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Title: Fewer Than Half of Returning Vets Seeking Help For PTSD
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URL Source: http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=3683
Published: Aug 7, 2009
Author: Sherwood Ross
Post Date: 2009-08-07 10:41:37 by christine
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Veterans returning from the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are displaying many of the same post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms of troops that fought in Viet Nam, yet most do not seek treatment.

“I’m not an alarmist but I think this is a serious problem,” Dr. Matthew Friedman, executive director of the Department of Veterans Affairs’ National Center for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder(PTSD), wrote in The New England Journal of Medicine.

Referring to a 2004 study of 6,201 returned service members who had been on active duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Friedman said most “apparently were afraid to seek assistance for fear that a scarlet P would doom their careers.”

Although one in eight veterans reported PTSD, the survey showed that “less than half of those with problems sought help, mostly out of fear of being stigmatized or hurting their careers,” the Associated Press reported.

“Once called shell shock or combat fatigue, PTSD can develop after witnessing or experiencing a traumatic event. Symptoms include flashbacks, nightmares, feelings of detachment, irritability, trouble concentrating and sleeplessness,” AP said.

Symptoms of major depression, anxiety or PTSD were reported by about 16 to 17 percent of though who served in Iraq.

Findings by the National Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Survey showed 35.8 percent of male Vietnam combat veterans in the late 1980s suffered from PTSD at the time, almost 20 years after their war experience, said Dr. Jonathan Shay, a psychiatrist at the Department of Veterans Affairs Outpatient Clinic, Boston.

In an article in The Long Term View, the magazine of the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover, Shay wrote that Vietnam combat veterans have been hospitalized for physical problems about six times more often than troops that did not fight in Vietnam and are three times more likely to have been “both homeless and vagrant” than their civilian counterparts.

Shay is a recipient of a John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation “genius” award for his work in this area.

“The supposedly traditional idea of honoring returning veterans ran afoul of deep divisions over the justice and wisdom of the war as a whole, making honor to the veterans seem an endorsement of the war policy,” Shay writes. Many veterans suffer from lingering doubts about the rightness of the war, causing some to feel deeply dishonored even as they accepted medals for bravery. Concern over the “rightness” of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may be producing similar doubts among veterans today.

“Many Vietnam veterans continue to sleep in the same way they did in combat, on their backs with weapons, facing the door or window, ready to attack. For the veteran with unhealed PTSD, no place is familiar enough to completely shed combat vigilance,” Shay notes.

“Over time the combat veteran’s body may seem to have turned against him. He begins to suffer not only from insomnia and agitation but also from numerous types of somatic symptoms,” Shay writes. Common ones are “Tension headaches, gastrointestinal disturbances, skin disorders, and abdominal, back, or neck pain.” He adds that “demoralization is pervasive, encompassing a sense that their bodies are not working right, that they have lost their capacity to think, that they are helpless, hopeless, and full of dread.”

Soldiers who were traumatized in combat may also lose authority over memory. “Amnesia is common for traumatic events,” Shay writes, explaining, “In amnesia the trauma survivor has no authority over his memories of events because they cannot be recalled at will like ordinary memory. On the contrary, memory has authority over him.”

Shay goes on to say, “We must bear in mind that when the traumatic moment (of a firefight, for example) reoccurs as flashback or nightmare, the emotions of terror, grief, and rage may be merged with each other. Such emotion is relived, not remembered.” And “So long as the traumatic moment persists as a relivable nightmare, consciousness remains fixed upon it. The experiential quality of reality drains from the here-and-now; the dead are more real than the living.”

Dr. Shay contends, “Thoughts of suicide are common symptoms of combat PTSD….Many combat veterans think daily of suicide” and Vietnam veterans assert that “twice as many of their brethren have died by suicide since the war than died at the hands of the enemy.”

Therapists working with veterans, he says, use a three-stage approach pioneered by Harvard Medical School psychiatrist Judith Herman that stresses (1) establishment of safety, sobriety, and self-care; (2) trauma-centered work that constructs a personal narrative and of grieving; and (3) reconnecting with people, communities, ideals and ambitions. Herman is the author of “Trauma and Recovery” (Basic Books).

The psychiatrist reminds that “Acts of war generate a profound gulf between the combatant and the community he left behind. The veteran carries the taint of a killer, of blood pollution, that many cultures other than our own respond to with purification rituals. Both he and his community may question the wisdom of return. The community worries about his self-control. The veteran, knowing what he is capable of, may also fear losing control. He may fear that if people knew what he had done, they would reject him or even lock him up….Many combat veterans express the feeling that they died in Vietnam and should not have returned.”

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Veterans returning from the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are displaying many of the same post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms of troops that fought in Viet Nam, yet most do not seek treatment.

They are the smart ones, get away and stay the hell away from anything...military and government.

Have done with part of your life, do it on your own, it is the ONLY way.

Recall the young man on active duty with gall bladder removal that lost both legs???? Well he gets $800 a month now for life.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-07   10:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom, christine (#1)

They are the smart ones, get away and stay the hell away from anything...military and government.

Absolutely agree! A voice of wisdom that has been there and done that.

I think those that send them to war don't really care about what they go through once home again.

Hell, $800.00 a month won't even pay rent let alone help him to survive.

Everyone should remember the same ones who provide the vets health care want to provide ours as well!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-07   11:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: phantom patriot (#2)

I have dozens of horror stories from family and friends, plus my own, from WW2 and Korea.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-07   11:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

I have dozens of horror stories from family and friends, plus my own, from WW2 and Korea.

I'm sure you do. At another venue I would love to hear them. Not because I enjoy horror stories but for the knowledge I would gain from them.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-07   11:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

There are a number of reasons such a small proportion of Iraq/Afghan vets claim PTSD.

One is that the VA itself has, for decades, been notoriously unhelpful about helping with PTSD. Until a dozen years ago the VA insisted that any psychiatric diagnosis be made on the basis of an edition of the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual that was already out of print when it adopted the rule requiring it. That obsolete edition had only very sketchy (and sometimes incorrect) information about PTSD. The VA finally adopted the revised edition - - just as it was being replaced by an altogether new edition by the publisher, so the VA is still an edition behind the rest of the psychiatric profession.

The VA has also been lackluster in curing PTSD; its treatment usually consists of little more than doping patients up and keeping them doped, sometimes to the point where they cannot maintain good work habits.

There is, additionally, the stigma of being diagnosed with mental illness, even if the vet gets monetary compensation for it. Some of these vets face the very real risk of being stop-lossed or redeployed at some future date, and being called back to duty under a psychiatric cloud could create more trouble for them.

Another reason seems peculiar to the type of warfare in this current conflict. Those roadside bombs are capable of causing organic brain damage -- not psychiatric harm but physical injury to the brain -- something like Shaken Baby Syndrome. Medical science - in or out of the VA - is poorly equipped to deal with this, and the VA has sometimes decided to treat it as emotional illness, and dope it up, rather than concede it is organic brain injury that is disabling and incurable (thereby costing the VA more in compensation). Part of this is because the Pentagon uses this phony diagnosis on soldiers still in active duty, to avoid admitting that the Army has inadequately protected them from low-tech guerilla weapons.

Shoonra  posted on  2009-08-07   12:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#0)

Referring to a 2004 study of 6,201 returned service members who had been on active duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Friedman said most “apparently were afraid to seek assistance for fear that a scarlet P would doom their careers.”

They're right. Among other things, reporting PTSD may threaten their right to own guns.

“Over time the combat veteran’s body may seem to have turned against him. He begins to suffer not only from insomnia and agitation but also from numerous types of somatic symptoms,” Shay writes. Common ones are “Tension headaches, gastrointestinal disturbances, skin disorders, and abdominal, back, or neck pain.” He adds that “demoralization is pervasive, encompassing a sense that their bodies are not working right, that they have lost their capacity to think, that they are helpless, hopeless, and full of dread.”

Maybe it's because they were also exposed to Frankenvaccines and to dangerous handling of toxic substances. But this MacArthur "genius" seems unaware of the possibility of that (or he knows they don't hand out awards to anyone who reveals such information to the sheeple).

And of course, many of us find that we also have problems with getting enough sleep or gastro or neck or back pain even if we didn't serve in the military. It's called "aging". Gee, maybe I'm a MacArthur "genius" too.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-08-07   12:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Shoonra (#5)

Part of this is because the Pentagon uses this phony diagnosis on soldiers still in active duty, to avoid admitting that the Army has inadequately protected them from low-tech guerilla weapons.

More of our "love for the troops".

Seriously, you should only let young people you hate go into the military. I'm not sure I know anyone I hate enough to encourage them to enlist.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-08-07   12:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Shoonra. all (#5)

Part of this is because the Pentagon uses this phony diagnosis on soldiers still in active duty, to avoid admitting that the Army has inadequately protected them from low-tech guerrilla weapons.

I don't know of any way they could ever be protected from the low-tech weapons, unless they just stayed holed up in the GreenZone forever.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-08-07   12:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#0)

Veterans returning from the fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are displaying many of the same post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms of troops that fought in Viet Nam, yet most do not seek treatment.

That is because word gets around. They know that all the government will do is put them on drugs and take away their rights now that they have been "labeled".

If I were a returning Vet the last thing I would do is turn myself in to the Psychs working for the VA.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-07   12:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#6)

Maybe it's because they were also exposed to Frankenvaccines and to dangerous handling of toxic substances. But this MacArthur "genius" seems unaware of the possibility of that (or he knows they don't hand out awards to anyone who reveals such information to the sheeple).

Exactly - it would be bad for recruitment. Nobody wants to run off and be a "hero" only to die a slow lingering, debilitating, death from being used as an experimental animal and exposure to Depleted Uranium.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-07   12:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

last thing I would do

The first thing you would do is...RUN THE HELL AWAY...

Cynicom  posted on  2009-08-07   12:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#6)

They're right. Among other things, reporting PTSD may threaten their right to own guns.

Exactly right!

winston_smith  posted on  2009-08-07   13:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#11)

last thing I would do

The first thing you would do is...RUN THE HELL AWAY...

Damn straight - and fast too.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-07   13:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#1)

Recall the young man on active duty with gall bladder removal that lost both legs???? Well he gets $800 a month now for life.

Recall that mclame gets about $80,000 a year plus his senatorial pay. Outrageous considering he collaborated with the North Vietnamese and help seal the fate of Pow/Mia's from that war. An act of a cowardly traitor.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-08-07   13:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Exactly - it would be bad for recruitment. Nobody wants to run off and be a "hero" only to die a slow lingering, debilitating, death from being used as an experimental animal and exposure to Depleted Uranium.

Are you sure? I see ads about heroic Armies Of One (LOL) and those cool video game like commercials where they're just flying predator drones around and killing people from a nice control room that looks like a video game junkie's basement lair. I think all the jobs in our military are just like that, like a long vacation with really cool Playstations to mess with.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-08-07   15:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: phantom patriot (#2)

Hell, $800.00 a month won't even pay rent let alone help him to survive

bump

"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost." - Dante's Inferno

IndieTX  posted on  2009-08-07   15:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#0)

Fewer Than Half of Returning Vets Seeking Help For PTSD

Well, one prime reason that fewer than half are claiming PTSD is that PTSD is not really the problem for more than half. A very considerable chunk of vets, from Iraq/Afghan, as well as from earlier wars, are not claiming any ailments at all, apparently coming home healthy in mind and body, Thank God.

Of those claiming to have ailments, a very considerable number are primarily concerned with PHYSICAL ailments -- amputations, injuries, infections and the like. Now, it may be that those who were injured also have some psychological problem (which could include PTSD) associated with the event in which they were injured, but for the moment at least their focus is only on the physical injury.

Quite a bit of the mental problems exhibited by some Iraq vets is not emotional trouble such as PTSD, but straightforward PHYSICAL injury to the brain caused by those roadside bombs. VA hospitals -- and, let's be fair, even the best private and university hospitals -- are unable to undo most of this physical brain damage.

So PTSD might, in theory, be present in a lot of vets, but their immediate claims for treatment and compensation are for physical impairments.

Shoonra  posted on  2009-08-08   12:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Shoonra (#17)

you make valid points, however, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the number suffering PTS were in actuality higher. i would think anyone with a conscience after being in the arena would suffer psychologically from what they see and experience.

christine  posted on  2009-08-08   12:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine (#18)

it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the number suffering PTS were in actuality higher. i would think anyone with a conscience after being in the arena would suffer psychologically from what they see and experience.

They are higher. The troops in combat are put on anti-depressants and sent out to fight. It's the big boon to "assist" troops who are suffering stop losses. If a soldier says he can't take anymore, the pills are doled out and he never misses a shift. This masks the PTS because they are medicated and, once medicated, there is no need to seek any further assistance, right?

Soldiers used to get some counceling, now they just get pills or a cocktail of pills. Pills that have side-effects like suicidal and homicidal tendencies. The homicidal tendency might be a boon when fighting an enemy, but not so good here at home. It's disgusting how the Pentegon and Big Pharma have united to dope the troops and conceal the horrific human cost of continual rounds of combat missions.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-08   12:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Exactly - it would be bad for recruitment. Nobody wants to run off and be a "hero" only to die a slow lingering, debilitating, death from being used as an experimental animal and exposure to Depleted Uranium.

And that's about what they have to look forward to in our VA hospitals too.

I worked with numerous earlier veteran's pops. From my experience the WWI's had the greatest incidence of PTSD. I heard eighty years olds screaming in their sleep about "going over the top". And complaining about having 60 years of nightmares of being gassed in the trenches.

mininggold  posted on  2009-08-08   13:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: abraxas (#19)

It's disgusting how the Pentegon and Big Pharma have united to dope the troops and conceal the horrific human cost of continual rounds of combat missions.

The veteran population has been looked upon for years by researchers as a cohort ripe for experimentation. One of the biggest sources of money for the VA is research paid for by various entities, often without the knowledge or consent of the researched subjects.

mininggold  posted on  2009-08-08   13:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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