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Title: Would the Real Health Care Bill Please Stand Up?
Source: JBS.org
URL Source: http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/52 ... alth-care-bill-please-stand-up
Published: Aug 14, 2009
Author: Art Thompson
Post Date: 2009-08-14 21:25:01 by farmfriend
Keywords: None
Views: 96
Comments: 6

Would the Real Health Care Bill Please Stand Up?

Written by Art Thompson
Friday, 14 August 2009 15:56

Watching the debate on the health care package currently before the Congress reminds me of one of the old television programs in the 1960s, “To Tell the Truth.”

The basic premise of the show was a panel of distinguished New York personalities would ask questions to see if some invited guests could guess the real person whose background was described by the announcer. If the panel could not identify the person, the question was asked, “Would the Real (Person) Please Stand Up?” We are reminded of this show due to the debate going on over the health care bills, trying to figure out if the “real health care bill” will stand up.

We hear about a number of provisions that seem to be dangerous and the administration saying that they do not exist. Considering the volume of rhetoric back and forth, it becomes difficult to discern what the real bill says, unless you read it.

The debate in the newspapers is interesting. The New York Times is trying to marginalize those opposed to the plan, generally serving as a trumpet for the White House line on the issue about euthanasia, “death panels” for the elderly, that these and other provisions receiving a lot of attention are conservative hysteria.

On the other hand, on the same day, The Wall Street Journal, in its lead editorial said this:

While claims about euthanasia and “death panels” are over the top, senior fears have exposed a fundamental truth about what Mr. Obama is proposing: Namely, once health care is nationalized, or mostly nationalized, rationing care is inevitable, and those who have lived the longest will find their care the most restricted.

If restricting care for the elderly is not a subtle form of euthanasia, I do not know what is — panel or no panel.

The first of the “8 common myths about health insurance reform” from the WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck series of counter arguments for proponents states this:

1. Reform will stop “rationing” — not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a “government takeover” of health care or lead to “rationing.” To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

Note the wording and the term “many forms,” not all, “being used by insurance companies.” It does not say by Medicare, where the rationing of care by the denial of reimbursement is well known among physicians and surgeons.

It is not unusual for the latest and best procedures, the only methods available to reverse a condition or save a life regardless of age, to be denied. And, Medicare is currently the government-run health care for the poor and elderly. It seems doubtful they would change their attitude or policy under any new law that gives even more power to the government over medicine.

Also, note that the White House says it is “a myth that reform will mean a ‘government takeover.’” Read the bill and it does not take long to see that this is entirely false.

At the top of the web page outlining these reforms and myths about the reforms are words calling the opposition: “negative fear-mongers.” Interspersed as well in the site is a subtle but continuing disparaging of private insurance companies and policies.

When you get through reading the site you realize that it is the private insurance companies who are to blame for the high cost of medical care and the rationing of care according to the White House.

The truth is that the growth of government regulation, paperwork, and bureaucracy, along with the sue-happy world we live in, are responsible. Malpractice insurance to cover the latter problem is very expensive and the cost is embedded into the doctors’ fees.

The real danger of the health care “reform” is that not only will care be rationed, specialized disciplines in medicine and surgery will also be rationed as they become rarer. This will be as a natural result of government mandating that all medical staff receive lower pay, reimbursement, and the denial of innovative care by the approval or disapproval by government health boards.

This is already happening and is the reason many physicians and surgeons refuse Medicare patients. They will not be able to refuse under the new “reform.”

The current administration is using the natural desire of people for security to accomplish several things: To place everything that has to do with medicine and health care under the state. Whether it will be a huge leap in this direction, a small step, or an out and out rejection of this notion remains to be seen. And a very disturbing development is the movement to marginalize the opponents in the minds of the American people.

First, the groundwork is being laid for mobilizing masses of people to work for this and future legislation. The administration’s enlisting of liberal and Left organizations to rally to the support of health care legislation by the government is unprecedented in American history at the level we are witnessing.

Second, already we are witnessing tactics by these organizations to silence free speech at public venues against opponents of any legislation. This we are beginning to see at town hall meetings.

These tactics are the harbinger of the problem with government providing security for the people.

Freedom is always the cost.

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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)

It's just wrong to criticise things that used to be in the bill! I'm with the big pharma guys, let's kill these yokels and rob them of all their worldly possessions through the courts!

Ok, so my plan is...round up all the nyquil I have in the house... :)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-08-14   21:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: farmfriend (#0)

It really isn't important as to what the initial bill spells out, including whether the bill that is passed can be used to kill granny . Everything they do, they do incrementally. Once the liberals get the system in place, they will modify it to accomplish whatever sinister agenda that they want. Then it will be too late to do anything about it.

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2009-08-14   23:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#0)

We can talk all we want about ObamaCare being sinister, but our current system with so many hardworking people left with no insurance or underinsured and vulnerable to financial destruction caused by a single illness/accident is just as sinister. We do need something done. The system is very broken. Insurance companies siphon most of the money into profits for investors and CEOs and they are masters of denying payment. Medicare is a bureaucratic nightmare. In my thirty years of doctoring, I have seen a joyfull profession turn into a corporate mess.

The whole problem is we can't trust our legislaters to do the right thing, because our whole system is subverted by money, corporations and lobbyists. Throwing blame at only liberals of "the Left" is stupid. We NEED better healthcare and the folks in Washington right or left can only be trusted to do the wrong thing.

octavia  posted on  2009-08-15   7:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: octavia (#3) (Edited)

We can talk all we want about ObamaCare being sinister, but our current system with so many hardworking people left with no insurance or underinsured and vulnerable to financial destruction caused by a single illness/accident is just as sinister. We do need something done. The system is very broken. Insurance companies siphon most of the money into profits for investors and CEOs and they are masters of denying payment. Medicare is a bureaucratic nightmare. In my thirty years of doctoring, I have seen a joyfull profession turn into a corporate mess.

The whole problem is we can't trust our legislaters to do the right thing, because our whole system is subverted by money, corporations and lobbyists. Throwing blame at only liberals of "the Left" is stupid. We NEED better healthcare and the folks in Washington right or left can only be trusted to do the wrong thing.

Horse shit

In spite of all the liberal crap statistics being thrown around about how bad health care is in America, if I had to be hospitalized somewhere, this is where I would want it to be. Yes, there are problems paying for it, but what we really have is a failure of the economic system as a whole. The proposals being considered merely spread the pain around and introduce more control over the masses. If there was a serious effort to improve health care, it would start with open public hearings (not those like Hillary did with unnamed participants) and we would determine what needed to be accomplished. Instead, we are force fed this crap that has been prepared by some liberal special interest group that has no telling what buried in its belly.

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2009-08-15   8:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Sonovademocrat (#4)

Any search engine query will throw out the result that over one half of American bankruptcies occur because of medical expenses. This is a problem.

Yes, we have the latest and bestest technology, but we deliver poor lifelong care. Countries such as Cuba which deliver womb to death care for all as basic societal infrastructure have much higher doctor to patient ratios than the US and much better(5.8 versus 7 per thousand deaths) infant mortality rates. People with a good job, good health insurance, and money get fairly good care. Self pay patients tend to get financially rationed care and they leave the hospitals much sooner than insured patients. Lets not even discuss ER care, which bears the brunt of uncompensared care. The ER system is failing accross the US.

The problem with this round of health care reform is the lack of citizen input. They arent even listening to doctors. They seem to be following in the footsteps of the Massachusetts plan which is an abject failure. People are rightfully frightened that they will create a monster worse than what we have now. What we see across the US at town hall meetings is a lethal mix of fear and anger. We no longer trust our legislators, right or left, to do the right thing. Afterall these are the same people, right and left, who took us into disasterous "cakewalk" wars, then voted to let the banking/financial industry finish looting our assets with "bailouts".

octavia  posted on  2009-08-15   12:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: octavia (#5)

I think we are agreeing.

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2009-08-15   18:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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