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Title: Why Do People Hate Bush So Much?
Source: americasnewgenesis
URL Source: http://americasnewgenesis.com/?p=11751
Published: Aug 16, 2009
Author: americasnewgenesis
Post Date: 2009-08-16 10:47:28 by longnose gar
Keywords: bushmtrushmore, bushnationalpark, bushonthedollarbill, bushnationalmemorial
Views: 1282
Comments: 85

He has taken the worst dictator in the world out of power, put Bin Laden and Al Quada on the run, created a strong democracy in Iraq, and kept another terrorist attack from happening.

He hasn;t had the best of luck as President:

-9/11

-Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Ike, Gustav (many others i cant remember)

-The democrats widely control the senate and house, so its hard for the man to get things done.

He has had no sex scandals (Mr. Clinton)

He is very strong in hs faith

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Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

Monday, February 19, 2007

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake, being used To deflect 9/11 "conspiracy theories"

A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called "9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly After the attacks, is an outright fake that has been used by US intelligence Agencies to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-08-16   11:56:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake,

Well,if you can't believe a professor,who CAN you believe?

Next thing you know,you will be quoting John Wayne Kerrey.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   13:59:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone with two eyes can see that the "fat" Bin Ladin tape where he congratulates the attackers is a fake. Anyone with basic human faculties for facial recognition can see that this ain't him.

This goon had nothing to do with the attacks. Enough of this red herring.

"Mr. Bin Laden, he daid, suh."

randge  posted on  2009-08-16   14:06:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This goon had nothing to do with the attacks. Enough of this red herring.

Yeah,I know. It was a joint Boy Scouts/CIA operation ran by Poppy Bush,right?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   15:52:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It was a joint Boy Scouts/CIA operation ran by Poppy Bush,right?

I'll tell you one thing fer sure. Nineteen A-rabs didn't pull this off.

I know these folks like the back of my hand. Most of them were wash outs. I've worked with hundreds of them. The featured terrorists haven't the temperament for it.

Whoever staged this had resources, and I don't pretend to know who.

randge  posted on  2009-08-16   17:09:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The head of German Intelligence was quoted as saying on the record that the logistics and varied elements of 911 required the resources that only a first world Intelligence Agency could provide.

And the anomalies add up. If it were one or two that would be one thing - there are literally hundreds of inconsistencies in the Official Conspiracy Theory®.

How was the most sophisticated Air Defense System in the World, NORAD, made to stand down?

Why did Gee Duhbya set there reading "My Pet Goat" for twenty minutes after he was notified? Why did the Secret Service not do there job and immediately get him out of there? His itinerary was known and they could not know, if it were done by an outsider organization, that he was not in danger from one of the aircraft still in the air.

How is it that there was still molten metal at "Ground Zero" 8 weeks after 911? That was not caused by jet fuel or paper fires.

What caused WTC 7 to collapse? It was not hit by a plane. It collapsed straight down into it's own footprint at barely over free fall time.

Why was the White House on Cipro a month BEFORE the Anthrax attacks? Who stole the Anthrax from Ft. Dietrich? Who reproduced it and micronized it and encapsulated it at a level so fine that it could only have been done with some very very sophisticated equipment found only in Government Bioweapons Laboratories?

I could go on with these for quite a while, but the point is that when the anomalies are added up it points to one thing: The actions of a very sophisticated network well beyond the capabilities of Osama Ben Goldstein and his Magic Cell Phone©.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-16   22:11:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.

There is no reason for me to waste my time being number 1001.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-16   23:14:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.

The govt will be further emboldened (if that's even possible) because Americans are now so cowardly, weak and unable to exercise critical thinking skills.

The mathematical probabilities of these anomalies alone prove that the govt story is a series of carefully sifted and ever changing lies until they more or less found a string to stick with.

It's no "wild-eyed conspiracy theory" that credible and courageous scientists receive no news coverage while every attempt to prop up the fairie tale is given the whole professional makeup and million dollar talking head treatment on the news and talk shows.

And, it's no conspiracy theory that GE and other defense contractors that are making fortunes (and who also denied America a single dime of the peace dividend by creating enemies to replace The Evil Empire) from perpetual warfare also own those same propaganda outlets.

And, you saw with your own eyes as they failed to tell America when Ron Paul won the debates hands down. So you are either a shill because you or your family receive govt checks, or you are a victim of a mental illness and/or your own abject cowardice.

But, millions of people are so terrified of learning the truth about the evil that the shadow masters have done that instead of following the circus elephant (i.e. the GOP) with shovels they walk on their knees and cheerfully gobble the droppings.

State worship is a mental illness, just like agoraphobia and kleptomania. And for you to begin from a foregone conclusion and then offer any so called explanations in support of it is proof that you're the kook who will not see what known war criminals and soulless profiteering murderers have done in our names.

But, you'll remain anonymous just as a precaution of course.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-16   23:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

State worship is a mental illness, just like agoraphobia and kleptomania.

Why did you leave paranoia off that little list?

And for you to begin from a foregone conclusion and then offer any so called explanations in support of it is proof that you're the kook

Again,you freaks have seen and heard the explanations a thousand times,but ignore them because they don't feed your paranoid fantasies.

who will not see what known war criminals and soulless profiteering murderers have done in our names.

No political agenda there,is it?

And *I* am the one who is a kook?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-17   6:38:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why were no fighter jets deployed on 9/11?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-08-17   8:15:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why were no fighter jets deployed on 9/11?

I should know better than to get into these discussions because neither you nor anyone else involved in the conspiracy circle are going to pay the slightest attention to anything I or anyone else says,but here goes.

Fighters WERE deployed. It is even suspected that the airliner that went down in that field in Pa was shot down by fighters.

Shooting down airliners filled full of civilian passengers is a public-relations nightmare for the US Air Force and the government.

So would accurate reports that some pilots refused to shoot down the one that crashed into the Pentagram,IF that is what happened.

Ask yourself this. "Could *I* give the orders to shoot down airliners full of innocent civilian passengers,or could *I* follow the orders to shot down a airliner full of innocent civilian passengers if I were a fighter pilot?"

No need to answer these questions for me. Just asking them of yourself and giving them serious thought will be enough to make you understand the enormity of the decisions that had to be made.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-17   8:59:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They were deployed too late.

They were deployed from too far away and they didn't fly at maximum speed.

There was protocol to follow and it wasn't followed.

They didn't even have the chance to give the orders to shoot.

Why?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-08-17   9:43:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They were deployed too late.

They were deployed from too far away and they didn't fly at maximum speed.

There was protocol to follow and it wasn't followed.

They didn't even have the chance to give the orders to shoot.

Why?

Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-17   9:48:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

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NORAD Stand-Down The Prevention of Interceptions of the Commandeered Planes

It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. 1 In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. 2

There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble.

Routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001. Layered Failures

The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.

* Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times.
* Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
* Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds.
* Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.

Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases to scramble. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters. Failures to Report

Comparing NORAD's timeline to reports from air traffic control reveals inexplicable delays in the times the FAA took to report deviating aircraft. The delays include an 18-minute delay in reporting Flight 11 and a 39-minute delay in reporting Flight 77. The delays are made all the more suspicious given that, in each case, the plane failed to respond to communications, was off-course, and had stopped emitting its IFF signal. Failures to Scramble

No plausible explanation has been provided for failing to scramble interceptors in a timely fashion from bases within easy range to protect the September 11th targets. Fighters that were dispatched were scrambled from distant bases. Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets. Yet fighters were not scrambled from the bases near the targets. They were only scrambled from distant bases. Moreover there were no redundant or backup scrambles. New York City

Flight 11 had been flying south toward New York City from about 8:30 AM. Yet no interceptors were scrambled from nearby Atlantic City, or La Guardia, or from Langley, Virginia. Numerous other bases were not ordered to scramble fighters. Washington D.C.

No interceptors were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base to protect the capital, at least not before the Pentagon was hit. Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert, and is only about 10 miles from the Pentagon. Failures to Intercept

Even though the interceptors were not dispatched from the most logical bases, the ones that were scrambled still had adequate time to reach their assigned planes. Why didn't they? Because they were only flying at a small fraction of their top speed. That is the conclusion implicit in NORAD's timeline. Otis to the WTC

The first base to finally scramble interceptors was Otis in Falmouth, Massachusetts, at 8:52, about a half-hour after Flight 11 was taken over. This was already eight minutes after Flight 11 hit the North Tower, and just 9 minutes before Flight 175 hit the South Tower.

According to NORAD, at the time of the South Tower Impact the two F-15s from Otis were still 71 miles away. Otis is 153 miles east-northeast of the WTC. That means the F-15s were flying at: (153 miles - 71 miles)/(9:03 - 8:52) = 447 mph That is around 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph. At 9:11 the F-15s finally reached the World Trade Center. Their average speed for the trip was: 153/(9:11 - 8:52) = 483 mph That is around 25.8% of their top speed. Langley to the Pentagon

The F-16s from Langley reached the Pentagon at 9:49. It took them 19 minutes to reach Washington D.C. from Langley AFB, which is about 130 miles to the south. That means the F-16s were flying at: 130 miles/(9:49 - 9:30) = 410.5 mph That is around 27.4% of their top speed of 1500 mph. Andrews to the Pentagon

Andrews Air Force Base, located on the outskirts of the capital, is just over 10 miles from the Pentagon. One would have expected interceptors to be scrambled to protect the capital within a few minutes of the 8:15 loss of contact with Flight 11. Instead, no fighters from Andrews reached the Pentagon until 9:49, several minutes after the assault. Failures to Redeploy

Fighters that were in the air when the attack started were not redeployed to intercept the deviating planes. When fighters scrambled to protect Manhattan arrived there too late, they were not redeployed to protect the capital even though they had plenty of time to reach it before the Pentagon was hit. Long Island to Manhattan

Two F-15s flying off the coast of Long Island were not redeployed to Manhattan until after the second tower was hit. 3 WTC to the Pentagon

By the time the two F-15s from Otis reached Manhattan, the only jetliner still flying with its IFF transponder off had just made a 180-degree turn over southern Ohio and had been headed for Washington D.C. for 12 minutes. It was still 34 minutes before the Pentagon was hit. Had the fighters been sent to protect the capital, they could have traveled the approximately 300 miles in: 300 miles/1875 mph = 9.6 minutes They even could have made it to the capital in time to protect the Pentagon if they had continued to fly at only 500 mph.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-17   12:15:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost

No it is not, and it certainly was not not before 911. Payne Stewart was the only domestic interception in the decade before 911, and it took 1 hour and 20 minutes to intercept it.

Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times.

These were not intercepts of civilian domestic flights. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions, with the exception of Payne Stewart, were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). There were no domestic ADIZs at that time.

Today, things are different. There’s an ADIZ that surrounds Washington, D.C. In the four years after 9/11, it was violated over 1,000 times. The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) has scrambled fighters for intercepts within U.S. borders over 1,600 times.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-17   12:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh, I see, up is down and similarities are not similar.

Do you also "believe 8 impossible things before breakfast"?

I'm not inclined to spend a lot of time on this as it is re-inventing the wheel. The information detailing how NORAD had "the dog eat their homework" has been analyzed repeatedly and in depth. Most of which is still available on the interenet.

Probably the best starting point for NORAD's improbable serial failures and incompetence is Here and I might note that NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN DISCIPLINED, PROSECUTED, REPRIMANDED, OR COURTS MARTIALED for the massive incompetence of NORAD's failure to do their job and of the people over them to do theirs. In fact it has all been repeatedly glossed over, explained away, and stonewalled. I might note that the Air Traffic Controllers in the towers that day are still under a gag order "for national sekurity" 9 years after the fact.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-17   12:53:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This was a new situation, one not planned for. Things have been corrected now:

Congressional testimony:

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WARNER:

Mr. Chairman, you asked of our distinguished witness a very important question. I'm going to deviate from my planned opening here to say I guess I'm a little bit stunned that you don't know why that delay occurred. I would have thought by now all of you in this chain would have gone back, rehearsed these things, figured out what happened, what went wrong so that we ensure it won't happen again. If it was that significant delay and you can't tell us why, how do we leave with an assurance that you and you subordinates have taken steps so that it won't happen again?

EBERHART:

Sir, I assure you that we have, and we practice this daily now, and now it takes about one minute from the time that FAA sees some sort of discrepancy on their radar scope or detects a discrepancy in terms of their communication before they notify NORAD. So that certainly has been fixed.

I think at that time, the FAA was still thinking that if they saw a problem it was a problem that was a result of a mechanical failure or some sort of crew deviation. They weren't thinking hijacking. Today, the first thing they think is hijacking, and we respond accordingly.

WARNER:

So working with the FAA, NORAD had not rehearsed the possibilities of an aircraft being seized for some terrorist activity?

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EBERHART:

Sir, FAA is charged with the primary responsibility in terms of hijacking in the United States of America. We are charged with assisting FAA once they ask for our assistance. As you know, the last hijacking of a commercial aircraft in the United States of America was 1991. So although we practice this, day in and day out, the FAA sees on their scopes scores of problems that are a result of mechanical problems, switch errors, pilot errors, et cetera, and that that's what they think when they see this.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-17   13:03:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: longnose gar (#73)

So working with the FAA, NORAD had not rehearsed the possibilities of an aircraft being seized for some terrorist activity?

If that's the case padlock, then why was the CIA running a drill that entailed that exact scenario?

On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day. Information is the most powerful tool available in the homeland security effort. At the core of every initiative currently underway to protect our country and its citizens is the challenge of getting the right information to the right people at the right time.

Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11 Associated Press

August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. To simulate the damage from the plane, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2009-08-17 13:11:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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