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History See other History Articles Title: American Atrocities in Germany From The Progressive, February 1949, p. 21f Next > Poster Comment: More at source. We're still doing the same kinds of things. Same shit, different countries. .
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So much for the myth of the "good war" and the "greatest generation". The more I learn of the true history of WWII, and what occurred at the hands of the "noble" allies afterward, the uglier and sicker it becomes. Of course the atrocities began before the official end with such as the needless fire bombing of Dresden - which specifically targeted civilians, but what the hey? It's war - right?
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Agreed. The more we thought we knew, the less we really know. "Patriots" would call us traitors for saying things like this. Dresden, Tokyo, Coventry, all war crimes. But we "won" so we write the history, and the facts be damned. There's a lot of info at that site. I'm not too sure about the somewhat racist overtones of that site though. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
Germans that lived through these times have frequently told me that "as long as the trains were running" things for civilians were, relatively speaking and if a bomb hadn't crashed through you chimney, somewhat normal. Somewhat normal in that there was stuff to eat and warm clothing to wear. You could get on with your life. I hope that we can avoid going (further) down the path of war that the Germans felt themselves contrained to walk. Right now an American soldier can rape a girl and burn an Iraqi house down and expect a fair trial, should he have the bad luck to be called to account for it. He may, in fact even walk. If we get into a serious war though and bugger it as badly as we bugger the brushfire conflicts that we fight, it may not be American courts judging our men. I sincerely hope that we quit walking the warpath while there's still stuff on the shelves and the "trains are still running." I hate to stretch the analogy too far, but that's the direction that I see us heading.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. OI... Remember the A-Bomb was developed for use against the Germans, not the Japanese. You well know the whys and wherefores.
The Germans, based on what I have read, were only months away from building their own. In fact had the heavy water plant not been bombed they probably would have won the race.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
OI... Albert Speer in his book maintains that Germany was never close to an A-bomb. The problem was the bomb itself, plus they had no means to deliver it. In fact Speer tried to speed up research with unlimited money but the scientists were in no hurry. Unlike our people, they had no one they wanted to use it on. Speer was an enigmatic character, perhaps you read his book.
The Germans made a bunch of mistakes in their basic calculations and in their reactor design and construction. Some of the German scientists actually downplayed the significance of their work because if the necessary resources had been devoted to it, they would have been answerable for a huge effort that they feared could not have been completed before the end of the war. The government and the military wouldn't have been very forgiving of the lack of results.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. When did Speer study Nuclear Physics? I say that tongue in cheek simply because he is not technically qualified to make that statement.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Some of the German scientists actually downplayed the significance of their work because if the necessary resources had been devoted to it, they would have been answerable for a huge effort that they feared could not have been completed before the end of the war. The government and the military wouldn't have been very forgiving of the lack of results. They didn't have Einstein. However, the basic theory existed and eventually they would have been able to make one. Whether before the end of the war is of course another matter.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
As important as he was, the significance of his contribution with regard to nuclear physics was well understood by 1938. By that time it was others that had been run off that were of much greater importance to the American effort. He was key though in lighting the fuse under FDR. What they did't have was Bohr, Fermi, Szilard, Frisch and Meitner to name a few. And the Germans errors that crippled their program. Boron impurities in the graphite of their undersized graphite block reactor for example caused them to miscalcate the behavior of neutrons in that medium. Werner Heisenberg overestimated the amount of U235 necessary for critical mass by a couple of orders of magnitude. Then the allies bombed the crap out of their research facilities. The Germans were also hamstrung by nazi bureaucracy. The rest is history.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Speer was the worlds first technocrat, in that vein he had a hand in many scientific ventures that were ahead of the rest of the world. Leaders in helicopters, jets, missiles,and many other fields, he was first to use uranium in bullets, not the US. He alone could have stopped the war years before, but could not bring himself to kill Hitler.
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