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Title: The 'Second American Revolution' Has Begun
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URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general87/second.htm
Published: Aug 13, 2009
Author: Gerald Celente
Post Date: 2009-08-13 08:39:12 by Horse
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KINGSTON, NY -- The natives are restless. The third shot of the "Second American Revolution" has been fired. History is being made. But just as with the first two shots, the third shot is not being heard. America is seething. Not since the Civil War has anything like this happened. But the protests are either being intentionally downplayed or ignorantly misinterpreted. The first shot was fired on April 15, 2009. Over 700 anti-tax rallies and "Tea Parties" erupted nationwide. Rather than acknowledge their significance, the general media either ignored or ridiculed both protests and protestors, playing on "tea bagging" for its sexual innuendo. Initially President Obama said he was unaware of the tea parties. The White House later warned they could "mutate" into something "unhealthy." Shot #2 was fired on the Fourth of July, when throngs of citizens across the nation gathered to again protest "taxation without representation." And as before, the demonstrations were branded right-wing mischief and dismissed. The third volley, fired in early August, was aimed point blank at Senators and House members pitching President Obama's health care reform package to constituents. In fiery town hall meetings, enraged citizens shouted down their elected representatives. It took a strong police presence and/or burly bodyguards to preserve a safe physical space between the politicians and irate townspeople. The White House and the media have labeled protestors "conservative fringe elements," or as players in staged events organized by Republican operatives that have been egged on by Fox news and right-wing radio show hosts. In regard to this latest wave of outbursts, health industry interests opposed to any reform are also being blamed for inciting the public. But organized or spontaneous is not the issue. While most protestors exhibit little grasp of the complex 1000 page health care reform document (that nary a legislator has read either), their emotion is clearly real and un-staged. Rightly or wrongly, the legislation is regarded as yet another straw on the already overloaded camel's back. A series of gigantic, unpopular government-imposed (but taxpayer-financed) bailouts, buyouts, rescue and stimulus packages have been stuffed down the gullet of Americans. With no public platform to voice their opposition, options for citizens have been limited to fruitless petitions, e-mails and phone calls to Congress all fielded by anonymous staff underlings. Now, with Congress in recess and elected representatives less than a stone's throw away, the public is exploding. The devil is not in the details of the heath care reform, the devil is the government mandating health care. Regardless of how the plan is pitched or what is being promised, to the public the legislation is yet another instance of big government taking another piece out of their lives and making them pay for it; again telling them what they can or cannot do. Though in its early stages, the "Second American Revolution" is underway. Yet, what we forecast will become the most profound political trend of the century the trend that will change the world is still invisible to the same experts, authorities and pundits who didn't see the financial crisis coming until the bottom fell out of the economy. Trend Forecast: Conditions will continue to deteriorate. The global economy is terminally ill. The recession is in a brief remission, not the early stages of recovery. Cheap money, easy credit and unrestrained borrowing brought on an economic crisis that cannot be cured by monetary and fiscal policies that promote more cheap money, easy credit and unrestrained borrowing. Nevertheless, Washington will continue to intervene, tax and exert control. Protests will escalate and riots will follow. Fourth Shot of the "Second American Revolution": While there are many wild cards that could light the fuse, The Trends Research Institute forecasts that if the threat of government-forced Swine Flu vaccinations is realized, it will be the fourth shot. Tens of millions will fight for their right to remain free and unvaccinated. Publisher's Note: The power of the Internet and new technologies is inexorably fermenting the "Second American Revolution." However widespread and emotionally charged, had the tax rallies, tea parties and healthcare reform protests occurred in years past, they might have been covered by the local media, but might not have made national headline news and thus would have died stillborn. Now, with the ubiquitous camera-equipped cell phone, universal access to YouTube, and millions of twitters and tweets, the uprisings cannot be ignored, contained, managed, spun or edited down. The revolutionary fervor will prove contagious. Can anything stop it? Trend Forecast: Before the momentum of the "Second American Revolution" becomes unstoppable, it could be derailed through some false flag event designed to deceive the public, or a genuine event or crisis capable of rallying the entire nation behind the President. In a worst-case scenario, according to Trends Research Institute Director, Gerald Celente, "Given the pattern of governments to parlay egregious failures into mega-failures, the classic trend they follow, when all else fails, is to take their nation to war." A false flag attempt, a genuine crisis, or a declaration of war, may slow the momentum of the "Second American Revolution," but nothing will stop it.
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#44. To: SonOfLiberty (#40)
You'll have to find somebody else to sell the notion to that rights come from government/law. I'm not buying it. Sorry. You still can't explain why you think rights are inherent. You just believe they are and argue why it would be bad if they weren't. You are engaging in wishful thinking.
Whether one believes in a god or not, the fact is, that it is the foundational wellspring of most concepts of human freedom in the West, historically. It is only in the cold, harsh, atheist Marxist world that we find massive slaughter numbering in the tens to maybe hundreds of millions of individuals by governments who declared themselves supreme dictators of one's rights or lack thereof. SPOT ON. We see the same road to destruction as secular humanist Europe has largely assaulted and purged Christianity - to its detriment. The void must be filled, whether by the vampires of the Marxist Left, or the Cult of Islam.
There isn't one single accurate fact in that ignorant paragraph. Religion has never asserted human rights. Jefferson's claims about natural rights are heresy to Christianity. The idea of rights, and natural rights were the invention of the Age of Reason, the enlightenment. And it was their rejection of religion and their adoption of logic and reason that led them there. You must not have read any Franklin, Jefferson, or Paine. They rejected religion almost entirely. Even today the agents of religion are the agents of tyranny.
Sorry. My rights are mine and inalienable. I don't have to justify them to you. You cannot take them by force, nor by persuasion. I'm a very frustrating individual, I'll bet. I could easily engage you in an in depth debate about the epistemology of my beliefs and how I've come to my set of axioms. We could debate the framework of morality I hold, and I could provide a thousand logical answers to a thousand questions. We could go over Locke, Hume, DeCartes, Aristotle, Socrates, Plato all line and verse for months I'll bet. Debate the nature of reality itself, of quantuum realities or non-reality or perception being reality versus perception being formed by reality. I used to do so quite a bit on other forums in years gone by actually. Ask around. But I'm sorry, that time has passed. The time of digging in has arrived. Debate the wind for all I care. No offense, I don't know you personally and have no history with you, it's nothing personal. I'm comfortable with my view on life now, and no longer feel the need to argue it. Now I'm all about getting ready to fight for that view of life. Force is required of course to fight for the ability to exercise one's rights, without question. But even without the ability to exercise a right, I still posses it innately. That's where things stand right now.
That's a typical view of somebody only a little studied in religion and a lot studied in the words of those who despise religion. I encountered exactly that kind of derision in college, mostly from profs and kids who had a superficial grasp of what they were talking about at best, and saw only what they wanted to see to justify their forgone conclusions about religion. You don't have to be a Christian to admire the base tenets of Christianity. Intellectual growth comes not from nihilism, you know.
Alright pretend whatever you want. Your inalienable rights are entirely indistinguishable from having no rights at all.
That's only your opinion, based on nothing but a faith in a lack of faith. :) Cheers.
Are you McCain_Rocks on LP?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
That humans are worthless slaves who are born sick and commanded to evil (to steal a quote from the always eloquent Christopher Hitchens)? Have you read the New Testament with a critical eye? Its a mess of juvenile philosophy, mixed with stupidity, and the unbelievable. It preaches this world (the only one we actually get to live in) is useless, and we should wait around for the next. It is poisonous to the human soul. The only good thing I can say about it, is most christians don't actually take it seriously and ignore it, only to quote mine it to rationalize their own personal morality. Nihilism isn't just merely atheism you know.
You're free to hold whatever beliefs you wish. Even if others say you can't. ;) Cheers (that means later gator in this context)
Let's cut to the crux here...if that is so why is the STRONGEST and FIERCEST opposition coming from the BEST COMPENDATED segment of corporate health care? Not true. Big Pharma is rolling out an Ad Campaign IN SUPPORT of Obamacare®. From no less than the New York Times: Drug Industry to Run Ads Favoring White House Plan - NYTimes.com. This Hellthplan is corporate welfare, profit supports, for the existing dominant players in the Hellthcare Megaplex as well as key element of the Global Depopulation/Eugenics Programs.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Are you McCain_Rocks on LP? Fuck no. I was Rhino369, and then Rhino on LP. I believe humans have rights, but the idea that they are inherent in the universe is obviously not true. I believe the only way to secure rights to assert them in this world. Our rights come from a social contract, not a Jefferson's imaginary god. I love Jefferson's work, but his insistence on creating his own god to legitimize his points is quite embarrassing.
Even if others say you can't. ;) Sartre would say we are condemned to our own freedom. It was fun, thanks.
That's pretty much what McCain_Rocks says. He also believes that rights come from the government.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
That's pretty much what McCain_Rocks says. He also believes that rights come from the government. The social contract has been talked about for hundreds of years by people like Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau. Our constitution exists because of that theory. Where do you think rights come from?
There were protests all across this nation.....the MSM didn't cover them so that must mean they didn't happen.
Photos of the Protests That the CONTROLLED Media would not carry: Link.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
That's pretty much what McCain_Rocks says. He also believes that rights come from the government. "Rocks" is a shill or a lunatic. He used to post under the name "Bush Admirer" and has been doing this for years. Whatever the RNC Line is is what he promotes. He is invincible to logic or reason and will not respond to a well laid out counter-argument.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Thanks OI. Completely CONTROLLED.....hence no salient coverage of the ever growing mountain of 911 information that contradicts the government conspiracy theory. Makes me want to pull a crazy Rev. Wright......God damn the media!!! God damn the MSM!!! : )
No disagreements here, and glad to be of service. Yes, it is interesting the way the MSM totally "misses" all the contradictions and contrary evidence regarding 911. It almost seems, dare I say it - I do, INTENTIONAL. We are facing a few monied families who, through their various Cat's Paws, control the media, and the Feral Government. It is a pretty pickle but not insurmountable. We have a weapon they don't have - the truth. That is why they have to spend so much time and money trying to suppress it - as it is so much more powerful than their lies that whenever it breaks out it blows the lies away.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You do have a way with words.
Thank you good Madam. "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
lol....... We have one other weapon, if we can keep it, in the Internet. At this time, it is the main artery to dispense the truth.
As the Kinkster says, "May the God of your choice, bless you."
IMHO there is a difference between rights and the social contract. However, as far as the social contract goes, it's been talked about for a lot longer than what you state. The social contract was written about in the Indian sanskrit epic Mahabharata around the 8th century BC. Plato discussed it in his dialog Crito. Francisco Suárez also discussed it as a way to limit the divine right of absolute Monarchy. Also, I believe it is a mistake to lump Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau together, because although they each discussed social contract theory, they were different from one another in their beliefs. Besides that, both Hobbes and Locke believed in natural rights. What Hobbes objected to was natural law, but John Locke relied heavily on natural law in his writings. He also believed that man's natural rights of "life, liberty, and estate" could not be negated by the social contract. If you are going to argue against natural rights, you would be better served quoting Jeremy Bentham and Edmund Burke instead of Hobbes and Locke. Where do you think rights come from? I disagree that rights come from the social contract for the simple fact that I, like Locke, believe that I have rights that cannot be taken away by any social contract. For that matter, you believe the same thing. I have read on more than one occasion where you have written that you believe that government does not have a right to prevent a woman from getting an abortion. Are you not saying that a woman has a natural right to control her own body regardless of any social contract declaring otherwise? While I am not a Christian, nor a member of any religion, I am a believer of natural rights and natural law. I believe that right and wrong, good and evil is objective, not subjective, and I believe that right and wrong, good and evil is universal and apparent to most rational beings. For instance, I believe I have a natural right to defend myself and my family. I do not believe that any social contract/government has a moral right to take that away from me, regardless of whether the majority say differently. That doesn't mean that they cannot and will not stop me, but their actions would be immoral. I do not agree with the idea that just because a social contract/the government has determined that it can use force to stop me from protecting me and my family (as an example) means that there is no such thing a natural law or natural rights. On the contrary, it means that that social contract/government is immoral and will eventually fail. IMHO, a social contract without the safeguards of man's natural rights built in is a prescription for tyranny. So, I gave you just a small synopsis of my beliefs and why I believe the way that I do. I understand that your opinion is different and that is fine. All the arguments in the world are not going to change either of our minds. I have no desire to argue with you over our different beliefs. I merely asked if you were McCain_Rocks because you both share the same beliefs on this matter. You have answered that you are not and I'll leave it at that.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
ahhhhh...thanks for the reminder!
I do not agree with the idea that just because a social contract/the government has determined that it can use force to stop me from protecting me and my family (as an example) means that there is no such thing a natural law or natural rights. On the contrary, it means that that social contract/government is immoral and will eventually fail. IMHO, a social contract without the safeguards of man's natural rights built in is a prescription for tyranny. very well said. great discussion, guys. i enjoyed reading it.
You are most welcome. I still remember the protests here - and they were massive. The scariest part was riding the bus by the wall of Imperial Guard Storm Troopers in their Black Uniforms there to put down the revolt by the peasants. They were lined up and down the length of a city block draped in black from head to toe, black helmets, and face shields. It was like a page out of "Enemy of The State" or "Star Wars". I almost expect the Emperor Palatine to make an appearance. One of our local State non-Representatives tried to get a bill passed that would have made it a life in prison offense to take part in a protest against the Police State.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
got rope? ;)
great discussion, guys. i enjoyed reading it. Mucho grassy-ass. :)
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Well, good luck with exercising those rights if the courts don't recognize them as the foundations of American law. I suspect we don't actually need to debate this at any length.
If Asia (Read: mostly China) stops buying 3 billion of our Monopoly munny every day we're sunk. And, if we stop importing and stocking WALMARTs with Chinese goods they're going to take a major hit. We'd have to start a war with some country that doesn't keep our banks alive, maybe Micronesia.
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
I think what Rhino is saying is, "Pile your rights up in one hand and your dew dew in the other and see which fills up first". Ultimately this discussion always led to the belief (or at least the assertion) that "rights come from our Creator" and are therefore not subject to tampering by tyrants. But, unfortunately, if the tyrant who surrounds you with armed thugs happens to be a heathen who doesn't share your commitment to the abstract concept of God-given rights then the only rights you have are those you can actively defend and enforce, which brings us right back to the law of the jungle. In modern America rights no more protect you from govt than they shield you from shark bite.
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
I'm not sure what incident you are talking about, but that is psychological intimidation / mind games. Just see it for what it is. They dress that way for that purpose. Hopefully it was a nice hot sunny day. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
It goes way, way beyond Walmart. Home Depot, Lowe's & Menard's would be about half empty without Chinese stuff. All the "dollar" stores would pretty much cease to exist. Almost all the hard replacement auto parts come from China, kiss AutoZone, O'Reilly & others goodbye. Forget about consumer electronics & most small appliances. Office Depot & Staples would be done. No more toys. Very few clothes. Whether or not people admit it, we can no longer survive without Chinese products. The only things we produce in this country are stuff you use once and throw away like those stupid plastic bags the stores force on you, toilet paper and diapers. Oh yeah, and million dollar bombs guaranteed to be the death of Muslim wedding parties and billion dollar missiles that can fly up a 4 year-old Muslim girl's ass from half a world away while broadcasting the event on live TeeVee.
That used to be a criticism of the old USSR. They only produced weapons, everything else was primitive crap. How times have changed in a few short years, thanks to our "leaders". .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
I already do exercise rights that the courts no long recognize, or demand that I ask permission for. The way I figure it, it's a right, no permission need be asked, and no prohibition on said right is valid. As I've said on LP, people on "our" side need to get over this sickness called Law Und Order, which Nixon pushed on us, once and for all. Obey laws that are just and in accordance with individual rights, and purposefully disobey laws that are unjust, unconstitutional and against individual rights as a matter of principle. I suspect we don't actually need to debate this at any length. I suspect that you're right. :)
The time is nigh approaching when our 2nd Amendment rights may well end up protecting us once and for all from this out of control government.
Yes, exactly as planned. Our GDP consists of Death & Destruction and fiat dollars. We should all thank Goldman Sachs, the fed, AIPAC, the ADL and every other jew .org that got us here.
Drug companies get paid not matter what. They don't lose customers. So, while I apologize for painting too broad a brush stroke, I wasn't referring to pharmaceuticals.
--I Brake For The Invisible
Sorry, I don't live by the law of the jungle.
#45. To: SonOfLiberty (#41)
The fastest road to the destruction of liberty was when the radical Marxist left went after the institution of [Christian] religion.
#46. To: SonOfLiberty (#41)
(Edited)
The fastest road to the destruction of liberty was when the radical Marxist left went after the institution of religion. Whether one believes in a god or not, the fact is, that it is the foundational wellspring of most concepts of human freedom in the West, historically. It is only in the cold, harsh, atheist Marxist world that we find massive slaughter numbering in the tens to maybe hundreds of millions of individuals by governments who declared themselves supreme dictators of one's rights or lack thereof.
#47. To: Rhino369 (#44)
#48. To: Rhino369 (#46)
Even today the agents of religion are the agents of tyranny.
#49. To: SonOfLiberty (#47)
My rights are mine and inalienable. I don't have to justify them to you. You cannot take them by force, nor by persuasion.
#50. To: Rhino369 (#49)
#51. To: Rhino369 (#49)
Alright pretend whatever you want. Your inalienable rights are entirely indistinguishable from having no rights at all.
#52. To: SonOfLiberty (#48)
You don't have to be a Christian to admire the base tenets of Christianity.
Intellectual growth comes not from nihilism, you know.
#53. To: Rhino369 (#52)
#54. To: war, PaulCJ, christine, TwentyTwelve, JamesDeffenbach, bluegrass, Lod, Cynicom, farmfriend, CadetD, IndieTX, randge, all (#28)
bill that emerges under the current circumstances will be for their - the elites - benefit not ours.
#55. To: Hayek Fan (#51)
#56. To: SonOfLiberty (#53)
You're free to hold whatever beliefs you wish.
Cheers (that means later gator in this context)
#57. To: Rhino369 (#55)
Our rights come from a social contract,
#58. To: Hayek Fan (#57)
#59. To: Sam Houston (#4)
Why were there no protests when Big Gubmint mandated perpetual war after the 9/11 false flag?
#60. To: abraxas, Sam Houston (#59)
#61. To: Hayek Fan, Rhino369 (#57)
Our rights come from a social contract,
#62. To: Original_Intent (#60)
#63. To: abraxas (#62)
#64. To: Original_Intent (#54)
This Hellthplan
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#65. To: farmfriend (#64)
#66. To: Original_Intent (#63)
It almost seems, dare I say it - I do, INTENTIONAL.
#67. To: Rhino369. SoL, all (#56)
#68. To: Rhino369 (#58)
The social contract has been talked about for hundreds of years by people like Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau.
#69. To: Original_Intent (#60)
#70. To: Hayek Fan, Rhino369, SonOfLiberty, Original_Intent (#68)
While I am not a Christian, nor a member of any religion, I am a believer of natural rights and natural law. I believe that right and wrong, good and evil is objective, not subjective, and I believe that right and wrong, good and evil is universal and apparent to most rational beings. For instance, I believe I have a natural right to defend myself and my family. I do not believe that any social contract/government has a moral right to take that away from me, regardless of whether the majority say differently. That doesn't mean that they cannot and will not stop me, but their actions would be immoral.
#71. To: christine (#69)
#72. To: Original_Intent (#71)
One of our local State non-Representatives tried to get a bill passed that would have made it a life in prison offense to take part in a protest against the Police State.
#73. To: christine (#70)
very well said.
#74. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
The Constitution (and BOR) guarantee rights we already posess as individuals. They do not provide us with those rights, they are not the source of rights. They simply recognize the rights we have inherent in us, and promise to act as a guarantor of said rights. Without that piece of paper, you'd still have every right listed in the BOR.
#75. To: Rhino369 (#18)
That is silly. Why would they destroy the country they already control? They'd simply get us in world war III if they wanted a false flag event. Someone like the Chinese. Big enough to scare the shit out of us all, but easily handled in a real war.
#76. To: SonOfLiberty, Rhino369 (#47)
My rights are mine and inalienable. I don't have to justify them to you. You cannot take them by force, nor by persuasion.
#77. To: Original_Intent (#71)
Imperial Guard Storm Troopers in their Black Uniforms there to put down the revolt by the peasants. They were lined up and down the length of a city block draped in black from head to toe, black helmets, and face shields. It was like a page out of "Enemy of The State" or "Star Wars". I almost expect the Emperor Palatine to make an appearance.
#78. To: HOUNDDAWG (#75)
And, if we stop importing and stocking WALMARTs with Chinese goods they're going to take a major hit.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#79. To: Esso (#78)
Oh yeah, and million dollar bombs guaranteed to be the death of Muslim wedding parties and billion dollar missiles that can fly up a 4 year-old Muslim girl's ass from half a world away while broadcasting the event on live TeeVee.
#80. To: TooConservative (#74)
Well, good luck with exercising those rights if the courts don't recognize them as the foundations of American law.
#81. To: HOUNDDAWG (#76)
#82. To: PSUSA (#79)
How times have changed in a few short years, thanks to our "leaders".
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#83. To: Original_Intent (#54)
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