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Title: The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.
Source: http://www.progressive.org/wx081209b.html
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Published: Aug 15, 2009
Author: Matthew Rothschild
Post Date: 2009-08-15 16:50:02 by Freedomsnotfree
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Views: 1853
Comments: 68

The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S. By Matthew Rothschild, August 12, 2009

The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster.

This request has already occasioned a dispute with the nation’s governors. And it raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

In June, the U.S. Northern Command distributed a “Congressional Fact Sheet” entitled “Legislative Proposal for Activation of Federal Reserve Forces for Disasters.” That proposal would amend current law, thereby “authorizing the Secretary of Defense to order any unit or member of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and the Marine Corps Reserve, to active duty for a major disaster or emergency.”

Taken together, these reserve units would amount to “more than 379,000 military personnel in thousands of communities across the United States,” explained

Paul Stockton, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America’s Security Affairs, in a letter to the National Governors Association, dated July 20.

The governors were not happy about this proposal, since they want to maintain control of their own National Guard forces, as well as military personnel acting in a domestic capacity in their states.

“We are concerned that the legislative proposal you discuss in your letter would invite confusion on critical command and control issues,” Governor James H. Douglas of Vermont and Governor Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, the president and vice president of the governors’ association, wrote in a letter back to Stockton on August 7. The governors asserted that they “must have tactical control over all . . . active duty and reserve military forces engaged in domestic operations within the governor’s state or territory.”

According to Pentagon public affairs officer Lt. Col. Almarah K. Belk, Stockton has not responded formally to the governors but understands their concerns.

“There is a rub there,” she said. “If the Secretary calls up the reserve personnel to provide support in a state and retains command and control of those forces, the governors are concerned about if I have command and control of the Guard, how do we ensure unity of effort and everyone is communicating and not running over each other.”

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#39. To: Freedomsnotfree (#0)

400,000 troops would not be enough to control the U.S. through martial law.

Though, it would be enough to seize control of the government in the form of a coup.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-08-17   12:39:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: PaulCJ (#39)

True...but with the agreements and laws that have been passed, it's now legal to also use foreign troops as support...still, it would take a massive force and I don't see them being successful.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2009-08-17   13:08:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Freedomsnotfree (#40)

True...but with the agreements and laws that have been passed, it's now legal to also use foreign troops as support...still, it would take a massive force and I don't see them being successful.

It would take a force of at least one soldier for every hundred people to loosely control a nation.

Since the population of the U.S. is a around 300 million people, a standing army of at least 3 million soldiers would be needed for control of the U.S.

Even China does not have that large an army.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-08-17   15:15:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: PaulCJ (#41)

It would take a force of at least one soldier for every hundred people to loosely control a nation.

A largely unarmed nation, agreed.

When you have a large percentage of the population armed? I suspect that the ratio may be a bit larger (from their viewpoint).

No military on earth can fight an 80 million man army. Even if they eliminate half from attrition or gun turn ins, that's still a 40 million man army consisting of folks who look like everybody else and who don't wear uniforms.

Good luck with that occupation! :)

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-17 15:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: PaulCJ (#41)

I don't think a force of 3 million could no it...look no farther than Iraq, a country the size of California, and Baghdad, a city the size of Atlanta...our military has been bogged down for 6 years and can't get control.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2009-08-17 16:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: PaulCJ (#41)

Well the police would side with the government greatly expanding the government forces. And they'd be the ones a dictator would use. With advanced tracking due the technological advancements we've made, it is probably possible to subdue the United States.

The only hope any resistance would have would be a "blitz". Attack the government in mass, at their source. Tear it down as soon as possible.

Any prolonged conflict is a government win. They'll track you down using electronic surveillance, they'll infiltrate resistance groups, and they'd hunt you down like dogs.

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