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Title: Media Floats Talking Point That Gun Owners Are Domestic Terrorists
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/media-float ... wners-are-domestic-terrorists/
Published: Aug 12, 2009
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2009-08-12 14:21:40 by christine
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Views: 417
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The establishment media and the Southern Poverty Law Center are again floating the talking point that militia groups and worried gun owners are growing in the United States and that this could portend a violent act of domestic terror, despite the fact that every major domestic terror attack in the 1990’s was carried out by the federal government itself, from Ruby Ridge, to Waco, to the Oklahoma City bombing. “Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends,” reports the Associated Press. “The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.” The article cites people who own guns and implies that they are domestic terrorists or cop killers in the vein of Richard Poplawski, the Pittsburgh man who gunned down three officers during a domestic dispute earlier this year. The report cites a Homeland Security “threat projection” which states “White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.” Of course, the irony behind all this is the fact that all the major acts of violence in connection with the militia movement during the 1990’s were committed by the government and federal agents. It was an FBI sniper that killed Randy Weaver’s son and also his wife as she was holding their 10-month-old baby while running for cover during the Ruby Ridge standoff in 1992. It was the BATF that burned the Branch Davidian ranch to the ground, killing seventy-six people including more than 20 children and two pregnant women, during the Waco massacre in 1993. And it was high level FBI officials that groomed Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh in the run up to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building in 1995. McVeigh’s accomplice Terry Nichols’ revelation that McVeigh was being steered by a high-level FBI official are supported by a plethora of evidence that proves McVeigh did not act alone and that authorities had prior warnings and were complicit in the bombing. The Deseret Morning News named the FBI agent at Larry Potts, but that information was later sealed by the court. The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by attorney Jesse Trentadue, whose brother Kenneth was tortured and beaten to death in an Oklahoma City federal prison in 1995. Authorities claimed Trentadue had committed suicide but he was being held in a suicide proof cell at the time and autopsy photos of his body showed he had been shocked with a stun gun, bruised, burned, sliced and then hung. Jesse Trentadue has amassed evidence that his brother was mistaken for one of Timothy McVeigh’s alleged bombing accomplices and in attempting to get him to talk, federal agents went too far and then tried to instigate a cover-up of the murder. During the process of his lawsuit, Trentadue was able to receive documents with names blacked out that show the FBI’s OKC bombing informants were conducting armed robberies with Timothy McVeigh in order to fund the construction of the fertilizer bomb used in the attack on the federal building. “One of the foreign informants was actually the explosives instructor who taught him how to make the bomb,” said Trentadue, confirming that Nichols told him the criminal activities were part of a process of creating a ledger or a storyboard to which the government’s version of events could later be pinned to. The documents also show that McVeigh called Elohim City two days before the bombing asking for help. Four months before the bombing, an FBI informant told his superiors of the attack plan and said that the Alfred P. Murrah building had been scouted. Just like 9/11, the official story of the Oklahoma City Bombing, that McVeigh alone carried out the attack using a fertilizer truck bomb, is contradicted by a plethora of eyewitness account as well as physical and circumstantial evidence. - In early April 1995 a Ryder truck identical to the one used in the bombing was filmed by a pilot during an overflight of of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma. A June 17th, 1997 Washington Post article authenticates the photos as being exactly what they appear to be, photos of a Ryder truck in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs. Why were the military in possession of a Ryder truck housed in a remote clandestine army base days before the Alfred P. Murrah bombing? - In a 1993 letter to his sister, McVeigh claimed that he was approached by military intelligence and had joined an “elite squad of government paid assassins.” McVeigh often contradicted himself and changed his story on a whim to fit in with the latest government version of events. Is the Camp Grafton footage evidence of McVeigh’s enrollment in such a clandestine program? - Multiple reports of Arabs at the scene assisting McVeigh were ignored and surveillance tapes were withheld under national security. The likely reason for this was the fact that Bush senior and Clinton were responsible for bringing in nearly 1,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by U.S. forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, some of whom were involved in the bombing. - The FBI claimed McVeigh scouted the Alfred P. Murrah building weeks before the bombing and yet on the morning of the attack he stopped at a local gas station to ask directions, lending credibility to the new claims that he was being controlled by other conspirators and that the target of the bombing had been changed. - Original reports of two explosions and several failed devices being defused by bomb squads were buried by the establishment as the official explanation that McVeigh acted alone was pushed. Scientific analysis conducted by General Benton K. Partin revealed core columns were blown out from within the building and the extensive damage to the Alfred P. Murrah building was completely inconsistent with the explanation of a single and relatively weak fertilizer truck bomb. - Many eyewitnesses reported that bomb squads in full reaction gear were seen around the building immediately before the blast. Police officer Terence Yeakey, who helped save dozens of victims, was one such witness. Yeakey compiled extensive files on his observations but was later found with his throat and wrists slashed having also been shot in the head after he had told friends he was being followed by authorities. - Several individuals received prior warning that the bombing was about to take place. Bruce Shaw, who rushed to the Murrah building to find his wife who was employed there with the Federal Credit Union, testified that an ATF agent told him that ATF staff had been warned on their pagers not to come to work that day. - The aftermath of the bombing led to the passage of the Omnibus Crime Bill and the demonization of the ‘Patriot Movement’, which was spreading like wildfire as opposition to federal government abuse grew following the events at Ruby Ridge and Waco. The consequences of the Oklahoma City Bombing effectively dismantled the Patriot Movement before the turn of the century. This is the true history of “domestic terrorism” and the militia movement. In every instance, the terrorism has been carried out by the government and the militia movement or the patriot movement have either been the victims or the patsies. This is key should the Obama administration attempt to stage another false flag and blame it on patriots in an attempt to neutralize the groundswell of grass roots outrage currently spreading like wildfire across the country in response to the march of big government and the loss of liberties.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Lon Horiuchi is still alive and well, living in VA, sleeping well every night
I've contended for the last few weeks that the statists are ratcheting up the rhetoric incrementally, and quickly, and will soon have us officially and legally defined as terrorists just for owning guns or protesting Obama's plans. Once we're officially and "legally" terrorists, all kinds of nightmare things can "legally" take place. This just plays into that theme.
I believe it was the Feebs in charge when the fire started. The BATF are the ones totally responsible for staring that clusterfuck,but unless my memory is failing me,the Feebs came in and took over when it became a seige.
No doubt he is alive,but I have a great deal of doubt about him being well. Nobody that does what he did can possibly be "well". He is a evil SOB,and so are the people that protect him and covered up for him.
The people that covered up for Horiuchi are all part of the same group that covers up for their own, be they cops, agents, military, lawyers, politicians....you get the idea. Once in the club, you're good to go - for life - except if you develop a conscious and choose to go away voluntarily, *never* to repeat in a legal setting the crimes you were part of. It's part of the uglier side of human nature and unexplainable to anyone who hasn't been part of it.
Would this rate as the media training for the Darwin Awards?
This just plays into that theme. This will start a firestorm that will set a blaze from coast to coast. And both sides will be badly burned by this fire. Even the media is not been able to keep a lid on what the people believe. That being those in D.C. are setting up the nation for nationalization of industry and concentration camps. This is fascism. Right now the people are pissed off. This will send the people over the edge.
No but it could portend revolution if the government doesn't shape up.
They are pushing us toward the tipping point as I type.
Gun owners defend us from terrorists--both foreign and domestic.
#2. To: christine, TooConservative (#0)
#3. To: christine (#0)
It was the BATF that burned the Branch Davidian ranch to the ground,
#4. To: Cynicom (#1)
Lon Horiuchi is still alive and well, living in VA, sleeping well every night
#5. To: sneakypete, all (#4)
#6. To: christine (#0)
Media Floats Talking Point That Gun Owners Are Domestic Terrorists
#7. To: SonOfLiberty (#2)
I've contended for the last few weeks that the statists are ratcheting up the rhetoric incrementally, and quickly, and will soon have us officially and legally defined as terrorists just for owning guns or protesting Obama's plans. Once we're officially and "legally" terrorists, all kinds of nightmare things can "legally" take place.
#8. To: christine (#0)
and that this could portend a violent act of domestic terror,
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#9. To: PaulCJ, all (#7)
This will send the people over the edge.
#10. To: christine (#0)
 | "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis |
#11. To: Lod (#9) (Edited)
Yep. And those of us that realize it, do NOT want it because of the bloodshed it will cause.
This will send the people over the edge.
#12. To: PaulCJ (#7)
Conservatives are pissed, everyone else doesn't care as usual. And conservatives only care because its a democrat fucking them instead of the republican that was fucking them. This is the same rhetoric we heard during the 1990's and then you guys elected Bush and he increased the police state exponentially. The same idiots who were calling people traitors for opposing anti-terrorism measures are boasting about becoming terrorists themselves. Enjoy the boiling water bath you frogs poured for yourselves. Some of you resisted government growth the whole time, but the mainstream outrage is coming from people who just voted for Palin, and voted Bush twice. If those guys are on your flank in a revolution, you are going to die pretty fast.
Right now the people are pissed off. This will send the people over the edge.
#13. To: Rhino369 (#12)
What about us libertarians (little "L") who opposed both Bush and now oppose Obama? I suspect that we have to ally with those opposing Obama now out of expediency. Given the advanced stage we've gone to with statism, I honestly do think it's turned around a lot of people on why giving the government this much power is a bad thing. Maybe not huge hordes, but enough to make a dent in future schemes like this. And that's A Good Thing (tm).
#14. To: SonOfLiberty (#13) (Edited)
Are too small a demographic to have any meaningful say in a debate. You talking about less than 1% of voters. And of those what fraction support revolution? Of that fraction who are old enough to do it? What fraction of them aren't chickens? >I suspect that we have to ally with those opposing Obama now out of expediency. The problem is they out number you 10 or 20 to 1. As soon as they have a chance to vote they will elect some functional retard like Palin and you are worse than when you started. I honestly think they haven't. If they changed their minds they would repudiate what they supported the last 9 years. They have not. Even now they still support America creating a police state in Iraq. How does that jive with their new views on liberty at home? A couple trillion invading a foreign country is A-Okay, but socialized healthcare is the end of the world. It just doesn't make sense, so I can only conclude they are easily excited retards. Mark my words, they'll be voting for the republican statist in 2012 without fail. And if McCain had won, and Obama supporters were talking about revolution, they'd be for sending them to Gitmo.
What about us libertarians (little "L") who opposed both Bush and now oppose Obama?
I honestly do think it's turned around a lot of people on why giving the government this much power is a bad thing.
#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#13)
Things have gotten to a pass these days that folks are open to hearing all kinds of propositions regarding the gov't and the slimeballs that run it. I say things about our rulers and their antics today in venues and to people that I would shuddered to have attemped a year or two ago. Either the PTB miscalculated with the current boy or they are just damned crazy. (And perhaps they are just forcing the issue.)
honestly do think it's turned around a lot of people on why giving the government this much power is a bad thing. Maybe not huge hordes,
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#16. To: Rhino369 (#12)
The first part is right, ever heard if Hillarycare? The second part is wrong, Bush was not president during the 1990's.
This is the same rhetoric we heard during the 1990's and then you guys elected Bush and he increased the police state exponentially.
#17. To: Rhino369 (#14)
Apparently you totally didn't understand my question, nor understand what little "L" libertarian means. I honestly think they haven't. Your call. I know you're wrong, insofar as I've seen no small number of Republicans (maybe paleoconservative leaning to begin with) finally renounce Bush and his raping of the constitution. A couple trillion invading a foreign country is A-Okay, but socialized healthcare is the end of the world. They're both horrors and should both be avoided. Mark my words, they'll be voting for the republican statist in 2012 without fail. And if McCain had won, and Obama supporters were talking about revolution, they'd be for sending them to Gitmo. No question, some will be like that. Having had foot time at a few rallies, I find a lot of the folks there seemed to point fingers at Republicans AND Democrats. We'll see how things fall out in the future.
Are too small a demographic to have any meaningful say in a debate. You talking about less than 1% of voters. And of those what fraction support revolution? Of that fraction who are old enough to do it? What fraction of them aren't chickens?
#18. To: PaulCJ (#16)
You elected Bush in 2000, after a decade of anti-government talk. And then you guys preceded to call anyone who spoke out against Bush's government unpatriotic, and terrorists. You guys will do the same next election, though you'll probably lose.
The second part is wrong, Bush was not president during the 1990's.
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#19. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)
Apparently you totally didn't understand my question, nor understand what little "L" libertarian means. I understand it, you are still a tiny demographic. Most republicans are still supportive of the former. That is my point entirely. Almost all. Most of my extended family is like that, but in the end they fall inline with republican talking points. When people like Glenn Beck are leading the charge, you know its a false movement.
They're both horrors and should both be avoided.
No question, some will be like that.
Having had foot time at a few rallies, I find a lot of the folks there seemed to point fingers at Republicans AND Democrats. We'll see how things fall out in the future.
#20. To: PaulCJ (#7)
good thing your baalzabush kept us free from the tyranny.
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
#21. To: Rhino369 (#12)
Not true. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Not the same thing at all.
conservatives only care because its a democrat fucking them instead of the republican that was fucking them.
#22. To: sneakypete (#4)
Indeed. Pete... What galled me was he graduated West Point where they make Officers and Gentlemen out of clay. Then he offered himself as a hired gun. That part I have never understood. Take some criminal off the street is the bottom, but from West Point???
He is a evil SOB,and so are the people that protect him and covered up for him.
#23. To: Cynicom (#22)
What galled me was he graduated West Point where they make Officers and Gentlemen out of clay. Yeah,I take that as a personal insult also. Not that I ever attended West Point,because I didn't. I take it personally because he is a infected boil on the face of the US Army. Then he offered himself as a hired gun. That part I have never understood. Take some criminal off the street is the bottom, but from West Point??? It's easy enough to understand. The people who run the Feebs are all college graduates,and they want college graduates around them and working for them. West Point may be a professional military academy,but it is still a college. A very good one,too.
#24. To: PaulCJ. all (#11)
Yep. And those of us that realize it, do NOT want it because of the bloodshed it will cause. .gov is NOT our friend. Spot on correct. But what else can we do, except prepare for the very worst, and have all our personal 'ducks in order?'
This will send the people over the edge.
#25. To: sneakypete (#21)
Not true. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Not the same thing at all. Conservatives who aren't republicans are an endangered species.
#26. To: Rhino369 (#18)
You guys will do the same next election, though you'll probably lose. What do you want? It is clear here and on LP that you were never happy with anyone or anything. When someone was for government, you were against them. When someone was against government, you were against them. So, what do you want?
You elected Bush in 2000, after a decade of anti-government talk. And then you guys preceded to call anyone who spoke out against Bush's government unpatriotic, and terrorists.
#27. To: Rhino369 (#25)
You have clearly been ignoring the tea party protests and the townhall protests.
Conservatives who aren't republicans are an endangered species.
#28. To: Rhino369 (#25)
I contend that it is Republicans who are an endangered species.
Conservatives who aren't republicans are an endangered species.
#29. To: farmfriend (#8)
I think that you should consider whether your goal is revolution or secession. In the War of Northern Aggression in the 1860's, the South wasn't trying to run Rhode Island. They just wanted to run their own affairs. A revolution would be where you want to run New York or California. Partition is where like-minded states decide to form their own country. Secession and partition may be the more workable solution. We may resent being drafted into the schemes of the liberal Blue staters but can we imagine that they would be any happier for us to impose our ideology on them? Probably not a recipe for national happiness there.
... it could portend revolution if the government doesn't shape up.
#30. To: sneakypete (#21)
I used to think that was true. But too many conservatives are just partisan hacks when push comes to shove. That's why the GOP is so spineless. That's why the accurate name for them is the Stupid Party though what we need is a name for them that combines defeatism and cowardice and stupidity (a name other than "Democrats").
Not true. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Not the same thing at all.
#31. To: TooConservative (#30)
I used to call the RINO's Dim Lites back in my FR days. Of course,now the RINO's are no longer RINO's. They are the mainstream of the party.
what we need is a name for them that combines defeatism and cowardice and stupidity (a name other than "Democrats").
#32. To: christine (#0)
...PLUS: "there is also a increase in 'Sovereign Citizens' who refuse to pay taxes" was floated across the bottom of FOX's screen a couple of hours ago, but they didn't have anything about the militia angle, at least not while I was watching it. The "Sovereign Citizen" movement is a big concern of the ADL, founded, of course, the same year as the Federal Reserve, and they label it on their website under "Extremist Groups".
“Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends,” reports the Associated Press. “The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.....”
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#33. To: sneakypete (#21)
Here is the actual point I think most Dems/Independents are missing. They're still thinking most of us see the two as the same. The "revelation" I'm seeing from just scads of conservatives is that they finally understand that the Republican party no longer represents them, nor even cares to try. That's a huge thing really, if you think about it.
Not true. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Not the same thing at all.
#34. To: SonOfLiberty (#33)
That's the same thing I see and hear. I will only add that the fundie Christians are now joining in with the conservatives. They were just fine with Boy Jorge's treason because he was a fellow "born-again",but now that he's not in office continuing his policies is suddenly seen as a "bad thing" by them. I say,"A pox on their houses!" These idiots are not conservatives and never have been. In fact,they are the ones most responsible for the evils that Boy Jorge inflicted on this country during his 8 years in office. No matter what he said or did,they supported him fully and made excuses for him because they considered him to be "one of us". I want to warn actual conservatives to NEVER again allow these loons to gain too much prominence in government. They only care about power and influence for their cult viewpoints,and couldn't care less about the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
The "revelation" I'm seeing from just scads of conservatives is that they finally understand that the Republican party no longer represents them, nor even cares to try.
#35. To: SonOfLiberty, sneakypete (#33)
The problem for "conservatives" is that they never seem to be "for" anything. Just against. And, justified or not, most people see them against common sense. Why should government care who gets married but not care who is healthy?
#36. To: war (#35)
The problem for "conservatives" is that they never seem to be "for" anything. Just against. That's not true. You just see it that way because you are a lefty who thinks the government should do everything for everybody. And, justified or not, most people see them against common sense. Mostly because most people are sadly lacking in common sense. Why should government care who gets married As long as it isn't brothers and sisters or adults and children,it's a mystery to me. but not care who is healthy? See? That's where your kneejerk Dim kicks in. First off,you don't care if the government cares or not,which is a good thing because government is a thing,not a thinking person with the ability to care. What YOU care about is making the government pay for everything while overlooking the FACT that the government doesn't even have one thin dime of it's own to pay for ANYTHING. I'm going to repeat this again so that maybe it will sink in. The government is a THING,not a person. ONLY people are capable of feeling or caring,and ONLY PEOPLE HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. THE ONLY MONEY THE GOVERNMENT HAS IS BORROWED MONEY THEY PAY INTEREST ON,AND THE MONEY TO PAY OFF THESE LOANS COMES FROM THE TAXPAYERS. What you and your fellow Dims want to do is spend other people's money to provide "free" health care,which is NOT the business of the government. Now,there is nothing wrong with you as an individual spending ALL your money to provide "Free" medical care for illegal aliens,criminals,parasites who keep having kids and who have no job,gangbangers and gangbanger wannabes who have enough money for 500 dollar cell phones,100 dollar sneakers,hundreds of dollars for jewelry,and thousands of dollars for big tires and wheels on the new cars they own,but who somehow don't have the money to pay their own doctors bills if you want,but you do NOT have the right to demand that others contribute to your charity.
#37. To: sneakypete, war (#36)
I don't want to butt in too much here, but my modest donations to the Shenandoah Free Clinic do in fact benefit illegal aliens. The doctors and dentists who work there are donating very expensive time (made more expensive by personal malpractice insurance that the clinic can't afford). The Salvation Army also helps illegals. The government health care proposers have as one of their top priorities shutting down volunteer health care, mainly by reducing or eliminating charity (again doctor's time is costly). Charity is the competition and main alternative to government controlled health care. If it works, there is no reason for the government to get involved at all.
Now,there is nothing wrong with you as an individual spending ALL your money to provide "Free" medical care for illegal aliens,criminals,parasites who keep having kids and who have no job,gangbangers and gangbanger wannabes
Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle
#38. To: sneakypete (#36) (Edited)
What does OF the People mean? Tell me what that means before we move onto BY and FOR... That inate ***THING*** is comprised from those who walk among us...
--I Brake For The Invisible
#39. To: purpleman (#37)
Then both should lose their tax-free status. Charity is the competition and main alternative to government controlled health care. If it works, there is no reason for the government to get involved at all. No argument there. The goal it to end up with everyone dependent on the government and grateful for their help.
the Shenandoah Free Clinic do in fact benefit illegal aliens. The doctors and dentists who work there are donating very expensive time (made more expensive by personal malpractice insurance that the clinic can't afford). The Salvation Army also helps illegals
#40. To: war (#38)
What does OF the People mean? Doesn't that depend on what the meaning of the word "is",is? I>Tell me what that means before we move onto BY and FOR... In this case it means a representative government elected by the citizens to represent those same citizens,not illegal aliens and not to provide a living for the perpetually parasitic.
#41. To: sneakypete (#40)
OF - populated by...
--I Brake For The Invisible
#42. To: sneakypete, war (#36)
Well said. Now,there is nothing wrong with you as an individual spending ALL your money to provide "Free" medical care for illegal aliens,criminals,parasites who keep having kids and who have no job,gangbangers and gangbanger wannabes who have enough money for 500 dollar cell phones,100 dollar sneakers,hundreds of dollars for jewelry,and thousands of dollars for big tires and wheels on the new cars they own,but who somehow don't have the money to pay their own doctors bills if you want,but you do NOT have the right to demand that others contribute to your charity. HEAR HEAR. The obligation of gubmint is to protect and defend the borders, keep the peace, construct and maintain the public's infrastructure, and promote liberty. NOT confiscating and re-distributing what's mine or yours... simply BECAUSE THEY CAN. THAT is Tyranny.
I'm going to repeat this again so that maybe it will sink in. The government is a THING,not a person. ONLY people are capable of feeling or caring,and ONLY PEOPLE HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. THE ONLY MONEY THE GOVERNMENT HAS IS BORROWED MONEY THEY PAY INTEREST ON,AND THE MONEY TO PAY OFF THESE LOANS COMES FROM THE TAXPAYERS.
-- The Invisible Have Rights Too
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