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Title: Is Ron Paul the last relevant Republican in Washington?
Source: Examiner.com
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/x-19718-Bos ... evant-Republican-in-Washington
Published: Aug 13, 2009
Author: Thomas Eddlem
Post Date: 2009-08-14 09:24:22 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 777
Comments: 50

The question sounds facetious, since Texas Congressman Ron Paul failed to make any traction among GOP primary voters last year.

Throughout the 2008 presidential primaries, Rep. Paul railed against the Federal Reserve Bank and the coming economic crash. And all the other GOP candidates seemed to look at him like he had just crawled out of the grassy knoll. So did most voters, except for a coterie of highly-motivated and mostly young primary voters he organized. Then economic reality happened, and the establishment GOP's economic model crashed along with the party's election hopes. Everything changed.

Ron Paul's “rEVOLution” (revolution with “love” spelled backwards) has been the sole bright light among GOP organizing efforts since Obama's election. In a party marred by the awkward resignation of Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin from the Alaska governorship and a variety of sexual scandals (David Vitter, John Ensign, Mark Sanford, etc), Ron Paul alone has unified the GOP around an overwhelmingly popular proposal: Auditing the Federal Reserve. His bill (H.R. 1207) has every Republican House member, a score of senators and – according to a July Rasmussen poll – three quarters of the American people backing it. He even has significant bipartisan support: More than a third of the Democrats in the House also cosponsor the bill, which is the reason why two-thirds of the entire Democrat-dominated House is currently cosponsoring the legislation.

On the health care debate, Rep. Paul seems the perfect candidate to give the GOP an authoritative spokesman to oppose Obama's expensive health care agenda. Dr. Paul is a medical doctor, an obstetrician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies.

Meanwhile, the Ron Paul revolution appears to be flowering politically. Consider the following:

Web Organization: The Ron Paul “rEVOLution” movement created more than a dozen highly trafficked websites, including DailyPaul.com, LewRockwell.com, RonPaul.com, in addition to Dr. Paul's official CampaignForLiberty.com. These websites have kept the revolutionaries active and on-task since the letdown of the election.

Tea Parties: From those websites and the election year Meetups emerged the nucleus of the “Tea Party” rallies that exploded nationwide this year. Although the “Tea Party” movement was a larger, organic uprising than simply the result of a single presidential candidacy, most of the original rallies were first organized by Ron Paul supporters. More importantly, precious few of the Tea Party attendees were actively identifying themselves with other national Republican leaders. Ron Paul revolutionaries have helped to keep the tea parties non-partisan, targeting not just Democrats, but also left-leaning Republicans like Iowa's Senator Chuck Grassley, who has been working with Obama to extend federal controls over health care.

Increasingly Powerful PAC: Dr. Paul's Liberty PAC funded nine winning congressional candidates in 2008, including freshman California Rep. Tom McClintock – one of the few new GOP congressmen the party saw elected in 2008. But most of the $25 million that Dr. Paul raised in 2008 went toward his presidential campaign. Look for the Texas Republican to use the astonishing fundraising prowess he demonstrated during the 2008 presidential campaign to expand his assistance to libertarian-leaning Republicans in congressional mid-term elections next year.

He should have plenty of revolutionary candidates to fund. The Ron Paul Revolution has also created an informal slate of congressional candidates nationwide. And the political field was cleared in recent weeks for a couple of his key supporters in prospective U.S. Senate campaigns.

Rand Paul, Ron Paul’s son and fellow medical doctor (ophthalmologist), announced his candidacy for U.S. Senate in Kentucky this month. Days earlier, incumbent Republican Jim Bunning bowed out of a reelection contest.

Peter Schiff, an economic advisor to the Ron Paul campaign who became a YouTube sensation after forecasting the current recession with astonishing precision, is considering a race for U.S. Senate in Connecticut against politically-troubled incumbent Christopher Dodd. Dodd was already considered a vulnerable candidate after receiving a mortgage from sub-prime lender Countrywide, and was recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. The ailment may make it difficult for him to wage an aggressive campaign. The Senate Ethics Committee cleared Dodd of ethics violations on August 7, but the committee criticized Dodd because “the committee does believe that you should have exercised more vigilance in your dealings with Countrywide in order to avoid the appearance that you were receiving preferential treatment based on your status as a senator.” Schiff hasn’t even announced his candidacy officially and he has already raised over $750,000, more than either of his two would-be GOP primary opponents.

The Ron Paul revolution also includes a number of lesser-known candidates and candidates who face uphill electoral battles, like Gulf War veteran and anti-war activist Adam Kokesh. Kokesh is running in New Mexico's heavily Democratic third congressional district. But even Kokesh has earned some rather impressive internet fundraising numbers, which may help make him a serious contender.

In a July Gallup poll, Americans ranked the Federal Reserve lowest among a battery of nine federal agencies – even lower than the IRS. Thus, it’s not surprising Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has hired a political lobbyist and has begun a nationwide public relations tour to stop Dr. Paul's legislative juggernaut. Dr. Paul is planning a public relations offensive against the Federal Reserve Bank of his own, having authored a follow-up to his April 2008 New York Times best-selling book Revolution: A Manifesto. His latest book, End the Fed, is already selling well at Amazon.com – even though it isn't even slated to be published until September 16. The contention of End the Fed is that the current economic crisis was largely a creation of the Federal Reserve's efforts to suppress interest rates earlier in the decade, creating the housing boom as well as its subsequent bust. Considering the Fed's polling numbers, that should be an easy sell.

Ron Paul and his dedicated followers may have been the tail of the GOP dog during the 2008 campaign, but so far this year the tail has been wagging the dog.

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#11. To: Hayek Fan (#5)

Just want to remove your ignorance. I voted for Paul in the primaries. I just don't worship him like some here do.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-14   10:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#2)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-14   10:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Is Ron Paul the last relevant Republican in Washington?

Not at all.

I would say that Tom Coburn in the Senate is quite good generally, Jeff Sessions has some courage and principles.

In the House, you can look to a RP Republican and fellow-doctor Paul Braun of Georgia. And to McClintock who was a Liberty PAC candidate. Also to Flake and Shadegg of Arizona and more than 30 other more conventionally Republican congresscritters who were sponsored candidates of Club For Growth. Toomey, CFG's president, is returning to challenge Specter for the PA Senate seat. Rand Paul and Schiff and Kokesh are all rising stars in the Liberty movement.

I see real potential in Club For Growth uniting more with Liberty PAC. It would be great for both of these fine organizations.

I do like that the article highlights that it was RP supporters who organized the tea party movement which has become more broadly based since then, how they really do cross party lines and bring in a lot of new people. Also, how in 2008 nearly all the growth in GOP registrations was due to Ron Paul's supporters and that these were young voters who were focused on economic issues.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-08-14   10:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: longnose gar (#1)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-14   10:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: longnose gar (#9)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-14   10:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Eric Stratton (#14)

Which is the bigger threat to us and our individual liberties domestically?

A. Islam and/or Islamic Extremism B. The Federal Government and all of its programs for our security?

I don't like the proposed US of Hussein Obama or Islamofascism. Why should I have to decide between one or the other?

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-14   10:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#15)

longnose gar is fifty yard line on LP.

christine  posted on  2009-08-14   10:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#15)

Or as our Federal Government leaves the borders wide open to the tune of just as many deaths annually as a result?

George W. Bush wants to hold you down and shove jalapeno peppers up your ass for DARING to point out his failures as POTUS.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-08-14   10:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: X-15 (#18)

Bush was hated by Latinos for his kick ass policies on illegal immigration:

Bush calls for 6,000 troops along border

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/15/immigration/index.html

Bush plans new crackdown on illegal immigration

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/08/10/2007-08-10_bush_plans_new_crackdown_on_illegal_immi.html

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-14   10:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: longnose gar (#19)

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-08-14   10:46:41 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Ron Paul may be the last Republican in Washington, but he's no longer relevant.

Shoonra  posted on  2009-08-14   10:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: longnose gar (#16)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-14   11:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#17)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-14   11:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Just want to remove your ignorance. I voted for Paul in the primaries. I just don't worship him like some here do.

The ignorance comes from you in thinking that just because I post an article concerning Ron Paul means that I worship him.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14   11:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: longnose gar (#9)

Like when Dr. Islam says its America's fault a bunch of sand niggers flew planes into the WTCs?

Of course you are a liar because Ron Paul never said that.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14   11:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Shoonra (#21)

Ron Paul may be the last Republican in Washington, but he's no longer relevant.

IMHO that would depend on whether or not the candidates he is backing win their elections or or not AND whether or not those candidates walk the walk instead of just talk the talk once they are elected. If "his" candidates are elected and vote in the same way that Paul does, then it will make him relative, or should I say that will make the ideas he espouses relative. Will it make a difference? Maybe not at first, but I believe that it is a beginning.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14   11:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Hayek Fan (#25)

Maybe you should listen to Dr. Islam starting at about 1:45 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0&feature=related

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-14   11:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: longnose gar (#27)

Maybe you should listen to Dr. Islam starting at about 1:45 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0&feature=related

Here's his exact words, starting at 1:45:

Ron Paul: "Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attacked up because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for ten years. We've been in the Middle East. I think Reagan was right, we don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics; so right now we're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican, we're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us."

Establishment shill/government buttlicker: "Are you suggesting that we invited the 9/11 attacks sir?"

Ron Paul: "I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it. They are delighted that we are over there because Osama Bin laden has said I am glad you are over on our sand because we can target you so much easier. They've already now since that time killed thirty four hundred of our men and I don't think it was necessary.

Blood dancer Ghouliani: "May I comment on that? That's an extraordinary statement as someone who lived through the attack of September 11th, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've ever heard that before and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th. I would ask the Congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."

Establishment shill/government buttlicker: "Congressman?"

Ron Paul: "I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blow back. When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah, yes there was blow back. The reactions to that was the taking of our hostages. And that persists and if we ignore that we ignore that at our own risk. If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred then we have a problem. They don't come here to attack us because we are rich and free, they come and attack us because we are over there. I mean, what would we think if other foreign counties were doing that to us?"

Nope. I don't hear anywhere where Ron Paul has stated that its America's fault a bunch of sand niggers flew planes into the WTCs. What I do hear is a statist/big government Republicrat trying to twist Ron Paul's meaning in order to score political points. What I do hear Ron Paul saying is that that actions have consequences and that you can't bully the world and then pretend to be shocked when the world strikes back.

Of course as a fellow Ghouliani blood dancer who enjoys rolling around in the blood of the American soldier while wrapping yourself in the flag, the idea that others will hold us accountable for our actions in ways we do not like is an affront. Too bad blood dancer, too bad. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction and no amount of neocon tap dancing can change that.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14   12:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Hayek Fan (#28)

I don't hear anywhere where Ron Paul has stated that its America's fault a bunch of sand niggers flew planes into the WTCs.

Dr. Islam:

Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attacked up because we've been over there.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-14   12:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: longnose gar (#29)

Dr. Islam:

Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attacked up because we've been over there.

You are like a pitiful Jehovah's Witness or Armstrongian who takes one sentence out of multiple paragraphs in a biblical chapter and tries to use that sentence to prove their their twisted views of the world and their God. LOL!

Dance, blood dancer, dance! There's still more American blood to be spilled!

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14   12:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Hayek Fan (#30)

It's not merely one statement. It's his whole attitude

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http://afk.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx?mode=post&g=62e31d0c-9338-4b8d-8638-7042ac083cc0

...Then September 11, 2001 hit. My boss, Ron Paul, all of a sudden changed dramatically. Whereas before he was a reasonable non-interventionist, he was now rabidly so.

I must say that Ron always knew how to play the game before 2001. He always campaigned as a die-in-the-wool rock-ribbed Conservative Republican. Coming from the Libertarian Party there was always suspicions about him on this. So, he went the extra mile within the District to allay such concerns.

He also campaigned as a "Bush Republican." I recall two specific events when Ron publicly backed Bush for President, quite enthusiastically; Once during a big GOP dinner in Wharton, and another time during a Bush for President fundraising in Corpus Christi. He also had Bush's photo on the wall at our District Office in Freeport.

I should also note that I personally spoke with Karl Rove twice in 1996. After Ron won the GOP Nomination, mainline Republicans were unsure as to how to treat him. We reached out to the Bush people. After my conversations with Rove, he put out the word to key Houston-area, Austin and Victoria Republicans to back Ron Paul. All of a sudden like a tidal wave all the GOPers came on board our Campaign.

Though privately, Ron leaned non-intervenionist, publicly he was always Pro-Troops, Pro-Veterans, Pro-Defense and quite Patriotic, particularly in his Campaign style.

He made extra sure to attend as many Veteran's events as possible. And when he couldn't go, he would always send me, as the only Vet on staff to represent him. He always made it quite clear that I was to emphasize "my views on foreign policy" more so than his non-interventionist views at such events. And I did.

But after Sept. 11, things changed. He became morose. He became bitter, and quite pessimistic.

I had to literally beg him to support the vote authorizing the President to send Troops to Afghanistan. I actually threatened to resign if he did not vote that way. And another key District Staffer, practically threatened to resign, as well. At the last minute Ron voted in favor of the Authorization. I suspected he only did it, cause he knew if he hadn't he would cause the Republicans in the District to oppose him, and he wouldn't win reelection.

But 9/11 served as a wake up call for me. I started questioning how it is that I could work for such a man.

Before it was always just a fun-loving disagreement; debating in the car from event to event to pass the time.

Now, I saw he was quite serious, and cared even less for how others, even constituents took his views on foreign policy.

Ron and I grew apart. I served as his Travel Aide less and less in 2002/03.

Finally one day in the Summer of 2003, he called on me to accompany him to an event in Victoria. He was acting quite strange in the car. He kept prodding me on foreign policy. I knew he was trying to get me to debate the War in Iraq with him. But I kept my cool the whole trip.

Finally, when we reached Victoria, I made a slight comeback, that I didn't think his particular view on the War was correct. He jumped out of the car and lunged at me. Poking his finger into my chest, he looked me in the eye and said, "I will have nobody working for me on my staff who supports the War in Iraq, even you." I'd only seen this look on Ron maybe once or twice in all my 12 years working for him. He was clearly quite angry with me.

I knew he was trying to provoke me so that he could have justification to fire me. But I kept my cool.

For 6 months after than we didn't speak.

Finally, Chief of Staff Tom Lizardo suggested that Ron and I not talking to each other was not helpful to the "atmosphere" in the District offices. I offered to my friend Tom to resign. We discussed a date, two months out, and a compensation package and I agreed.

I've been asked by others if my former boss is an Anti-Semite. My answer is an emphatic NO. I am half Jewish. I am familiar with Anti-Semites. Ron is not one of them.

But I would say he's very insensitive to issues concerning Israel and for other concerns of Jewish Americans.

Houston Jews were always suspicious of Ron Paul. But Ron could always point to me as his "Jewish Staffer." He would even send me to Synagogues in the District and to Jewish events. But I do remember one time, when a group of Houston Jewish Young Republicans wanted to lobby the Congressman on some issues. I begged Ron to meet with them. He was very hesitant. He finally agreed. But the meeting turned out to be a disaster. The Jewish YRs came all the way from Houston, and all Ron did was berate them in our District Office about how the Israel Lobby was too powerful in Washington, and other issues. He also got defensive when the Jewish YRs expressed concern over Palestinian violence against Israel.

I ran down the hallway after the meeting chasing the group, and apologized profusely to them.

After 9/11 Ron also became much more upfront in his anti-Israel views. He'd even criticize Israel in public speeches which would make me cringe.

Ron Paul and I agree on about 95% of all domestic issues. We disagree on a myriad of foreign policy and defense issues. Still, he was my boss. He was paying me, so I was obligated to toe the line.

This is not why I think less of him today.

Rather, what concerns me most was the fact that for many years he played both sides of the aisle. In the very Conservative South Texas CD, he was always Mr. Red, White, and Blue. If he couldn't make a Veterans event, he made damn sure that his one Vet on staff could go, even if it was just 8 VFW guys meeting for a couple hours 3 hours drive away. Ron was very careful to portray himself in the District as Pro-Troops, and even Pro-Defense.

But after 9/11 and most especially after the War in Iraq, he played up his non-interventionist side to a national audience. This while still keeping the facade of Pro-Troops/Pro-Defense in the District. As late as last year I got a constituent mailing from RP with 4 pages of nothing but Patriotic/Pro-Troops/Pro-Veterans information from the Congressional office. I suspect the reason why RP has gone south on foreign policy for the national audience is simple: To gain more dollars from a National fundraising base, and to gain more National media attention from Liberal media sources.

In closing let me just say, that I don't believe his views represent the views of Congressional District 14 any more. The District, which I live in, is quite considerably more Conservative of foreign policy/defense issues than Ron Paul.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-14   12:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine, Eric Stratton (#17)

longnose gar is fifty yard line on LP.

Ah, of course... longnose gar thus can be added to a long line of handles like Sardine Sandwich, Happyfunballs, padlock, etc, etc, etc...

LOL

NO to Lisbon! I fear a YES verdict more than Swine Flu....

irishthatcherite  posted on  2009-08-14   12:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: irishthatcherite (#32)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-14   13:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: longnose gar (#31)

You can post as many articles as you want and I will agree with Ron Paul. You, like many other Americans, have this belief that the United States has the right to do anything it wants anywhere in the world, regardless of the results our actions have on the peoples of these other countries. You believe that anyone who does not agree with this is anti-American and a liberal. You believe anyone who points out the illogical fallacy of your thinking is an anti-American liberal.

I disagree.

Though privately, Ron leaned non-intervenionist, publicly he was always Pro-Troops, Pro-Veterans, Pro-Defense and quite Patriotic, particularly in his Campaign style.

Ensuring that our soldiers are not killed in meaningless conflicts like Panama, GW1, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan IS being Pro-Troops, Pro-Veterans, Pro-Defense and quite Patriotic. Wanting to send them to these places in order to further party or personal politics is not.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-14   13:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: longnose gar (#1)

Ron Paul never met an Islamist extremist he didn't want to bend over and drop his pants for.

Ron Paul: "Oh do me, Abdul. Harder. Faster."

Ron Paul is hated by lobbyists everywhere, so they have to make up nasty smears. Too bad they don't just admit he won't help them mine the treasury. LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-08-14   13:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

(article) Is Ron Paul the last relevant Republican in Washington?

I support Ron Paul to the hilt
altho I was disappointed in a recent interview he trashed Sarah Palin
I studied her record as both Mayor of Wasilla
and Governor of Alaska
she always served the people, not special interests
yes their views on foreign policy are opposite
but Sarah did send her first born son to Iraq
he is still there
so she is sincere, I just see foreign policy the way Ron Paul does

I would have liked Ron Paul to support Sarah, when entire political establishment is trashing her
maybe his ideology prevents him from appreciating she is honest politician
(when there are so few of those)

or maybe he is envious
that she got the masses behind her
and he didn't succeed in doing that

because a Ron Paul/Sarah Palin ticket would be superb
White House for us in 2012
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2009-08-14   13:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Eric Stratton (#33)

Snifty Glue Bottle is nothing more than a GOP talking points regurgitator.

Hehe.. Snify Glue Bottle.

Or maybe he's here and LP to make conservatives look bad by promoting Bush-botism.

NO to Lisbon! I fear a YES verdict more than Swine Flu....

irishthatcherite  posted on  2009-08-14   13:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: longnose gar (#9)

Like when Dr. Islam says its America's fault a bunch of sand niggers flew planes into the WTCs?

Are you talking about those other descendants of Abraham?

mininggold  posted on  2009-08-14   13:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: X-15 (#18)

George W. Bush wants to hold you down and shove jalapeno peppers up your ass for DARING to point out his failures as POTUS.

I know people who would consider it an honor to have Bush violate their digestive tract. Hell, they'd volunteer.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-08-14   21:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold, longnose gar (#38)

Like when Dr. Islam says its America's fault a bunch of sand niggers flew planes into the WTCs?

Six pointed pointy heads versus eight, y'all give it up now and say wooo and whatnot...

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-08-14   21:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: palo verde (#36)

sarah palin is a zionist war mongering open borders reed blowing in the feral reserve winds.

But then you knew that.

Actually, it's become apparent over the years that you are a mind erased MORAN.

Carry on...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-08-14   22:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: longnose gar (#29)

Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attacked up because we've been over there.

happy repubican wonder balls...no one would know how extremely ignorant you are if you didn't post.

Think about it...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-08-14   22:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rotara (#41)

It's become apparent over the years that you are a mind erased MORAN.

darling I think you mean I am a moron
but a mind erased moran sure is colorful writing

palo verde  posted on  2009-08-15   10:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Rotara, palo verde (#41)

But then you knew that.

Actually, it's become apparent over the years that you are a mind erased MORAN.

You forgot experienced troll who repeatedly posts lies, disinformation and half truths under the guise of being a fragile, flitting butterfly of a woman.

She can't show you three issues of national interest with links that Palin has a stated viewpoint on. Yet will keep posting the declarative statements without one iota of proof

mininggold  posted on  2009-08-15   10:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: longnose gar (#29)

Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attacked up because we've been over there.

yeah, and guess what. we shouldn't be. even your beloved bush admitted Iraq had nothing to do with 911.

christine  posted on  2009-08-15   10:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#44)

Palo experienced troll who repeatedly posts lies, disinformation and half truths ..

Here is what I posted about Sarah Palin
it is all documented facts

I posted when Sarah Palin was Mayor of Wasilla she reduced property taxes 75%
I found that info on WIKI and linked to it
furthermore there were Term Limits as Mayor
Sarah could not run for a 3rd Term, the one who worked closest with her did
and got rid of property taxes altogether
the people who live in Wasilla now do not have to pay any property taxes at all, Sarah Palin gets the credit for this

furthermore Mayor Palin reduced property taxes 75% with only 1% sales tax
while increasing city services

the people of Wasilla voted to increase sales tax to 2% to pay for the fancy expensive sports complex they wanted built for them

And as Governor, she turned the State deficit into a surplus
and returned that money to the people
everyone in Alaska got around $1000 (for both of two years)
Sarah said the amount they get depends on investments
I learned this from watching Governor Palin be interviewed on FOX

Also Governor Palin returned the windfall profits of the Oil companies to the people
everyone in Alaska got check for $1000.
this is documented evidence

her foreign policy is same as Bush's and McCain's
it is not the foreign policy I support
and I did honest soul searching about that before I was willing to support Sarah Palin for VP
the next morning I wrote up the fruits of my soul searching and posted it as article on LP
I copy it here for you below
I wrote it before the GOP convention, about a week after it was announced Sarah would be VP candidate

I admit I was Sarah Palin bot when I wrote this, I am not a Sarah Palin bot now
but I still think she was honest politician who served the people, not special interests

My article written and posted on LP
just before Sarah Pain's first interview on TV (with ABC) was aired to the public

Sarah Palin’s foreign policy is opposite to Ron Paul’s, but I am voting for her despite that
(by Palo Verde)

It is clear Sarah Palin supports same foreign policy as Bush and McCain. Obama and Dems may be demagoguing now that they will have policy of peace, but the record of Dems in Congress all thru Bush admin. shows they have identical foreign policy to his. And Ron Paul says “whoever wins White House will have identical foreign policy.” I agree. Ron Paul says this is why he is voting 3rd party, because foreign policy matters the most to him.

I am for Ron Paul’s foreign policy and is why I campaigned ceaselessly for him when he was candidate.

I agree “whoever wins White House now will have identical foreign policy.” So it comes down to Party and the candidates themselves. I will never allow Dems back in White House, after what I went thru to get Slick Willy out. I had been life-long Dem voter and even remained ultra liberal when I voted straight GOP ticket in 2000. It was because I had watched he Democrats under Slick Willy sink to bottomless corruption.

I was stunned and horrified and vowed never to vote Dem again, and I haven’t and I won’t.

I became libertarian when I became exposed to their views, I had never heard of them when I lived in NYC. Libertarian views are my views.

When I joined LP in 2003 I first heard of Ron Paul. He has always been the man for me since. First I fell in love with him for his views and his votes, then when he became candidate for Prez, I got to see him as a person up there on the debates. A lovelier man you could never find. Both gentle, and a true gentleman, and brilliant.

But he is no longer a candidate, the race will be won by Pubbie or Dem. I might wish that Sarah Palin, who I think will be great for our country, brave host clean serves people not special interests and is whistle blower and corruption fighter -- Sarah does not have Ron Paul’s foreign policy. Our foreign policy will continue as it is, whoever wins White House.

I had to be willing to put foreign policy out of my mind, to see why Sarah Palin as McCain’s Vice President, will be good for America. Why this ticket (now she is on it) will be good for America.

Ron Paul is voting 3rd party and encourages others to do so too.

Dem voters prefer to deceive themselves that a Dem White House will bring peace. This is self-deception since all wars stop on the dime when funding by Congress stops. Dems have had Congress for past two years, and could have stopped both wars at any time. Instead they voted the funding to continue them. And voted for the monstrous budget to maintain the foreign policy Ron Paul does not want and neither do I.

Free vote is expression of free will. Let anyone vote as they choose in this election. Pubbie, Dem, third party, or not at all.

I am writing this now because ABC has just posted the article of what Sarah Palin has said in their interview about foreign policy. And it is a little shocking to me (a passionate supporter of Sarah) to see it all spelled out in black and white.

The only thing to be said on her side about it, is she is completely sincere in these beliefs and ideas, and is willing for her first born son to be in harm’s way in Iraq now to fight for them.

palo verde  posted on  2009-08-15   12:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold (#44)

(Rotara) Actually, it's become apparent over the years that you are a mind erased MORAN.

(mining gold) You forgot experienced troll who repeatedly posts lies, disinformation and half truths under the guise of being a fragile, flitting butterfly of a woman.

She can't show you three issues of national interest with links that Palin has a stated viewpoint on. Yet will keep posting the declarative statements without one iota of proof

Do not post lies about me on the internet, Mining Gold
(you do not want to discredit yourself)
This is friendly well-meant advice from someone who means you well

palo verde  posted on  2009-08-15   13:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: palo verde (#43)

Sorry, dahling, but you're seriesly wrong:


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-08-15   17:33:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: palo verde (#47)

Do not post lies about me on the internet, Mining Gold
(you do not want to discredit yourself)
This is friendly well-meant advice from someone who means you well

Ha ha !!

You're the biggest flake on the Internets !

How's your new career in the Repubican wing of the National Party working out ?

You flip and flop as much as J'Fing Kerry !!

Do the world a favor and take a long break...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-08-15   17:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mininggold (#44)

Total troll or total flake.

Or flakey troll, take your pick.

Piece of work always comes to mind...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-08-15   17:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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