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Title: The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.
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Published: Aug 15, 2009
Author: Matthew Rothschild
Post Date: 2009-08-15 16:50:02 by Freedomsnotfree
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The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S. By Matthew Rothschild, August 12, 2009 The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster. This request has already occasioned a dispute with the nation’s governors. And it raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. In June, the U.S. Northern Command distributed a “Congressional Fact Sheet” entitled “Legislative Proposal for Activation of Federal Reserve Forces for Disasters.” That proposal would amend current law, thereby “authorizing the Secretary of Defense to order any unit or member of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and the Marine Corps Reserve, to active duty for a major disaster or emergency.” Taken together, these reserve units would amount to “more than 379,000 military personnel in thousands of communities across the United States,” explained Paul Stockton, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and America’s Security Affairs, in a letter to the National Governors Association, dated July 20. The governors were not happy about this proposal, since they want to maintain control of their own National Guard forces, as well as military personnel acting in a domestic capacity in their states. “We are concerned that the legislative proposal you discuss in your letter would invite confusion on critical command and control issues,” Governor James H. Douglas of Vermont and Governor Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, the president and vice president of the governors’ association, wrote in a letter back to Stockton on August 7. The governors asserted that they “must have tactical control over all . . . active duty and reserve military forces engaged in domestic operations within the governor’s state or territory.” According to Pentagon public affairs officer Lt. Col. Almarah K. Belk, Stockton has not responded formally to the governors but understands their concerns. “There is a rub there,” she said. “If the Secretary calls up the reserve personnel to provide support in a state and retains command and control of those forces, the governors are concerned about if I have command and control of the Guard, how do we ensure unity of effort and everyone is communicating and not running over each other.” more at link
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#1. To: Freedomsnotfree (#0)
If that means pulling troops back from the foreign countries they have no business being in, then I'm alright with this. Then we can begin working on replacing our over-sized standing army with a Switzerland-type military in which we are ALL bonafide members of the militia, even in the eyes of the scum who claim that the 2A doesn't apply to individuals. This would knock out two birds with one stone.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
This is so barry and his "czars" can install their "change"...count on it.
You're falling into a common trap. You're limiting yourself to two choices, and giving in rhetorically because it's "the lesser of two evils," when there is are more choices to be had - including the more likely one that wasn't mentioned: Barry will keep the troops overseas and turn us into a giant concentration camp. But did you see how you gave in to it by rationalizing something that wasn't true? These are the things you have to be aware of with psyops. Regardless of any fictional trade-off, this defies every legal and ethical rule in the book and rational people should be outraged at it. This is what desensitization has done. It's made people tend to give up and give in to obscenity whether it be social engineering by the electronic jew via hollywood or tactical engineering by TheStateInc.
"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark, It's Government intimadation 101 folks, with that many troops on US streets, there's bound to be short tempers flaring. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
It's just keeps getting better and better, eh shit for brains ?
I don't know what you are talking about. I said nothing about the lessor of two evils. Nor do I know what you are talking about when you say that I am rationalizing something that isn't true. What's not true? It is a fact that we have troops spread across the world that have no business being there. Bring them home. I'm afraid I do not know exactly where you are coming from. including the more likely one that wasn't mentioned: Barry will keep the troops overseas and turn us into a giant concentration camp. So you believe that 400,000 Americans will rush to join a domestic military? I don't see it happening.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Of course they will, it will be open season for them to bash citizens heads and get on youtube.
Of course they will, it will be open season for them to bash citizens heads and get on youtube. Then those 400,000 Americans will be killed by the 60,000,000 gun owners who won't put up with this kind of bullshit.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
IIRC only about 10% of the army are combat troops. If I am right, or maybe it's less, then that makes 40,000 JBTs or less to worry about. Considering how big this country is, that's not nearly enough. That is less than 1000 per state. It will take more than that to lock down a small city. You start playing games with peoples rights under martial law, you open up a whole new can of worms, and a whole new can of whoop ass. You seem to think they will just put up with it. I don't. Have you tried buying a case of 5.56 or 7.62 x whatever lately? Last I heard Bushmaster had a several month waiting list for ARs. Let's just hope they will use them when provoked. They do not have the manpower to lock this country down by using military force. What I am concerned about is them using food as a weapon just like every other African dictator does. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
The whole idea of troops on US streets is to provoke violence. So, when that violence erupts, those troops can justifiy taking prisoners to the camps.
Like Whistler at a Jodling contest.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Citizens should all get barbed wire fences around your garden veggies.
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life." -- Osama bin Laden
those in DC have done what no "terrorist" could do...they are changing our form of government...how convenient
Aren't troops supposed to be stationed in country to begin with? In a defense-only type military I mean? Aren't there hundreds of thousands already stationed here already (Ft. Bragg, Ft. Campbell, Ft..pick a name)? I'm not sure I quite get it.
You start playing games with peoples rights under martial law, you open up a whole new can of worms, and a whole new can of whoop ass. You seem to think they will just put up with it. I don't. Have you tried buying a case of 5.56 or 7.62 x whatever lately? Last I heard Bushmaster had a several month waiting list for ARs. Let's just hope they will use them when provoked. I could not agree more. Thinking that they can beat us at 80 to 1 odds in our favor (from a firearms standpoint) is ludicrous. They couldn't keep the small Iraqi resistance contained, imagine if they faced guns behind every blade of grass here at home? It would be suicide for them. They do not have the manpower to lock this country down by using military force. What I am concerned about is them using food as a weapon just like every other African dictator does. Africa has a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to food. Hard to grow stuff in the desert or the hot arid plains. On the other hand, you can grow ten acres of corn here in Ohio if you walk out on your back deck and spit on the ground. Controlling food would be a much more difficult thing to do here, given as you can pretty much grow a year's worth of veges/fruits in your back yard with minimal effort. Maybe out west, but the midwest and east coast, and South, it would be pretty much impossible to do I think.
being stationed in a base and "posted" in the population are two very different things. The Military Commissions Act was passed a few years ago that virtually eliminates Posse Comitatus, the ability of the government to use American soldiers on American civilians...just months after the Military Commissions Act was passed, another bill was passed that allows for foreign troops to be used on American people. If they have no intention of using military force on the American people...why the change in policy?
a quick follow-up...I absolutely want our men and women home...on the border would be nice. I DON'T want them scattered all over the world as policemen...BUT, if they are brought home and not put on the border, bring them back as civilians...not under the authority of these globalist/control freaks.
"They" would have everything to lose and nothing to gain by pulling such a stunt. They're out numbered by a huge factor, by a highly educated and technologically literate society that more or less makes THEIR weapons for them (so we know how to use them), and they know it. I suspect that large scale contingencies like this may be on paper, but they are pipe dreams in reality on a large scale. Could be wrong of course, but I suspect that they wouldn't dare pull such a stunt unless it was a last gambit before their own self destruction.
Totally agree.
It could happen if people need jobs and none are available in the private sector.
I have an advantage that you might not have. My advantage is: I know how big this country is. I have traveled it from border to border, coast to coast. I drove thru the vast majority of the 48 states in my first month on the job. The rest of them I went thru later. It's uncontrollable. In order to lock this country down by some kind of invasion would be the ultimate logistical nightmare. They couldn't do it. It is physically impossible. But if the vaccine is a bioweapon, like some believe it might be, then they COULD do it. Making this mandatory is ... not wise... if you know what I mean. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
Much more effective to control water.
Agreed. That is true for those that have prepared, or those that will eat Bear Grylls style. But for those that depend on the local supermarket for food, it is a problem. I'll get food and water one way or another. But not everyone can do that. I will miss my White Castles though ;) .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
I agree...but desperate people do desperate things...and these folks are running out of time. These globalist won't be impeached...they'll be tried for treason, and they know it.
In arid or semi-arid regions, agreed. In the midwest (where I live), the east coast or the south? They'd have more luck controlling whether the sun shined. I can easily supply my home's current and undiminished full water needs and then some just by a roof catchment system (which, as it happens, I have installed but am using for gardening and yard only right now). Simple as pie.
I agree...this country is HUGE, I've traveled from coast to coast and top to bottom...I think you also might be right about the vaccine...i don't put anything past these folks.
I agree, it would be difficult. Why go to all that trouble?
We've started storing food long term the last few months. Incrementally, little bit at a time so it's not a huge painful bite at once. Figure a year's supply in air evacuated sealed mylar bags (stored in 5 gallon heavy plastic buckets) does the trick, with proper rotation once the full supply is in. THEN...buying Heirloom seeds, not "hybrids", and we're set. Since we have the heirloom seeds now, we're cooking with gas for food over 1 year. But for those that depend on the local supermarket for food, it is a problem. Well, what can you do though? I guess in a hypothetical breakdown you help the neighbors as much as you can, while teaching them to be self sufficient. It's not that hard, we all used to be mostly self sufficient just 100 years ago and prior. Other than that, lay low, guard the garden is the new "work" and get on with life. I'll get food and water one way or another. But not everyone can do that. I think that they can, but have forgotten how. I will miss my White Castles though ;) Heh.
If you were allowed to keep it.
We have to stop living in distopia lucysmom. Defeatism has to be done away with. They couldn't lock down the small Iraqi resistance, in Baghdad alone even, with hundreds of thousands of troops that were once there. They certainly can't lock down a nation our size, with rifles behind every blade of grass pointing at them. Stop living in a position of fear. We have the clear advantage on all points. They can no more control us if we don't want to be controlled, than they can control the temperature of Pluto. The attitude of the liberty minded folks needs to change. We hold the cards, ultimately, not them. Stop with the submissive and slave like attitudes and learn to have confidence again.
Frankly, I think the notion that there is a plot to control the US by force is absurd. I can't imagine what end would make the effort/cost worth while.
I agree. I'm just trying to get the whole "if they let us" type of submissiveness thrown into the rubbish bin of history. :)
I was just thinking about that. WE're getting rain coming in, and we got wet yesterday. I noticed that there is a lot of water in the downspouts just pouring onto the ground. Trim the downspout and channel that water into garbage cans and any other containers you have and you're set for some time. Add a plastic sheet / tarp or 3 to catch the rain coming down into the yard for some good drinking water. Those that have sump pumps in the basement have another source of water. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
I believe that the estimate is, for an average roof, that you're going to get about 600+ gallons per inch of rain off of the roof. Trim the downspout and channel that water into garbage cans and you're set for some time. If I can offer a suggestion? Instead of garbage cans, try 55 gallon food grade plastic barrels. You can get them off of craigslist sometimes for $5 or less a barrel, with lids (make sure it's black or blue, not white, to retard algae growth). Cut a hole in the bottom and install a spigot. Grab a rain catcher closed system downspout diverter (about $25.00 off of eBay, I can get a brand name when I get home tonight, it's all over the place though), plug it into the top of the barrel, and you don't have to worry about mosquitoes. The diverter stops filling the barrel when it's full and pushes the water back down the normal downspout when it happens. Neat system, cheap and very easy to install. You can hook together barrels with standard pvc if you've got a few hours and make the system as big as you want. I'm expanding my system next year, keeping the barrels under the deck, hooked on their collective bottoms by pvc joins with one spigot out the end of my deck, so it's all invisible to the neighbors. You can get more elaborate, make a roof-wash system for about $20.00 that diverts the first few gallons from the roof off so it doesn't collect in the system, which removes a lot of pollutants right from the get go. Those that have sump pumps in the basement have another source of water. There are mostly automatic purification systems you can get for the home out there, fwiw. Rain water straight off the roof does need a bit of work, if you don't have a roof washer, or have an "open" system (the plastic over top of a simple barrel where mosquitoes can infiltrate).
Good info there! What I was thinking of was some kind of solar still. Not the useless ones you see in every survival manual out there, but something along the lines of a solar oven. Something like this: www.builditsolar.com/Proj...g/cooking.htm#SolarStills Water can also be pasteurized instead of boiled. www.solarcooking.org/pasteurization/default.htm That technology can save a lot of lives. Good idea about the food grade barrels! My brother manages a restaurant. He might have access to some.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
Solar stills and pasteurization are good calls, but keep in mind that if you live where water is by and large plentiful, you probably don't get full sun all the time. Just something to keep in mind. There's lots of info out there on water catchment. Sounds like you're off to a good start, builditsolar, is a great site for practical ideas.
400,000 troops would not be enough to control the U.S. through martial law. Though, it would be enough to seize control of the government in the form of a coup.
True...but with the agreements and laws that have been passed, it's now legal to also use foreign troops as support...still, it would take a massive force and I don't see them being successful.
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#2. To: Hayek Fan (#1)
#3. To: Hayek Fan, original_intent, psusa (#1)
If that means pulling troops back from the foreign countries they have no business being in, then I'm alright with this. Then we can begin...
For the straightforward pathway had been lost." - Dante's Inferno
#4. To: Freedomsnotfree (#0)
U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.
#5. To: WEASEL MIKE, the ferret, ferret mike (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#6. To: IndieTX (#3)
You're falling into a common trap. You're limiting yourself to two choices, and giving in rhetorically because it's "the lesser of two evils," when there is are more choices to be had - including the more likely one that wasn't mentioned: Barry will keep the troops overseas and turn us into a giant concentration camp. But did you see how you gave in to it by rationalizing something that wasn't true? These are the things you have to be aware of with psyops. Regardless of any fictional trade-off, this defies every legal and ethical rule in the book and rational people should be outraged at it. This is what desensitization has done. It's made people tend to give up and give in to obscenity whether it be social engineering by the electronic jew via hollywood or tactical engineering by TheStateInc.
#7. To: Hayek Fan (#6)
400,000 Americans will rush to join a domestic military?
#8. To: sizzlerguy (#7)
400,000 Americans will rush to join a domestic military?
#9. To: IndieTX (#3)
#10. To: WEASEL MIKE, the ferret, ferret mike, Obamanation Sucker (#5)
#11. To: Hayek Fan (#8)
60,000,000 gun owners
#12. To: sizzlerguy (#7)
Of course they will, it will be open season for them to bash citizens heads and get on youtube.
#13. To: PSUSA (#9)
food as a weapon
#14. To: Freedomsnotfree, all (#0)
quote from my homepage
"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark, For the straightforward pathway had been lost." - Dante
#15. To: IndieTX (#14)
#16. To: Freedomsnotfree (#0)
#17. To: PSUSA (#9)
IIRC only about 10% of the army are combat troops. If I am right, or maybe it's less, then that makes 40,000 JBTs or less to worry about. Considering how big this country is, that's not nearly enough. That is less than 1000 per state. It will take more than that to lock down a small city.
#18. To: SonOfLiberty (#16)
#19. To: SonOfLiberty (#16)
#20. To: Freedomsnotfree (#18)
#21. To: Freedomsnotfree (#19)
a quick follow-up...I absolutely want our men and women home...on the border would be nice. I DON'T want them scattered all over the world as policemen...BUT, if they are brought home and not put on the border, bring them back as civilians...not under the authority of these globalist/control freaks.
#22. To: Hayek Fan (#6)
So you believe that 400,000 Americans will rush to join a domestic military? I don't see it happening.
#23. To: Freedomsnotfree (#18)
#24. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)
#25. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)
Controlling food would be a much more difficult thing to do here, given as you can pretty much grow a year's worth of veges/fruits in your back yard with minimal effort. Maybe out west, but the midwest and east coast, and South, it would be pretty much impossible to do I think.
#26. To: SonOfLiberty (#20)
#27. To: lucysmom (#24)
Much more effective to control water.
#28. To: PSUSA (#23)
#29. To: PSUSA (#23)
It's uncontrollable. In order to lock this country down by some kind of invasion would be the ultimate logistical nightmare. They couldn't do it. It is physically impossible.
#30. To: PSUSA (#25)
Agreed. That is true for those that have prepared, or those that will eat Bear Grylls style.
#31. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
I can easily supply my home's current and undiminished full water needs and then some just by a roof catchment system (which, as it happens, I have installed but am using for gardening and yard only right now). Simple as pie.
#32. To: lucysmom (#31)
#33. To: SonOfLiberty (#32)
Stop with the submissive and slave like attitudes and learn to have confidence again.
#34. To: lucysmom (#33)
#35. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
(Edited)
I can easily supply my home's current and undiminished full water needs and then some just by a roof catchment system (which, as it happens, I have installed but am using for gardening and yard only right now). Simple as pie.
#36. To: PSUSA (#35)
WE're getting rain coming in, and we got wet yesterday. I noticed that there is a lot of water in the downspouts just pouring onto the ground.
#37. To: SonOfLiberty (#36)
There are mostly automatic purification systems you can get for the home out there, fwiw. Rain water straight off the roof does need a bit of work, if you don't have a roof washer, or have an "open" system (the plastic over top of a simple barrel where mosquitoes can infiltrate).
#38. To: PSUSA (#37)
#39. To: Freedomsnotfree (#0)
#40. To: PaulCJ (#39)
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