4um: Why Are Internment Camps Being Built (Chuck Baldwin)

Title: Why Are Internment Camps Being Built (Chuck Baldwin)
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Published: Aug 10, 2009
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2009-08-10 22:22:51 by christine
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The Internet is abuzz with news about the construction of internment camps all across America. Of course, "mainstream" media outlets refuse to touch the subject; or if they do, they pooh-pooh the story; they do what Glenn Beck recently did: try to debunk the story as fallacious and impugn people who speak of it as "conspiracy nuts." The fact that the Becks, Hannitys, Limbaughs, and O'Reillys of the media circus refuse to deal with the construction of large numbers of internment camps does not make them disappear, however.

For starters, all anyone need do to begin a serious investigation of the subject of internment camps is Google the phrase "FEMA Camps." There is more than enough evidence in that search engine alone to keep one busy with some in-depth private investigation of the subject for quite a while.

As people read my columns all across America, I have had numerous readers contact me, saying that they have personally witnessed the transportation of construction materials used for internment camps, have actually worked in and around them, or have personally seen such camps. These eyewitness testimonies have come from very credible people, including law enforcement and military personnel, as well as airline pilots and construction workers.

Just a few weeks ago, I was aboard a cross-country flight when the passenger I was sitting next to (a total stranger) asked me to take a look out the window. He asked, "Do those look like internment camps to you?" I was astonished that the man (1) would even know to notice such a potentiality, and (2) would be so bold as to ask such a question of a total stranger. I must say, I was extremely happy to make his acquaintance. And we had a very warm and invigorating discussion the rest of the trip.

We were flying over Colorado, over extreme wilderness terrain, and, yes, right in the middle of nowhere, the buildings and surrounding features that I saw sure looked like internment camps to me. Of course, flying at over 30,000 feet in the sky makes it difficult for any kind of detailed analysis to take place; that is for sure.

This is an advertisement by the National Guard promoting the Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) of "Internment/Resettlement Specialist." Question: why does the National Guard need to recruit Internment/Resettlement Specialists? What do they know that we should know?

Furthermore, I have had military personnel tell me that many of the US military bases that have been recently "closed" are also being prepared as large-scale "holding areas."

Obviously, the question that begs to be asked is, "Who is the US government planning to intern and resettle?" And another question is, "How many people are they planning to intern that would require the massive number of camps that are apparently being constructed?"

Some suggest that these facilities are being prepared for large numbers of illegal immigrants. This seems extremely doubtful, however, considering the propensity of the federal government to (1) do next to nothing to seriously curtail the flood of illegal aliens into America, (2) do virtually nothing to apprehend illegals known to be in the US, and (3) do everything it can to facilitate the release of those illegals incarcerated by State and local authorities. To think that the federal government intends to place thousands of illegal aliens in internment camps borders on lunacy. If anything, the federal government (with either Democrats or Republicans in charge) has done everything it can to (1) entice illegals to come to America, and (2) provide every incentive for them to stay illegally in this country after having entered. I feel safe in saying that we can eliminate the possibility that these camps are being prepared for illegal aliens.

Others suggest that these internment camps are being constructed to accommodate "enemy combatants" from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Yet, the total number of these types of detainees is miniscule compared to the detention space being constructed. Can one really imagine the need to build facilities that could accommodate prisoners numbering in the tens of thousands to house a few hundred foreign troops? I don't think so.

Then, of course, there are those who continue to deny that these internment camps exist at all. But then, were there not thousands of Germans who denied the existence of concentration camps during World War II? These types of people would refuse to believe the sun came up in the east if the government spinmeisters told them it didn't.

That our federal government is building large numbers of "holding areas" or internment camps seems to be an established fact. The only questions that remain are "Why?" and "For whom?"

At this point, the imagination can take us anywhere, but it is not a little disconcerting when the same federal government that is building these internment camps begins categorizing Christians, conservatives, people who support the Second Amendment, people who oppose abortion and homosexual marriage, people who oppose the North American Union and the New World Order, people who oppose the United Nations and illegal immigration, and people who voted for Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin as "extremists," or "potential dangerous militia members."

Anyone knows that before a government can begin persecuting and imprisoning large groups of people, they must first marginalize them. As someone said, "Just because you are paranoid does not mean they really aren't trying to get you."

In fact, an argument could be made that by today's politically correct definition, America's Founding Fathers would be categorized as "paranoid," "extremists," or "potential dangerous militia members." I would even go so far as to question the patriotism of anyone today that is not a little paranoid. This federal government has certainly earned whatever paranoia citizens feel.

Feelings of paranoia notwithstanding, why is the federal government constructing large numbers of internment camps, and who does the government plan on incarcerating in those camps? Those questions still need to be answered.

P.S. If you live within driving distance of Oklahoma City, or Tulsa, Oklahoma, I will be appearing at several events in this area this Thursday and Friday, August 13 and 14. I would love to meet any of my readers who could attend these meetings. For details, go here.

Well, the government will probably start off grabbing and incarcerating all of us www.freedom4um.com members.

Ok, they might let us have a last cigarette before they shoot us. That is the "custom" isn't it.?

"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost." - Dante's Inferno

Two of the funniest bits in stooge history in this clip. One at the beginning and one at the end, both with curly.

"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost." - Dante's Inferno

The U.S. government, under a program called REX 84, runs approximately 3,708 detention camps nationwide. They are all fully operational and ready to recieve prisoners should the US government institute matial law.

The Rex 84 Program was initially established as a way to deal with a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossing the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency). Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

All 9/11 Truthers, Ron Paul supporters, and all who resist the New World Order are on the "red list", and will be detained and executed in FEMA concentration camps two weeks before martial law is declared. We will be placed in the plastic coffin bins seen in this video. For an aerial view of these coffins, look it up in google maps (maps.google.com) or google earth by pasting in the following coordinates:

This facility is located off Lions Club Road in Madison, GA. They allegedly will not answer inquiries about the purported use of the boxes.

These coffins are stacked on pallets, upside down on each other (about 17 per pallet). Apparently the Government is expecting one million people to die relatively soon, and the Atlanta Airport is a major airline traffic hub, probably the biggest in the country, which means Georgia is a prime base to conduct military operations and coordination. It is also the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control. One million plastic coffins "just in case something happens". When has our government every been so efficient?

There are over 3,700 FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) camps over the United States all fully staffed and operational, just waiting to take in the noncompliant population under the appropriate circumstances.

Don't be a fool - if you do not get out now, you have no excuse when martial law is declared - you've been forewarned. Good luck!

i've been somewhat agnostic on these camps, but when Chuck Baldwin writes about them, i sit up and take notice.

From a search of the web a few days ago, I discovered that our government has also been ordering the manufacture and is stockpiling rail passenger cars equipted with shackles.

Almost a year ago from today, SOMEONE.?? deployed COINTELPRO AT ME, BY THE BOOK. That COINTELPRO TERRORIST OPERATION SEEMED LIKE IT WAS DEPLOYED BY MY LOCAL COPS. IT LASTED FOR ALMOST FOUR MONTHS.

It ALSO included many of my best friends dying under mysterious circumstances or committing suicide, which is part of COINTELPRO.

In Feb, family members committed flagrant perjury on a complaint to the local courts, and I was taken to a "psikhushka" mental hospital for 6 days where I was drugged.

"THEY" tried to make me a "VEG" with inappropriate hi dosage prescription meds, BUT I flushed the poisens down the camode.

SINCE THEN, I've converted to Buddhism. SO, NO SWINE FLU VACCINATIONS, AND NO MORE DRUGS, SINCE A BUDDHIST MUST STAY "PURE in MIND and BODY".

The International Swine Flu Conference [ http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf ] is being held in Washington D.C. next week, just two weeks after the conference on weight control that I wrote about last week. Here’s a summary of it:

Top leaders and key decision-makers of major companies representing a broad range of industries will meet with distinguished scientists, public health officials, law enforcers, first responders, and other experts to discuss pandemic prevention, preparedness, response and recovery at the 1st International Swine Flu Summit.

Read the agenda for the breakout sessions, especially the session on “psychological issues” (Session #2) and the topic heading: “Unwillingness to follow government orders.” Also note session #6, which includes “Control and diffuse social unrest & public disorder” and “Isolate prisons and other facilities.”

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

H. R. 645To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

January 22, 2009Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.

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A BILL To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations. (b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure– (1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster; (2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders; (3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not- for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and (4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers. (b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be– (1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster; (2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center; (3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures; (4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods; (5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs; (6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows: (A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and (B) the other shall be used daily for training; and (7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster. (c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas: (1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III. (2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV. (3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII. (4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI. (5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X. (6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX. (d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers. (e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation. (f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center. (g) Reports- (1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site– (A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected; (B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site; (C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site; (D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and (E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f). (2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site– (A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1); (B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e); (C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and (D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site. (3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site– (A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e); (B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and (C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site. (4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act. SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION. This Act does not affect– (1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or (2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency. SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS. There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended. SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS. In this Act, the following definitions apply: (1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements: (A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor. (B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities. (C) Is located near a major metropolitan center. (2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122). (3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122). (4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).

Did you get all that? Well, you didn't have to. It's pretty clear in the second section that FEMA camps, which have quite obviously existed for a long time (Google REX84), are now legal for any purpose as determined by the Dept of Himeland Security. Including death camps, if the DHS says so!

Combine this with the executive powers created during the Bush administration, and all of the following would be legal:

- Declaring a National Emergency of any kind - Arresting any American citizen without a warrant, seizing guns, detaining people indefinitely under 'terrorism' charges, which is now defined as, among other things, any act deemed to have the intention of threatening others (ie just about any small-time offence). Read section #802 of the United States Code which was amended by the USA PATRIOT Act. - Detaining people in FEMA camps 'for their safety' indefinitely - Declaring the President dictator (which automatically happens in a state of national emergency) - Even, potentially, killing citizens 'charged' with 'terrorism'.

But most people will, unfortunately, still believe this doesn't exist. It's just a hoax by conspiracy nuts.

Did you know local residents were generally not aware of the Nazi death camps during WW2 that were on their doorstep? Or that most of the Jews, blacks, 'criminals', gypsies, homosexuals, etc. had no idea where the train was taking them? Ignorance is bliss, I guess. That comfortable doubt that government could ever do something so awful. But as the laws stand, they could if they wanted.

http://www.welfarestate.com/pamphlet/ The infamous FBI terrorism pamphlet. Amongst those who are now terrorists are people concerned with animal rights, people who refer to defending America from the UN, people who refuse to identify themselves (even though they have no constitutional obligation to do so), people with "Christian identity", and "individuals who make numerous references to the US Constitution".

Who is the terrorist? YOU ARE! Now go to the 'love camps' and the 'fun camps' and remember that government still loves you. Lovely lovely gas chamber!

Source: http://politically-confused.blogspot.com/2009/01/urgent-fema-camps-for- real.html

Funding to use existing old decommissioned army bases (for one) as internment camps was done at least earlier than 1997. I saw a letter dated 1997 on Congressional letterhead acknowledging this fact.

"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark,
For the straightforward pathway had been lost." - Dante's Inferno

Yeah right. Here is what those "sources" do: They copy and paste the same BS "information". They all found it on the internet so it must be true, right?

There's supposedly 600-800 of these camps FULLY STAFFED just waiting for us inmates, depending on who one listens to.

Not saying they dont have these plans. But I have yet to see one shred of proof that they exist NOW.

Is there ONE camp located somewhere that you might take a photo of that has a sign saying...INTERNMENT CAMP...very unlikely.

Go back to 1941...In a matter of a few months ten internment camps were opened for Japanese Americans.

ON Dec 8..THOUSANDS...of German suspects were rounded up in a matter of hours and interned.

If you look across the the country there is in being many former military installations that are currently in mothballs so to speak. Everything is kept in order for needed future military needs.

Did they build those camps before or after 12/7/41? You said after, so the camps did not exist prior.

Is there ONE camp located somewhere that you might take a photo of that has a sign saying...INTERNMENT CAMP...very unlikely.

But a camp, fully staffed, with no inmates, and you don't need a "Internment Camp" sign. Like Bill Engvall says, "There's your sign".

Which makes more sense? Having these described camps now, or building the camps when they are needed? I bet it could be built in a week. It's not as if they will have trouble finding laborers, you know...

These people, including Baldwin, are crying "WOLF!". Then, when the real wolf comes along, people won't believe it. All .gov has to do is point out what these rats have said in the past and how idiotic is all was, and that the freshly built camps are really really nice with volleyball, golf, fishing and a GREAT buffet!

Those are probably the coffin liners, not coffins. I went there and it is probably that site in GA that Jones put on his site.

If a company makes coffin liners, doesn't it make sense that they will have coffin liners on the property?

Once a company starts a production run like this, they dont stop until they are done. It goes 24/7 when they are molding plastic. They will store extra product, on site if they have the room. I've been to many places that do this, it's not unusual.

Evelyn Hernandez (Facility Administrator)

Evelyn Hernandez began working for CCA in 1997 with Correctional Services of Puerto Rico, Guayama. She also worked as Training Manager at Ponce Adult Correctional Facility in Ponce, Puerto Rico, and Manager of Quality Assurance at the Facility Support Center in Nashville, Tennessee, before assuming the position as Assistant Warden of Programs at the Idaho Correctional Center in 2004. Her extensive background in training and quality assurance has greatly assisted her transition into her new position at the T. Don. Hutto Residential Center as Facility Administrator.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement

Taylor is centrally located on U.S. Highway 79 and State Highway 95, about 20 miles northeast of Austin. Taylor is a vibrant growing community of over 15, 000. Taylor offers the many amenities associated with close proximity to a Metropolitan area.

Chamber of Commerce YMCA

General Visitation: Saturday & Sunday 8:00am to 5:00pm

Legal Visitation: Monday - Friday 8:00am to 8:00pm Saturday & Sunday 8:00am to 5:00pm

From Austin: Take Hwy 71W to 183N. Follow to I-35N. Go north on I-35 take exit 253 toward US-79 Taylor. Turn right on Howard Street (off Hwy-79 in Taylor). Turn right onto Welch Street.

That is a far cry from being a FEMA concentration camp. They even allow visitors. And they take your phone calls.

To be fair, Alex Jones is trying to get in shape. He mentions working out on a treadmill a lot.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Come on... That is the same map on scribd. All it shows is a bunch of blue dots.

Is there some way to download that info from scribd to use in google earth? If so, I could not find it.

I would dearly love to know where those blue dots lead to. I live rather close to one of them. I have a good idea what that dot represents.

Perhaps you recall the exchange between Cong. Jack Brooks and Oliver North during the Iran/Contra hearings.

This is it...Long read but the meat about FEMA and the camps is very interesting. Mind you the hearings were to expose Reagan and the government of their shdowy doings, yet it was the democrats that protected them.

What follows is the complete text of the original article as printed in the Miami Herald for July 5, 1987:

WASHINGTON -- Some of President Reagan's top advisers have operated a virtual parallel government outside the traditional Cabinet departments and agencies almost from the day Reagan took office, congressional investigators and administration officials have concluded.

Investigators believe that the advisers' activities extended well beyond the secret arms sales to Iran and aid to the contras now under investigation.

Lt. Col. Oliver North, for example, helped draw up a controversial plan to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad.

When the attorney general at the time, William French Smith, learned of the proposal, he protested in writing to North's boss, then-national security adviser Robert McFarlane.

The advisers conducted their activities through secret contacts throughout the government with persons who acted at their direction but did not officially report to them.

The activities of those contacts were coordinated by the National Security Council, the officials and investigators said.

There appears to have been no formal directive for the advisers' activities, which knowledgeable sources described as a parallel government.

In a secret assessment of the activities, the lead counsel for the Senate Iran- contra committee called it a "secret government-within-a-government."

The arrangement permitted Reagan administration officials to claim that they were not involved in controversial or illegal activities, the officials said.

"It was the ultimate plausible deniability," said a well-briefed official who has served the Reagan administration since 1982 and who often collaborated on covert assistance to the Nicaraguan contras.

The roles of top-level officials and of Reagan himself are still not clear. But that is expected to be a primary topic when North appears before the Iran- contra committees beginning Tuesday. Special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh also is believed to be trying to prove in his investigation of the Iran-contra affair that government officials engaged in a criminal conspiracy.

Much of the time, Cabinet secretaries and their aides were unaware of the advisers' activities. When they periodically detected operations, they complained or tried to derail them, interviews show.

But no one ever questioned the activities in a broad way, possibly out of a belief that the advisers were operating with presidential sanction, officials said.

Reagan did know of or approve at least some of the actions of the secret group, according to previous accounts by aides, friends and high-ranking foreign officials.

One such case is the 1985 visit to Libya by William Wilson, then-U.S. ambassador to the Vatican and a close Reagan friend, to meet with Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi, officials said last week. Secretary of State George Shultz rebuked Wilson, but the officials said Reagan knew of the trip in advance.

The heart of the secret structure from 1983 to 1986 was North's office in the Old Executive Office Building adjacent to the White House, investigators believe.

North's influence within the secret structure was so great, the sources said, that he was able to have the orbits of sophisticated surveillance satellites altered to follow Soviet ships around the world, call for the launching of high- flying spy aircraft on secret missions over Cuba and Nicaragua and become involved in sensitive domestic activities.

Others in the structure included some of Reagan's closest friends and advisers, including former national security adviser William Clark, the late CIA Director William Casey and Attorney General Edwin Meese, officials and investigators said.

Congressional investigators said the Iran deal was just one of the group's initiatives. They say exposure of the unusual arrangement may be the legacy of their inquiry.

"After we establish that a policy decision was made at the highest levels to transfer responsibility for contra support to the NSC..., we favor examining how that decision was implemented," wrote Arthur Liman, chief counsel of the Senate committee, in a secret memorandum to panel leaders Sens. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, and Warren Rudman, R- N.H., before hearings began May 5.

"This is the part of the story that reveals the whole secret government-within- a-government, operated from the [Executive Office Building] by a Lt. Col., with its own army, air force, diplomatic agents, intelligence operatives and appropriations capacity," Limon wrote in the memo, parts of which were shared with The Herald.

A spokesman for Liman declined comment but did not dispute the memo's existence.

A White House official rejected the notion that any of Reagan's advisers were operating secretly.

"The president has constantly expressed his foreign policy positions to the public and has consulted with the Congress," the official said.

Congressional investigators and current and former officials interviewed -- members of the CIA, State Department and Pentagon -- said they still do not have a full record of the impact of the the advisers' activities.

But based on investigations and personal experience, they believe the secret governing arrangement traces its roots to the last weeks of Reagan's 1980 campaign.

Officials say the genesis may have been an October 1980 decision by Casey, Reagan's campaign manager and a former officer in the World War II precursor of the CIA, to create an October Surprise Group to monitor Jimmy Carter's feverish negotiations with Iran for the release of 52 American hostages.

The group, led by campaign foreign policy adviser Richard Allen, was founded out of concern Carter might pull off an "October surprise" such as a last- minute deal for the release of the hostages before the Nov. 4 election. One of the group's first acts was a meeting with a man claiming to represent Iran who offered to release the hostages to Reagan.

Allen -- Reagan's first national security adviser-- and another campaign aide, Laurence Silberman, told The Herald in April of the meeting. they said McFarlane, then a Senate Armed Services Committee aide, arranged and attended it. McFarlane later became Reagan's national security adviser and played a key role in the Iran-contra affair. Allen and Silberman said they rejected the offer to release the hostages to Reagan.

Congressional aides now link another well-known campaign incident -- the theft of confidential briefing materials from Carter's campaign before the Oct. 28, 1980, Carter-Reagan debate -- to the same group of advisers.

They believe that Casey obtained the briefing materials and passed them to James Baker, another top Reagan campaign aide, who was White House chief of staff in Reagan's first term.

Once Reagan was sworn in, the group moved quickly to set itself up, officials said. Within months, the advisers were clashing with officials in the traditional agencies.

Six weeks after Reagan was sworn in, apparently over State Department objections, then-CIA director Casey submitted a proposal to Reagan calling for covert support of anti-Sandinista groups that had fled Nicaragua after the 1979 revolution.

[THE IRAN-CONTRA CONNECTION: NORTH HAD BIG ROLE IN INNER CIRCLE, INVESTIGATORS SAY]

It is still unclear whether Casey cleared the plan with Reagan. But In November 1981 the CIA secretly flew an Argentine military leader, Gen. Leopoldo Galtieri, to Washington to devise a secret agreement under which Argentine military officers trained Nicaraguan rebels, according to an administration official familiar with the agreement.

About the same time, North completed his transfer to the NSC from the Marine Corps. Those who worked with North in 1981 remember his first assignments as routine, although not unimportant.

North, they recalled, was briefly assigned to carry the "football," the briefcase containing the secret contingency plans for fighting a nuclear war, which is taken everywhere the president goes. North later widened his assignment to cover national crisis contingency planning. In that capacity he became involved with the controversial national crisis plan drafted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

From 1982 to 1984, North assisted FEMA, the U.S. government's chief national crisis-management unit, in revising contingency plans for dealing with nuclear war, insurrection or massive military mobilization.

North's involvement with FEMA set off the first major clash between the official government and the advisers and led to the formal letter of protest in 1984 from then- Attorney General Smith.

But a government official familiar with North's collaboration with FEMA said then-Director Louis O. Guiffrida, a close friend of Meese's, mentioned North in meetings during that time as FEMA's NSC contact.

Guiffrida could not be reached for comment, but FEMA spokesman Bill McAda confirmed the relationship.

"Officials of FEMA met with Col. North during 1982 to 1984," McAda said. "These meetings were appropriate to Col. North's duties with the National Security Council and FEMA's responsibilities in certain areas of national security."

FEMA's clash with Smith occurred over a secret contingency plan that called for suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the United States over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law during a national crisis.

The plan did not define national crisis, but it was understood to be nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a military invasion abroad.

The official said the contingency plan was written as part of an executive order or legislative package that Reagan would sign and hold within the NSC until a severe crisis arose.

The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a June 30, 1982, memo by Guiffrida's deputy for national preparedness programs, John Brinkerhoff. A copy of the memo was obtained by The Herald.

The scenario outlined in the Brinkerhoff memo resembled somewhat a paper Guiffrida had written in 1970 at the Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., in which he advocated martial law in case of a national uprising by black militants. The paper also advocated the roundup and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of at least 21 million "American Negroes."

When he saw the FEMA plans, Attorney General Smith became alarmed. He dispatched a letter to McFarlane Aug. 2, 1984 lodging his objections and urging a delay in signing the directive.

"I believe that the role assigned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency in the revised Executive Order exceeds its proper function as a coordinating agency for emergency preparedness," Smith said in the letter to McFarlane, which The Herald obtained. "This department and others have repeatedly raised serious policy and legal objections to the creation of an 'emergency czar' role for FEMA."

It is unclear whether the executive order was signed or whether it contained the martial law plans. Congressional sources familiar with national disaster procedures said they believe Reagan did sign an executive order in 1984 that revised national military mobilization measures to deal with civilians in case of nuclear war or other crisis.

Around the time that issue was producing fireworks with the administration, McFarlane and Casey reassigned North from national crisis planning to international covert management of the contras. The transfer came after North took a personal interest, realizing that neither the State Department nor any other government agency wanted to handle the issue after it became clear early in 1984 that Congress was moving to bar official aid to the rebels.

The new assignment, plus North's natural organizational ability, creativity and the sheer energy he dedicated to the issue, gradually led to an expansion of his power and stature within the covert structure, officials and investigators believe.

Meese also was said to have played a role in the secret government, investigators now believe, but his role is less clear.

Meese sometimes referred private American citizens to the NSC so they could be screened and contacted for soliciting support for the Nicaraguan contras.

One of those supporters, Philip Mabry of Fort Worth, told The Herald earlier this year that in 1983 he was told by fellow conservatives in Texas to contact Meese, then White House counselor, if he wanted to help the contras. After he contacted Meese's office, Mabry received a letter from Meese obtained by The Herald advising him that his name had been given to the "appropriate people."

Shortly thereafter, Mabry said, a woman who identified herself as Meese's secretary gave him the name and phone number of another NSC secretary who, in turn, gave him North and his secretary, Fawn Hall, as contacts.

Meese's Justice Department spokesman, Patrick Korten, denies that Meese was part of North's secret contra supply network and notes that Meese does not recall having referred anyone to North on contra-related matters.

In addition to North's role as contra commander and fund-raiser, North became secret overseer of the State Department's Office of Public Diplomacy, through which the Reagan administration disseminated information that cast Nicaragua as a threat to its neighbors and the United States.

An intelligence source familiar with North's relationship with that office said North was directly involved in many of the best publicized news leaks, including the Nov. 4, 1984, Election Day announcement that Soviet-made MiG jet fighters were on their way to Nicaragua.

McFarlane is now believed to have been the senior administration official who told reporters that the Soviet cargo ship Bakuriani, en route to Nicaragua from a Soviet Black Sea port, was probably carrying MiGs.

The intelligence official said North apparently recommended that the information be leaked to the press on Election Day so it would reach millions of people watching election results. CBS and NBC broadcast the report that night.

The leak led to a new clash between the regular bureaucracy and the president's advisers. The official State Department spokesman, John Hughes, tried hard to play down the report, pointing out that it was unproven that the Bakuriani was carrying MiGs. At the same time, employees of the Office of Public Diplomacy, acting under North's direction, insisted that the crates were inside the ship and that MiGs were still a possibility.

To take a closer look, the source said, North requested a high-flying SR-71 Blackbird spy aircraft be sent from Beale Air Force Base near Sacramento, Calif., to fly over the Nicaraguan port of Corinto while the Bakuriani unloaded its cargo. The pictures showed that the Bakuriani unloaded helicopters, not MiGs.

North was not the only adviser who operated outside traditional government channels, investigators have concluded.

Others were known as the RIGLET, a semi-official unit made up of North; Alan Fiers, a CIA Central American affairs officer; and Elliott Abrams, the current assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs, according to Abrams' subordinate Richard Melton. Melton revealed the existence of the RIGLET in a deposition given to the Iran- contra committees. The name is a diminutive for RIG, which stands for Restricted Interagency Group.

Among the RIGLET's actions was ordering the U.S. ambassador to Costa Rica, Lewis Tambs, to assist the contras in setting up a front in southern Nicaragua. Tambs, who resigned suddenly last year after his links to North were revealed, testified about the instructions to Iran-contra investigators.

But perhaps the key to the parallel government was the role played by Reagan's second national security adviser, William Clark. It was during Clark's tenure that North began to gain influence in the NSC.

Clark also recruited several midlevel officers from the Pentagon and the CIA to work on a special Central American task force in 1983 to push aid for El Salvador, a task force member said.

"Judge Clark was the granddaddy of the system," he said. "I was working at the Pentagon on another issue when my boss said that because of special circumstances, I was to be reassigned to the task force."

A former administration official familiar with Clark's activities said Clark also had approved contacts between Vatican Ambassador Wilson and Libya before Wilson's November 1985 journey, which came after McFarlane replaced Clark at the NSC.

The former official said Wilson also had carried out secret missions for the Reagan administration in a Latin American country where Wilson reportedly maintained contacts with high-level officials. The source asked that the country not be identified because the system is still in place and had reduced tensions by circumventing the regular bureaucracies of both countries.

Mrs. wud says this stuff is too dark and sinister and now I must focus on positive and uplifting stuff.

We all well know that there is only one source for a country wide rise of insurrection.

That traitor North must have a great call screener, because not one time have I ever heard anyone calling into his show ask the rat about this. And some idiots think he is a patriot.

"Camps" were not mentioned. Even though I made the mistake of using the word "camps" in the title.

Do they have these camps planned? Probably. But probably does not equal proof. Thinking that this is "it" could lead to people being blindsided by something they did not see happening because they weren't looking for it or ready for the unexpected. They are too inflexible.

I had started to add a comment regarding Operation Garden Plot last night...I'll start with that:

The following information was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. The original printing was of June 1, 1984. The information herein is UNCLASSIFIED and does not come within the scope of directions governing the protection of information affecting the national security.

It took a little more than three years to obtain a full copy of Operation Garden Plot from the U.S. Government, and was done so under the freedom of information act for unclassified documents. The implications within the full context of this document should make the hair on the back of your head stand on end!!!!!

In this document signed by the Secretary of the Army, is hereby assigned as DOD Executive Agent for civil disturbance control operations. Under Plan 55-2 he is to use airlift and logistical support, in assisting appropriate military commanders in the 50 states, District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and US possessions and territories, or any political subdivision thereof.

Under this plan for the deployment of Operation Garden Plot, the use of CIDCON-1 will be mandatory. This direct support of civil disturbance control operations is to be used by the Army, USAF, Navy, and Marine Corp. with an airlift force to be comprised of MAC Organic Airlift Resources, airlift capable aircraft of all other USAF major commands, and all other aerial reconnaissance and Airborne Psychological Operations. This is to include control communications systems, aeromedical evacuation, helicopter and Weather Support Systems.

If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters.

Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.

Under section D, a Presidential Executive Order will authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to use the Armed Forces of the United States to restore order.

2 TAB A APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX S USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 EXHIBIT POR:SGH, JCS Pub 6, Vol 5, AFR 160-5 hereby provides for America's military and the National Guard State Partnership Program to join with United Nations personal in said operations. This links selected U.S. National Guard units with the Defense Ministries of "Partnership For Peace." This was done in an effort to provide military support to civil authorities in response to civil emergencies.

Under Presidential Decision Directive No. 25, this program serves to cement people to relationships between the citizens of the United States, and the global military of the UN establishments of the emerging democracies of Central and Eastern European countries. This puts all of our National Guardsmen under the direct jurisdiction of the United Nations.

(1) Spontaneous civil disturbances which involve large numbers of persons and/or which continue for a considerable period of time, may exceed the capacity of local civil law enforcement agencies to suppress. Although this type of activity can arise without warning as a result of sudden, unanticipated popular unrest (past riots), it may also result from more prolonged dissidence.

This would most likely be an outgrowth of serious social, political or economic issues which divide segments of the American population. Such factionalism could manifest itself through repeated demonstrations, protest marches and other forms of legitimate opposition but which would have the potential for erupting into spontaneous violence with little or no warning.

(2) Planned acts of violence or civil disobedience which, through arising from the same causes as (1) above, are seized upon by a dedicated group of dissidents who plan and incite purposeful acts designed to disrupt social order.

This may occur either because leaders of protest organizations intentionally induce their followers to perpetrate violent acts, or because a group of militants infiltrates an otherwise peaceful protest and seeks to divert it from its peaceful course.........

1. GENERAL Opposition forces or groups may attempt to gain knowledge of this plan and 'use that knowledge to prevent or degrade the effectiveness of the actions outlined in this plan. In order to protect operations undertaken to accomplish the mission, it is necessary to control sources of information that can be exploited by those opposition forces or groups......

Operation Garden Plot CONTROL List
[Operation Garden Plot may be a name for a group of items.] ... Operation Garden Plot, Concentration Camps, Global Government Persecution, ... http://www.uhuh.com/control/list-gar.htm

Looking over the "control list" answers the "why" in my book: they are fulfilling Bible prophecy, although not in the way they have been TRYING to:

Isaiah 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

....This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Matthew 21:38. It's their battle plan for the battle of Gog and Magog. [Ezekiel 38-39/Rev. 20:7-10/Psalm 83:4,12], which gets closer with every passing hour. As Obama said, "the stars are aligned". bible.cc/psalms/2-4.htm We should try not to forget they are enemies of God, and He has put a hook in their jaws and gathered them here for His own purpose.

As a pastor, Chuck Baldwin should know this, and "blow the trumpet" to warn the people.

From 1982 to 1984, North assisted FEMA, the U.S. government's chief national crisis-management unit, in revising contingency plans for dealing with nuclear war, insurrection or massive military mobilization.

The plan did not define national crisis, but it was understood to be ***nuclear war, violent and widespread **** internal dissent ****or national opposition against a military invasion abroad....."

The American people are nearly up in arms now over the Bankster bail-out, the loss of jobs, income, and homes, all while governments keep heaping on new taxes and regulations, and police state measures, and now even very publicly sneer at Americans who object. Since they have always advanced their agenda by utilizing the Hegelian dialectic, they may try to turn the protests into a false flag event to bring in martial law. If that doesn't work, there are still, as far as I know, a couple of nukes "missing" from the arsenal; we have the Russians and French sitting off our coasts with nuclear missiles, 2 or 3 53-foot missiles reported in one video about the DHS transporting in addition to the missiles, BIRD FLU. They need SOME pretext to weed out the undesirables [patriots, Christians who don't worship at the feet of the synagogue of Satan, "useless eaters", and the like], and be left with a few people who will only be too happy to be CHIPPED and take that oath to Lucifer in order to enter their "New" World Order alive. I think the camps are real. I don't think they will require much more now than laborers to process the inmates through execution, some by gassing, is my guess, and some may be by decapitation in order to recoup some of the $189,000 collateral they have heaped on each American in these last few months. The one potential camp I saw video of, had a heliport, which would be necessary to get the organs to a transplant hospital as quickly as possible. The bodies are supposed to be stored in those coffins until they can be burned. I have read those coffins are CREMATORIUM coffins. They'll throw as many bodies in them that will fit, slam the lid shut, and that will be that until they are burned.

Disinfo. They also said the camps were for "illegals". If it were widely known, and they had said the camps were for WHITE folks, Christians, patriots and the like, we might not be discussing this today because the problem may very well have been taken care of by veterans of WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. Most of those are now dead or too old to fight. Iraq vets are also dead, or wounded, and dying of depleted uranium or vaccinations, or are too brainwashed to do anything but follow orders....OR ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF THE COUNTRY BY DESIGN and NOT AVAILABLE TO DO ANY GOOD.

Here of course, are the real enemies of the state, those defined in Garden Plot:

"...dissenters..... religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist ...... tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist [THE ADL DEFINES "EXTREMIST GROUPS"] or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder....."

www.welfarestate.com/pamphlet/ The infamous FBI terrorism pamphlet. Amongst those who are now terrorists are people concerned with animal rights, people who refer to defending America from the UN, people who refuse to identify themselves (even though they have no constitutional obligation to do so), people with "Christian identity", and "individuals who make numerous references to the US Constitution".

Note that bit about "Christian Identity". That refers to WHITE Christians who know that America is the promised land for Christians, who are true Israel. They are right in that regard, but wrong that true Israel is only white people. That may have been fed to them as disinfo by the CIA. Somebody has been telling the blacks that the "true Jews are black," and that America is THEIR promised land because "THEY are the true seed of Abraham". [Also wrong. The true seed of Abraham are followers of Christ and not antiChrist. Period.] The Mexicans are told that America belongs to them. Somebody wants a race war. Obama is in NH, and they were showing some NH fellow with a gun strapped to his hip, and carrying a sign that read "The Tree of Liberty Needs to be Refreshed" or something like that, and they made a point of saying that he was on the grounds of a [white] church and that the church gave him permission to be there. All they need is for some "patriot" white "Christian" to knock off that black "president", and they'll get their "internal dissent", and an excuse to impose martial law, and the internment and execution or chipping of citizens.

I don't know exactly how this is all going to go down. I only know for sure that this is the battle the Bible has predicted for thousands of years between God/Jesus Christ and all His enemies. We all know how that ends....what happens between now and then, I can only guess based on scripture.

My kids and I had the Civil War on the brain last week. Each of us in our own little corner of the world either discussed it, or watched a movie about it. One watched Gone With the Wind, and one watched Cold Mountain. We know now that war, like every war Americans have ever fought was engineered by Jews to advance THEIR agenda, and to kill off as many of the hated Christians in the process. The Civil War was a holocaust of Christians. We've been in slavery to them for the prophesied 400 years as far as I can see, and it seems their come-uppance is due. Before, they got us to kill each other. This time it's THEM coming after us, and that's when God says "the fury will come into my face":

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel [AMERICA], saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

I don't think we hear them talking so much lately about building their temple and all that malarkey. I think they realize America is waking up and they have to move quickly to restrain her or destroy her, in order to go forward. As God said, He would put hooks in their jaws, and turn them around from what they were doing. I've said it before, I think there have been many signs in the sky that portend His coming to set things straight.

"This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations."

Whether He is going to allow us to be taken to the FEMA camps before He comes in judgment, at this point, I just don't know.

Why would Obama need to put people in camps anyway? You put people in camps to isolate a minority, or political prisoners. Conservatives aren't really going to rebel, so putting them in camps is silly.

It's not the "conservatives" that are going to rebel...it's those that believe in the Constitution that will be rebeling...along with a good portion of folks in the military and law enforcement that swore an oath to defend the Constitution.

Yea right. The best you guys will muster is an Oklahoma City bombing and a bunch of fat ass conspiracy nuts marching in fake camo on their brothers farms, just like the 90s.