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Title: The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.
Source: http://www.progressive.org/wx081209b.html
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Published: Aug 15, 2009
Author: Matthew Rothschild
Post Date: 2009-08-15 16:50:02 by Freedomsnotfree
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Views: 1892
Comments: 68

The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S. By Matthew Rothschild, August 12, 2009

The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster.

This request has already occasioned a dispute with the nation’s governors. And it raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

In June, the U.S. Northern Command distributed a “Congressional Fact Sheet” entitled “Legislative Proposal for Activation of Federal Reserve Forces for Disasters.” That proposal would amend current law, thereby “authorizing the Secretary of Defense to order any unit or member of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and the Marine Corps Reserve, to active duty for a major disaster or emergency.”

Taken together, these reserve units would amount to “more than 379,000 military personnel in thousands of communities across the United States,” explained

Paul Stockton, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America’s Security Affairs, in a letter to the National Governors Association, dated July 20.

The governors were not happy about this proposal, since they want to maintain control of their own National Guard forces, as well as military personnel acting in a domestic capacity in their states.

“We are concerned that the legislative proposal you discuss in your letter would invite confusion on critical command and control issues,” Governor James H. Douglas of Vermont and Governor Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, the president and vice president of the governors’ association, wrote in a letter back to Stockton on August 7. The governors asserted that they “must have tactical control over all . . . active duty and reserve military forces engaged in domestic operations within the governor’s state or territory.”

According to Pentagon public affairs officer Lt. Col. Almarah K. Belk, Stockton has not responded formally to the governors but understands their concerns.

“There is a rub there,” she said. “If the Secretary calls up the reserve personnel to provide support in a state and retains command and control of those forces, the governors are concerned about if I have command and control of the Guard, how do we ensure unity of effort and everyone is communicating and not running over each other.”

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#1. To: Freedomsnotfree (#0)

If that means pulling troops back from the foreign countries they have no business being in, then I'm alright with this. Then we can begin working on replacing our over-sized standing army with a Switzerland-type military in which we are ALL bonafide members of the militia, even in the eyes of the scum who claim that the 2A doesn't apply to individuals. This would knock out two birds with one stone.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-08-15   16:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hayek Fan, original_intent, psusa (#1)

If that means pulling troops back from the foreign countries they have no business being in, then I'm alright with this. Then we can begin...

You're falling into a common trap. You're limiting yourself to two choices, and giving in rhetorically because it's "the lesser of two evils," when there is are more choices to be had - including the more likely one that wasn't mentioned: Barry will keep the troops overseas and turn us into a giant concentration camp. But did you see how you gave in to it by rationalizing something that wasn't true? These are the things you have to be aware of with psyops. Regardless of any fictional trade-off, this defies every legal and ethical rule in the book and rational people should be outraged at it. This is what desensitization has done. It's made people tend to give up and give in to obscenity whether it be social engineering by the electronic jew via hollywood or tactical engineering by TheStateInc.

IndieTX  posted on  2009-08-15   17:31:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IndieTX (#3)

IIRC only about 10% of the army are combat troops. If I am right, or maybe it's less, then that makes 40,000 JBTs or less to worry about. Considering how big this country is, that's not nearly enough. That is less than 1000 per state. It will take more than that to lock down a small city.

You start playing games with peoples rights under martial law, you open up a whole new can of worms, and a whole new can of whoop ass. You seem to think they will just put up with it. I don't. Have you tried buying a case of 5.56 or 7.62 x whatever lately? Last I heard Bushmaster had a several month waiting list for ARs. Let's just hope they will use them when provoked.

They do not have the manpower to lock this country down by using military force. What I am concerned about is them using food as a weapon just like every other African dictator does.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-15   17:55:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA (#9)

IIRC only about 10% of the army are combat troops. If I am right, or maybe it's less, then that makes 40,000 JBTs or less to worry about. Considering how big this country is, that's not nearly enough. That is less than 1000 per state. It will take more than that to lock down a small city.

You start playing games with peoples rights under martial law, you open up a whole new can of worms, and a whole new can of whoop ass. You seem to think they will just put up with it. I don't. Have you tried buying a case of 5.56 or 7.62 x whatever lately? Last I heard Bushmaster had a several month waiting list for ARs. Let's just hope they will use them when provoked.

I could not agree more.

Thinking that they can beat us at 80 to 1 odds in our favor (from a firearms standpoint) is ludicrous. They couldn't keep the small Iraqi resistance contained, imagine if they faced guns behind every blade of grass here at home? It would be suicide for them.

They do not have the manpower to lock this country down by using military force. What I am concerned about is them using food as a weapon just like every other African dictator does.

Africa has a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to food. Hard to grow stuff in the desert or the hot arid plains. On the other hand, you can grow ten acres of corn here in Ohio if you walk out on your back deck and spit on the ground. Controlling food would be a much more difficult thing to do here, given as you can pretty much grow a year's worth of veges/fruits in your back yard with minimal effort. Maybe out west, but the midwest and east coast, and South, it would be pretty much impossible to do I think.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-17   8:51:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)

Controlling food would be a much more difficult thing to do here, given as you can pretty much grow a year's worth of veges/fruits in your back yard with minimal effort. Maybe out west, but the midwest and east coast, and South, it would be pretty much impossible to do I think.

Agreed. That is true for those that have prepared, or those that will eat Bear Grylls style.

But for those that depend on the local supermarket for food, it is a problem.

I'll get food and water one way or another. But not everyone can do that.

I will miss my White Castles though ;)

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-17   9:23:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: PSUSA (#25)

Agreed. That is true for those that have prepared, or those that will eat Bear Grylls style.

We've started storing food long term the last few months. Incrementally, little bit at a time so it's not a huge painful bite at once. Figure a year's supply in air evacuated sealed mylar bags (stored in 5 gallon heavy plastic buckets) does the trick, with proper rotation once the full supply is in.

THEN...buying Heirloom seeds, not "hybrids", and we're set. Since we have the heirloom seeds now, we're cooking with gas for food over 1 year.

But for those that depend on the local supermarket for food, it is a problem.

Well, what can you do though? I guess in a hypothetical breakdown you help the neighbors as much as you can, while teaching them to be self sufficient. It's not that hard, we all used to be mostly self sufficient just 100 years ago and prior. Other than that, lay low, guard the garden is the new "work" and get on with life.

I'll get food and water one way or another. But not everyone can do that.

I think that they can, but have forgotten how.

I will miss my White Castles though ;)

Heh.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-17   9:34:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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