on Sept 11th and on the Iraq invasion, etc. The very fact that someone cooked up this rather obviously fake Kenya document is indicative that the people who made it, and the people (like Orly Taitz) who are now publicizing it, KNOW with certainty that no real non-American birth document for Obama is going to pop up to expose this as a forgery.
A lie from the first sentence onward? Are you all that desperate already?
#15. To: bluegrass (#14)
I actually corresponded by e-mail with the Hawaii Health Dept. The so-called Short Form is all they're issuing to any Hawaiian. The only way they will produce a long form is by court order -- Hawaiian law tells them so. I had plowed this ground with other birthers, so, yes, by now my arguments can be tightly written.
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