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Title: Why Do People Hate Bush So Much?
Source: americasnewgenesis
URL Source: http://americasnewgenesis.com/?p=11751
Published: Aug 16, 2009
Author: americasnewgenesis
Post Date: 2009-08-16 10:47:28 by longnose gar
Keywords: bushmtrushmore, bushnationalpark, bushonthedollarbill, bushnationalmemorial
Views: 1298
Comments: 85

He has taken the worst dictator in the world out of power, put Bin Laden and Al Quada on the run, created a strong democracy in Iraq, and kept another terrorist attack from happening.

He hasn;t had the best of luck as President:

-9/11

-Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Ike, Gustav (many others i cant remember)

-The democrats widely control the senate and house, so its hard for the man to get things done.

He has had no sex scandals (Mr. Clinton)

He is very strong in hs faith

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#21. To: sneakypete (#19)

Really? Where were 15 or the 19 hijackers from?

The were not sent here under the authority of the House of Saud.

Where was bin Laden from?

He was disowned by the Royal Family.

Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US against terror.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-16   11:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: longnose gar (#21)

Where was bin Laden from?

He was disowned by the Royal Family.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread342338/pg1

Osama Bin Laden is Tim Osman a CIA operative

There have been countless threads implicating Bin Laden and the CIA.

We know from the Afghan war that the US supported the Mujahadeen. That is fact. Was he still on the payroll prior to 911? Well, that is what we are here to find out. The CIA met with him in July of 2001 a few months prior to the 911 attacks. They must have known something was up then.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: longnose gar, sneakypete, all (#21)

Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US against terror.

Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US Bush Fambly against terror competition in the Oil Markets.

There, fixed it.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   11:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: longnose gar (#21)

Where was bin Laden from?

www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_cia.html

Osama bin Laden, A.K.A.

CIA Asset "Tim Osman"

Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments. [...] There is some evidence that Tim Osman ... visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment. Why hasn't this been reported in the major media? [Full article]

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TwentyTwelve (#17)

The author of that tripe is a leftist POS ACLU type lawyer.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-16   11:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: longnose gar (#21)

www.prisonplanet.com/arti.../271107_cia_informant.htm

Alleged Trainer Of 9/11 Hijackers a CIA Informant

Sakka attempts to plug holes in 9/11 official story, claims Hanjour did not pilot Flight 77

Paul Joseph Watson

Prison Planet

Tuesday, November 27, 2007

The man who claims to have trained six of the 9/11 hijackers is a paid CIA informant according to Turkish intelligence specialists, who also assert that Al-Qaeda is merely the name of a secret service operation designed to foment a strategy of tension around the world.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: longnose gar (#0)

Why Do People Hate Bush So Much?

You know I have a brother-in-law that hates Bush. Yep, he's queer.

All of a sudden dissent is no longer patriotic.

4 givan 1  posted on  2009-08-16   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: longnose gar, TwentyTwelve (#25)

author of that tripe is a leftist POS ACLU type lawyer.

Argumentum Ad Hominem

And your legitimate refutation is?

Oh, you don't have one, so you must resort to attacking the messenger and trying to divert from the point.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   11:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: longnose gar (#25)

The author of that tripe is a leftist POS ACLU type lawyer.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

Rule Number Nine

Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:38:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TwentyTwelve (#29)

No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered,

No evidence was offered, just the biased bullshit opinion of a leftist lawyer.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-16   11:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: longnose gar (#30) (Edited)

just the biased bullshit opinion of a leftist lawyer.

"But the current incumbent (George W. Bush) is a special case. After all, 81 percent of Americans, according to a recent New York Times poll, believe he’s taken the country on the wrong track. That’s the highest number ever registered. The same poll also says 28 percent have a favorable view of his performance in office, which is also in Nixon-in-the-darkest-days-of-Watergate territory."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: longnose gar (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-16   11:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: longnose gar (#30)

christianparty.net/wtcpoll.png

christianparty.net/wtc.htm

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-08-16   11:48:56 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: longnose gar, TwentyTwelve, christine, all (#30)

The question that most intrigues me is: Who do you work for?

I say work because only blithering idiot could believe and still support some of the stuff you do without being paid.

The other question is: What in the news are you trying to keep the forum diverted from and not discussing?

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   11:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: longnose gar (#0)

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

Monday, February 19, 2007

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake, being used To deflect 9/11 "conspiracy theories"

A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called "9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly After the attacks, is an outright fake that has been used by US intelligence Agencies to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: longnose gar (#0)

• September 16, 2001 - President Bush says Osama Bin Laden is the "prime suspect."

"Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this?

THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." - White House (09/16/01)

************************************************

President Bush says Osama Bin Laden is the "prime suspect."

"Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this?

THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that." - White House (09/16/01)


Remember, on June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” This should be headline news worldwide. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the U.S. media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the U.S. media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account? And on those few rare occasions when a 9/11 dissenter has made it upon the airways, why has the mainstream media ridiculed the guest as a conspiracy nut, rather than listen to the evidence that clearly raises valid questions about the government’s 9/11 account? Why is the Big Media Conglomeration blindly content with the government’s 9/11 story when so much verifiable information to the contrary is available with a few clicks of a computer mouse?

Who is it that is controlling the media message, and how is it that the U.S. media has indicted Usama Bin Laden for the events of September 11, 2001, but the U.S. government has not? How is it that the FBI has no “hard evidence” connecting Usama Bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the U.S. media has played the Bin Laden - 9/11 connection story for five years now as if it has conclusive evidence that Bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?

…No hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11… Think about it.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: longnose gar (#0)

'cuz he and John McAnus gave America Barry Soetoro.

Thanks for nuthin', Jr.

Old Fud  posted on  2009-08-16   12:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#20)

To which would could ask whose CIA did Tim Osman a.k.a. Osama Ben Goldstein work for?

Not the one in the fantasy world that conspiracy freaks from both the left and the right live in. The one that is based in DC,and follows the orders of the president.

What evidence links Osama to 911?

His own words.

Certainly none the FBI is aware of as they do not list 911 on his Most Wanted Sheet.

How did Osama bring down WTC 7?

How did Osama cause NORAD to stand down the day of 911?

He got together with Hitler,Stalin,Nixon,and Jim-Mah Cawtur,and they all met at CIA headquarters to eat a Build-a-Burger and take orders from Satan while the Illuminati stood around holding flashlights so they could read their orders . Or Dick Cheney. Which ever one it is that controls the CIA and the world.

Or is it the CIA that controls Satan and Dick Cheney? This is all so confusing.

There,that should make every conspiracy freak in the world wet their pants with joy.

How did Osama get a warning to the employees of Odigo, an Israeli Owned company, an hour before the attacks?

How did Osama alert people to Short Sell United and American Airlines the week before 911?

Beats me. Could it be that people like Prince (now King) Abdullah was the one giving bin Laden orders? After all,he was his Prince. Abdullah was at one time the larges shareholder in Citi-Bank,and held substantial stock in most major bluechip US corporations,including Ford and GM.

C'mon 'nose - I'm sure you have some convincing explanations.

The only thing that will ever convince you would be words blaming it on Cheney,the Jews,and the CIA. If it ain't what you want to hear,you are not going to listen.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: longnose gar (#21)

The were not sent here under the authority of the House of Saud.

Uh,huh. And how do you know that? A fairy from the RNC whisper it in your ear?

Where was bin Laden from?

He was disowned by the Royal Family.

Yeah,and Barney Franks is a married man. Which is is. He's still married to his wife. Does that make him a heterosexual?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: TwentyTwelve (#22)

There have been countless threads implicating Bin Laden and the CIA.

The old "5 million Frenchmen can't be wrong" theory?

Like all good theories,it has a basis in truth. bin Laden DID get money and other assistance from the CIA when he was fighting against the Russians in Afghanistan. That relationship ended when the Russians pulled out.

AND....here is the important point here,so pay attention! bin Laden was REALLY working for Islam and bin Laden,and just taking the help and the money where he could get it. It was a relationship of convenience on both sides,not one of conviction.

Was he still on the payroll prior to 911?

No. He was a suspect in the embassy bombings in Africa,as well as the bombing of the USS Cole. Billy Waugh,who used to work for the CIA and knew him from the days when they were both in Afghanistan spotted bin Laden at a party in Khartoum while he was tracking Carlos,the Jackal in Khartoum in the early 90's and setting up a hit on him. He knew bin Laden was a suspect in the African bombings,and requesting permission from the CIA to kill him. Permission was denied,mostly because both Carlos and bin Laden were both there with the covert permission of the government there,and the US State Dept were worried about creating a Diplomatic Incident. Billy ended up following bin Laden to the airport and watching him fly out of the country.

He wasn't allowed to make the hit on Carlos,either. Again,it was the US State Dept that prevented this. They created a deal with the French to come into the country to arrest him and take him back to France for a trial,and Billy took pictures of the French hauling him off and his crying wife leaving the villa after the French left.

BTW,Billy Waugh is the real deal. He was a MSG A-Team leader on Okinawa when I first met him in 65,and he led the first recon teams into Laos,as well as the first US rescue team into North Vietnam to try and rescue a shot down pilot. His assistant team leader on the NVN mission was a very good friend of mine that I knew both at Ft.Bragg and in VN,and I was even on a special POW snatch team with him at one time. It was his team.

http://www.amazon.com/Hunting-Jackal-Soldiers-Frontlines- Terrorism/dp/0060564105/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250444687&sr=8-1

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent, longnose gar, all (#23)

Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US Bush Fambly against terror competition in the Oil Markets.

"Saudi Arabia is a co-owner of the US Bush Crime Fambly."

There,*I* fixed it. Royalty don't consider mere employees and servants to be allies.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#31)

After all, 81 percent of Americans, according to a recent New York Times poll, believe he’s taken the country on the wrong track. That’s the highest number ever registered. The same poll also says 28 percent have a favorable view of his performance in office, which is also in Nixon-in-the-darkest-days-of-Watergate territory."

And that means he gave the orders to attack on 9-11?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#35)

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake,

Well,if you can't believe a professor,who CAN you believe?

Next thing you know,you will be quoting John Wayne Kerrey.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: TwentyTwelve (#36)

Remember, on June 5, 2006, FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb said, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” This should be headline news worldwide.

Why? The FBI only handles domestic crimes. How the hell WOULD they have any evidence on what was going on in the Sudan and other places?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   14:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#43)

Anyone with two eyes can see that the "fat" Bin Ladin tape where he congratulates the attackers is a fake. Anyone with basic human faculties for facial recognition can see that this ain't him.

This goon had nothing to do with the attacks. Enough of this red herring.

"Mr. Bin Laden, he daid, suh."

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randge  posted on  2009-08-16   14:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)

And Stone, you have your own website.

?

Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies

"Don't Tread on Me", originally a war cry of Benjamin Franklin during America's fight for independence, has come to symbolize the American spirit. It first appeared on the Gadsen flag (named for and by General Christopher Gadsen) which featured the slogan below a coiled rattlesnake that was ready to attack. The snake (along with the slogan) came to symbolize America as an animal that would never strike first, but when provoked, would never give in. Today, it also symbolizes and celebrates personal independence and perseverance.

Refinersfire  posted on  2009-08-16   14:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: randge (#45)

This goon had nothing to do with the attacks. Enough of this red herring.

Yeah,I know. It was a joint Boy Scouts/CIA operation ran by Poppy Bush,right?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   15:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#47)

It was a joint Boy Scouts/CIA operation ran by Poppy Bush,right?

I'll tell you one thing fer sure. Nineteen A-rabs didn't pull this off.

I know these folks like the back of my hand. Most of them were wash outs. I've worked with hundreds of them. The featured terrorists haven't the temperament for it.

Whoever staged this had resources, and I don't pretend to know who.

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randge  posted on  2009-08-16   17:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: randge (#48)

I know these folks like the back of my hand. Most of them were wash outs. I've worked with hundreds of them. The featured terrorists haven't the temperament for it.

You think you have to be some sort of brainiac to fly a plane into a building that has already taken off?

Whoever staged this had resources, and I don't pretend to know who.

The future King of Arabia/Middle Eastern Economic Zone Regional Manager,King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. This guy does NOT fit the stereotype in any respect.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   21:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: randge, sneakypete, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#48)

The head of German Intelligence was quoted as saying on the record that the logistics and varied elements of 911 required the resources that only a first world Intelligence Agency could provide.

And the anomalies add up. If it were one or two that would be one thing - there are literally hundreds of inconsistencies in the Official Conspiracy Theory®.

How was the most sophisticated Air Defense System in the World, NORAD, made to stand down?

Why did Gee Duhbya set there reading "My Pet Goat" for twenty minutes after he was notified? Why did the Secret Service not do there job and immediately get him out of there? His itinerary was known and they could not know, if it were done by an outsider organization, that he was not in danger from one of the aircraft still in the air.

How is it that there was still molten metal at "Ground Zero" 8 weeks after 911? That was not caused by jet fuel or paper fires.

What caused WTC 7 to collapse? It was not hit by a plane. It collapsed straight down into it's own footprint at barely over free fall time.

Why was the White House on Cipro a month BEFORE the Anthrax attacks? Who stole the Anthrax from Ft. Dietrich? Who reproduced it and micronized it and encapsulated it at a level so fine that it could only have been done with some very very sophisticated equipment found only in Government Bioweapons Laboratories?

I could go on with these for quite a while, but the point is that when the anomalies are added up it points to one thing: The actions of a very sophisticated network well beyond the capabilities of Osama Ben Goldstein and his Magic Cell Phone©.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   22:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete, randge, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#49)

You think you have to be some sort of brainiac to fly a plane into a building that has already taken off?

You have to be a very sophisticated pilot to do the rapid descent and tree top level flying of an Airliner attributed to the known incompetent who allegedly flew a plane into a 71 foot high wall at ground effect levels into the Pentagram.

And you leave out that they would have had to know how to navigate the aircraft, turn them around, plot a course for a pinpoint nearly a thousand miles away, home in on that pinpoint.

You can't make the anomalies disappear with your dismissive magic wand.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

So far, minimally, you have used the following in this thread:

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   22:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#50)

You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.

There is no reason for me to waste my time being number 1001.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   23:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#51)

It's all BullBarack,but if it makes you happy to keep believing it,have at it.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   23:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: longnose gar (#0)

Ah yes the bush family.

www.nndb.com/people/336/000090066/

www.rawstory.com/news/200...rt_conservative_0506.html

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...cles/A12640-2005Feb9.html

www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/arts/20rich.html

franklinscandal.com/

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-08-16   23:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: randge (#45)


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-08-16   23:25:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: sneakypete, randge, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#52) (Edited)

You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.

There is no reason for me to waste my time being number 1001.

I am convinced by facts and data. Were there not literally hundreds of datums that individually contradict the Official Conspiracy Theory® or "19Arabswhohateuscuzwe'refree" directed by a madman in cave with his Magick Cellphone© then I would be an easier case. However, as Ronald Reagan commented facts can be inconvenient things. The attempts to explain away inconsistencies are themselves inconsistent, and in most cases, such as the Popular Mechanics Strawman Hit Piece, have been sliced, diced, and shredded for the disinformation they are. Pop Mechanics even went so far as to take a picture of WTC 6 (which had larger and more widespread fires than WTC 7 but did not collapse) and turned them around and then misrepresented them as photos of WTC 7's fires.

It is not a matter of believing, as you would like to dismiss it, but a matter facts, numbers, cold hard data. Chemical analysis of samples from the buildings show the telltale signature of thermate, and including flakes of unconsumed thermate. The members of the 911 Whitewash commission have repudiated their own report saying they were lied to. The numbers of scientists and engineers who are onboard 911 truth is rather extensive - and growing. These men are not fools given to flights of fancy and they operate off cold hard quantifiable and verifiable information and chemical analysis. Even NIST was forced to admit that the Jet Fuel could not have brought the towers down. When they tried to invent a new principle of Physics to explain the collapse of WTC 7 they were met with gales of laughter, and rightly so.

The Official Conspiracy Theory® is controverted by the available evidence and is thus not a valid explanation. It takes only one contradictory datum to throw the Official Conspiracy Theory® into question, and there is not one. No, there are hundreds of individual pieces of information which the Official Conspiracy Theory® cannot account for and thus it is invalid. It is believed only by those who subsist on a diet of lamestream media, children, and people who are either paid to believe or find the alternative too horrible to confront and so they deny.

As well you have carefully avoided the fact that Osama Ben Goldstein is not listed on the FBI's "Most Wanted List" for involvement in 911.

These are all inconvenient facts. Not opinions but verifiable documentable facts.

You may wish to put your head in the sand, play disinfo games, or bark at the moon but at no point have you provided any documented facts to back up your true belief in the Official Conspiracy Theory®. It is you who is accepting without examination, and discarding evidence and observations because they do not fit with your preconceived and prejudiced conclusion. I admire your faith, but not your analytic skills.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   23:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sneakypete, Original_Intent, christine (#52)

You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.

The govt will be further emboldened (if that's even possible) because Americans are now so cowardly, weak and unable to exercise critical thinking skills.

The mathematical probabilities of these anomalies alone prove that the govt story is a series of carefully sifted and ever changing lies until they more or less found a string to stick with.

It's no "wild-eyed conspiracy theory" that credible and courageous scientists receive no news coverage while every attempt to prop up the fairie tale is given the whole professional makeup and million dollar talking head treatment on the news and talk shows.

And, it's no conspiracy theory that GE and other defense contractors that are making fortunes (and who also denied America a single dime of the peace dividend by creating enemies to replace The Evil Empire) from perpetual warfare also own those same propaganda outlets.

And, you saw with your own eyes as they failed to tell America when Ron Paul won the debates hands down. So you are either a shill because you or your family receive govt checks, or you are a victim of a mental illness and/or your own abject cowardice.

But, millions of people are so terrified of learning the truth about the evil that the shadow masters have done that instead of following the circus elephant (i.e. the GOP) with shovels they walk on their knees and cheerfully gobble the droppings.

State worship is a mental illness, just like agoraphobia and kleptomania. And for you to begin from a foregone conclusion and then offer any so called explanations in support of it is proof that you're the kook who will not see what known war criminals and soulless profiteering murderers have done in our names.

But, you'll remain anonymous just as a precaution of course.

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-16   23:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Original_Intent (#56)

As well you have carefully avoided the fact that Osama Ben Goldstein is not listed on the FBI's "Most Wanted List" for involvement in 911.

Maybe if he were still alive and in America,he would be?

Or has it escaped your attention that the Feebs can't arrest anybody that isn't in the US?

These are all inconvenient facts. Not opinions but verifiable documentable facts.

Yeah,them and virgin birth.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-17   6:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: HOUNDDAWG (#57)

State worship is a mental illness, just like agoraphobia and kleptomania.

Why did you leave paranoia off that little list?

And for you to begin from a foregone conclusion and then offer any so called explanations in support of it is proof that you're the kook

Again,you freaks have seen and heard the explanations a thousand times,but ignore them because they don't feed your paranoid fantasies.

who will not see what known war criminals and soulless profiteering murderers have done in our names.

No political agenda there,is it?

And *I* am the one who is a kook?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-17   6:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: sneakypete (#59)

Why were no fighter jets deployed on 9/11?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-08-17   8:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: wudidiz (#60)

Why were no fighter jets deployed on 9/11?

I should know better than to get into these discussions because neither you nor anyone else involved in the conspiracy circle are going to pay the slightest attention to anything I or anyone else says,but here goes.

Fighters WERE deployed. It is even suspected that the airliner that went down in that field in Pa was shot down by fighters.

Shooting down airliners filled full of civilian passengers is a public-relations nightmare for the US Air Force and the government.

So would accurate reports that some pilots refused to shoot down the one that crashed into the Pentagram,IF that is what happened.

Ask yourself this. "Could *I* give the orders to shoot down airliners full of innocent civilian passengers,or could *I* follow the orders to shot down a airliner full of innocent civilian passengers if I were a fighter pilot?"

No need to answer these questions for me. Just asking them of yourself and giving them serious thought will be enough to make you understand the enormity of the decisions that had to be made.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-17   8:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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