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Title: Why Do People Hate Bush So Much?
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Published: Aug 16, 2009
Author: americasnewgenesis
Post Date: 2009-08-16 10:47:28 by longnose gar
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He has taken the worst dictator in the world out of power, put Bin Laden and Al Quada on the run, created a strong democracy in Iraq, and kept another terrorist attack from happening. He hasn;t had the best of luck as President: -9/11 -Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, Ike, Gustav (many others i cant remember) -The democrats widely control the senate and house, so its hard for the man to get things done. He has had no sex scandals (Mr. Clinton) He is very strong in hs faith
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#46. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)
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Yeah,I know. It was a joint Boy Scouts/CIA operation ran by Poppy Bush,right?
I'll tell you one thing fer sure. Nineteen A-rabs didn't pull this off. I know these folks like the back of my hand. Most of them were wash outs. I've worked with hundreds of them. The featured terrorists haven't the temperament for it. Whoever staged this had resources, and I don't pretend to know who.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. You think you have to be some sort of brainiac to fly a plane into a building that has already taken off? Whoever staged this had resources, and I don't pretend to know who. The future King of Arabia/Middle Eastern Economic Zone Regional Manager,King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. This guy does NOT fit the stereotype in any respect.
The head of German Intelligence was quoted as saying on the record that the logistics and varied elements of 911 required the resources that only a first world Intelligence Agency could provide. And the anomalies add up. If it were one or two that would be one thing - there are literally hundreds of inconsistencies in the Official Conspiracy Theory®. How was the most sophisticated Air Defense System in the World, NORAD, made to stand down? Why did Gee Duhbya set there reading "My Pet Goat" for twenty minutes after he was notified? Why did the Secret Service not do there job and immediately get him out of there? His itinerary was known and they could not know, if it were done by an outsider organization, that he was not in danger from one of the aircraft still in the air. How is it that there was still molten metal at "Ground Zero" 8 weeks after 911? That was not caused by jet fuel or paper fires. What caused WTC 7 to collapse? It was not hit by a plane. It collapsed straight down into it's own footprint at barely over free fall time. Why was the White House on Cipro a month BEFORE the Anthrax attacks? Who stole the Anthrax from Ft. Dietrich? Who reproduced it and micronized it and encapsulated it at a level so fine that it could only have been done with some very very sophisticated equipment found only in Government Bioweapons Laboratories? I could go on with these for quite a while, but the point is that when the anomalies are added up it points to one thing: The actions of a very sophisticated network well beyond the capabilities of Osama Ben Goldstein and his Magic Cell Phone©.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You have to be a very sophisticated pilot to do the rapid descent and tree top level flying of an Airliner attributed to the known incompetent who allegedly flew a plane into a 71 foot high wall at ground effect levels into the Pentagram. And you leave out that they would have had to know how to navigate the aircraft, turn them around, plot a course for a pinpoint nearly a thousand miles away, home in on that pinpoint. You can't make the anomalies disappear with your dismissive magic wand. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation So far, minimally, you have used the following in this thread: 2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit. 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact. 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues. 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact. 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them. There is no reason for me to waste my time being number 1001.
It's all BullBarack,but if it makes you happy to keep believing it,have at it.
Ah yes the bush family. www.nndb.com/people/336/000090066/ www.rawstory.com/news/200...rt_conservative_0506.html www.washingtonpost.com/wp...cles/A12640-2005Feb9.html
There is no reason for me to waste my time being number 1001. I am convinced by facts and data. Were there not literally hundreds of datums that individually contradict the Official Conspiracy Theory® or "19Arabswhohateuscuzwe'refree" directed by a madman in cave with his Magick Cellphone© then I would be an easier case. However, as Ronald Reagan commented facts can be inconvenient things. The attempts to explain away inconsistencies are themselves inconsistent, and in most cases, such as the Popular Mechanics Strawman Hit Piece, have been sliced, diced, and shredded for the disinformation they are. Pop Mechanics even went so far as to take a picture of WTC 6 (which had larger and more widespread fires than WTC 7 but did not collapse) and turned them around and then misrepresented them as photos of WTC 7's fires. It is not a matter of believing, as you would like to dismiss it, but a matter facts, numbers, cold hard data. Chemical analysis of samples from the buildings show the telltale signature of thermate, and including flakes of unconsumed thermate. The members of the 911 Whitewash commission have repudiated their own report saying they were lied to. The numbers of scientists and engineers who are onboard 911 truth is rather extensive - and growing. These men are not fools given to flights of fancy and they operate off cold hard quantifiable and verifiable information and chemical analysis. Even NIST was forced to admit that the Jet Fuel could not have brought the towers down. When they tried to invent a new principle of Physics to explain the collapse of WTC 7 they were met with gales of laughter, and rightly so. The Official Conspiracy Theory® is controverted by the available evidence and is thus not a valid explanation. It takes only one contradictory datum to throw the Official Conspiracy Theory® into question, and there is not one. No, there are hundreds of individual pieces of information which the Official Conspiracy Theory® cannot account for and thus it is invalid. It is believed only by those who subsist on a diet of lamestream media, children, and people who are either paid to believe or find the alternative too horrible to confront and so they deny. As well you have carefully avoided the fact that Osama Ben Goldstein is not listed on the FBI's "Most Wanted List" for involvement in 911. These are all inconvenient facts. Not opinions but verifiable documentable facts. You may wish to put your head in the sand, play disinfo games, or bark at the moon but at no point have you provided any documented facts to back up your true belief in the Official Conspiracy Theory®. It is you who is accepting without examination, and discarding evidence and observations because they do not fit with your preconceived and prejudiced conclusion. I admire your faith, but not your analytic skills.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
The govt will be further emboldened (if that's even possible) because Americans are now so cowardly, weak and unable to exercise critical thinking skills. The mathematical probabilities of these anomalies alone prove that the govt story is a series of carefully sifted and ever changing lies until they more or less found a string to stick with. It's no "wild-eyed conspiracy theory" that credible and courageous scientists receive no news coverage while every attempt to prop up the fairie tale is given the whole professional makeup and million dollar talking head treatment on the news and talk shows. And, it's no conspiracy theory that GE and other defense contractors that are making fortunes (and who also denied America a single dime of the peace dividend by creating enemies to replace The Evil Empire) from perpetual warfare also own those same propaganda outlets. And, you saw with your own eyes as they failed to tell America when Ron Paul won the debates hands down. So you are either a shill because you or your family receive govt checks, or you are a victim of a mental illness and/or your own abject cowardice. But, millions of people are so terrified of learning the truth about the evil that the shadow masters have done that instead of following the circus elephant (i.e. the GOP) with shovels they walk on their knees and cheerfully gobble the droppings. State worship is a mental illness, just like agoraphobia and kleptomania. And for you to begin from a foregone conclusion and then offer any so called explanations in support of it is proof that you're the kook who will not see what known war criminals and soulless profiteering murderers have done in our names. But, you'll remain anonymous just as a precaution of course.
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
Maybe if he were still alive and in America,he would be? Or has it escaped your attention that the Feebs can't arrest anybody that isn't in the US? These are all inconvenient facts. Not opinions but verifiable documentable facts. Yeah,them and virgin birth.
State worship is a mental illness, just like agoraphobia and kleptomania. Why did you leave paranoia off that little list? And for you to begin from a foregone conclusion and then offer any so called explanations in support of it is proof that you're the kook Again,you freaks have seen and heard the explanations a thousand times,but ignore them because they don't feed your paranoid fantasies. who will not see what known war criminals and soulless profiteering murderers have done in our names. No political agenda there,is it? And *I* am the one who is a kook?
Why were no fighter jets deployed on 9/11?
I should know better than to get into these discussions because neither you nor anyone else involved in the conspiracy circle are going to pay the slightest attention to anything I or anyone else says,but here goes. Fighters WERE deployed. It is even suspected that the airliner that went down in that field in Pa was shot down by fighters. Shooting down airliners filled full of civilian passengers is a public-relations nightmare for the US Air Force and the government. So would accurate reports that some pilots refused to shoot down the one that crashed into the Pentagram,IF that is what happened. Ask yourself this. "Could *I* give the orders to shoot down airliners full of innocent civilian passengers,or could *I* follow the orders to shot down a airliner full of innocent civilian passengers if I were a fighter pilot?" No need to answer these questions for me. Just asking them of yourself and giving them serious thought will be enough to make you understand the enormity of the decisions that had to be made.
The simple answer is that before 911, there simply was no standing plan in place to intercept civilian domestic flights. It had happened only once in the decade prior to 911 (Payne Stewart), and that took 1 hour and 20 minutes to accomplish.
Yeah,there was. Fly a civilian aircraft into a restricted area and find out. Hell,the USAF even used fighter jets to intercept that private jet a few years ago that was flying the pro-golfer and quit responding to radio messages. They got close enough they could see the pilot and co-pilot were unconscious. I can't remember right now if they followed it all the way to the point where it ran out of fuel and crashed (it was on auto-pilot and cruising at altitude) or if somebody just computed how far it would fly before running out of fuel and crashing,but you can believe there had been some discussion about shooting it down if it looked like it would crash in a populated area.
Claim: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11." FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked — the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes. Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them.
Payne Stewart, as I had said. It was the only domestic intercept in the decade before 911, and it took an hour and 20 minutes to reach the plane.
They were deployed too late. They were deployed from too far away and they didn't fly at maximum speed. There was protocol to follow and it wasn't followed. They didn't even have the chance to give the orders to shoot. Why?
They were deployed from too far away and they didn't fly at maximum speed. There was protocol to follow and it wasn't followed. They didn't even have the chance to give the orders to shoot. Why? Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers.
You have a link for that?
9-11 Timeline: minute-by-minute Stand Down from Incompetence or Complicity?
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation 8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NORAD Stand-Down The Prevention of Interceptions of the Commandeered Planes It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. 1 In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. 2 There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble. Routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001. Layered Failures The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types. * Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times. Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases to scramble. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters. Failures to Report Comparing NORAD's timeline to reports from air traffic control reveals inexplicable delays in the times the FAA took to report deviating aircraft. The delays include an 18-minute delay in reporting Flight 11 and a 39-minute delay in reporting Flight 77. The delays are made all the more suspicious given that, in each case, the plane failed to respond to communications, was off-course, and had stopped emitting its IFF signal. Failures to Scramble No plausible explanation has been provided for failing to scramble interceptors in a timely fashion from bases within easy range to protect the September 11th targets. Fighters that were dispatched were scrambled from distant bases. Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets. Yet fighters were not scrambled from the bases near the targets. They were only scrambled from distant bases. Moreover there were no redundant or backup scrambles. New York City Flight 11 had been flying south toward New York City from about 8:30 AM. Yet no interceptors were scrambled from nearby Atlantic City, or La Guardia, or from Langley, Virginia. Numerous other bases were not ordered to scramble fighters. Washington D.C. No interceptors were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base to protect the capital, at least not before the Pentagon was hit. Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert, and is only about 10 miles from the Pentagon. Failures to Intercept Even though the interceptors were not dispatched from the most logical bases, the ones that were scrambled still had adequate time to reach their assigned planes. Why didn't they? Because they were only flying at a small fraction of their top speed. That is the conclusion implicit in NORAD's timeline. Otis to the WTC The first base to finally scramble interceptors was Otis in Falmouth, Massachusetts, at 8:52, about a half-hour after Flight 11 was taken over. This was already eight minutes after Flight 11 hit the North Tower, and just 9 minutes before Flight 175 hit the South Tower. According to NORAD, at the time of the South Tower Impact the two F-15s from Otis were still 71 miles away. Otis is 153 miles east-northeast of the WTC. That means the F-15s were flying at: (153 miles - 71 miles)/(9:03 - 8:52) = 447 mph That is around 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph. At 9:11 the F-15s finally reached the World Trade Center. Their average speed for the trip was: 153/(9:11 - 8:52) = 483 mph That is around 25.8% of their top speed. Langley to the Pentagon The F-16s from Langley reached the Pentagon at 9:49. It took them 19 minutes to reach Washington D.C. from Langley AFB, which is about 130 miles to the south. That means the F-16s were flying at: 130 miles/(9:49 - 9:30) = 410.5 mph That is around 27.4% of their top speed of 1500 mph. Andrews to the Pentagon Andrews Air Force Base, located on the outskirts of the capital, is just over 10 miles from the Pentagon. One would have expected interceptors to be scrambled to protect the capital within a few minutes of the 8:15 loss of contact with Flight 11. Instead, no fighters from Andrews reached the Pentagon until 9:49, several minutes after the assault. Failures to Redeploy Fighters that were in the air when the attack started were not redeployed to intercept the deviating planes. When fighters scrambled to protect Manhattan arrived there too late, they were not redeployed to protect the capital even though they had plenty of time to reach it before the Pentagon was hit. Long Island to Manhattan Two F-15s flying off the coast of Long Island were not redeployed to Manhattan until after the second tower was hit. 3 WTC to the Pentagon By the time the two F-15s from Otis reached Manhattan, the only jetliner still flying with its IFF transponder off had just made a 180-degree turn over southern Ohio and had been headed for Washington D.C. for 12 minutes. It was still 34 minutes before the Pentagon was hit. Had the fighters been sent to protect the capital, they could have traveled the approximately 300 miles in: 300 miles/1875 mph = 9.6 minutes They even could have made it to the capital in time to protect the Pentagon if they had continued to fly at only 500 mph.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
No it is not, and it certainly was not not before 911. Payne Stewart was the only domestic interception in the decade before 911, and it took 1 hour and 20 minutes to intercept it. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. These were not intercepts of civilian domestic flights. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions, with the exception of Payne Stewart, were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). There were no domestic ADIZs at that time. Today, things are different. There’s an ADIZ that surrounds Washington, D.C. In the four years after 9/11, it was violated over 1,000 times. The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) has scrambled fighters for intercepts within U.S. borders over 1,600 times.
Oh, I see, up is down and similarities are not similar. Do you also "believe 8 impossible things before breakfast"? I'm not inclined to spend a lot of time on this as it is re-inventing the wheel. The information detailing how NORAD had "the dog eat their homework" has been analyzed repeatedly and in depth. Most of which is still available on the interenet. Probably the best starting point for NORAD's improbable serial failures and incompetence is Here and I might note that NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN DISCIPLINED, PROSECUTED, REPRIMANDED, OR COURTS MARTIALED for the massive incompetence of NORAD's failure to do their job and of the people over them to do theirs. In fact it has all been repeatedly glossed over, explained away, and stonewalled. I might note that the Air Traffic Controllers in the towers that day are still under a gag order "for national sekurity" 9 years after the fact.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This was a new situation, one not planned for. Things have been corrected now: Congressional testimony: __________________- WARNER: Mr. Chairman, you asked of our distinguished witness a very important question. I'm going to deviate from my planned opening here to say I guess I'm a little bit stunned that you don't know why that delay occurred. I would have thought by now all of you in this chain would have gone back, rehearsed these things, figured out what happened, what went wrong so that we ensure it won't happen again. If it was that significant delay and you can't tell us why, how do we leave with an assurance that you and you subordinates have taken steps so that it won't happen again? EBERHART: Sir, I assure you that we have, and we practice this daily now, and now it takes about one minute from the time that FAA sees some sort of discrepancy on their radar scope or detects a discrepancy in terms of their communication before they notify NORAD. So that certainly has been fixed. I think at that time, the FAA was still thinking that if they saw a problem it was a problem that was a result of a mechanical failure or some sort of crew deviation. They weren't thinking hijacking. Today, the first thing they think is hijacking, and we respond accordingly. WARNER: So working with the FAA, NORAD had not rehearsed the possibilities of an aircraft being seized for some terrorist activity? -- EBERHART: Sir, FAA is charged with the primary responsibility in terms of hijacking in the United States of America. We are charged with assisting FAA once they ask for our assistance. As you know, the last hijacking of a commercial aircraft in the United States of America was 1991. So although we practice this, day in and day out, the FAA sees on their scopes scores of problems that are a result of mechanical problems, switch errors, pilot errors, et cetera, and that that's what they think when they see this.
If that's the case padlock, then why was the CIA running a drill that entailed that exact scenario? On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day. Information is the most powerful tool available in the homeland security effort. At the core of every initiative currently underway to protect our country and its citizens is the challenge of getting the right information to the right people at the right time. Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11 Associated Press August 22, 2002 WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident. Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure. The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport. Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. To simulate the damage from the plane, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
And that makes a difference, why exactly?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
"Sneakypete from 4um says there IS an explanation for this. They were never ordered to take off and intercept any of the airlners." This is NOT the same thing as saying "they were ordered to Stand Down",except for in Conspiracy World". There are fighters on Stand BY 24 hours a day every day of the year,but none of them take off to intercept anything until ordered to do so by a senior USAF officer. I have no idea who that Elsis dude is,but I have always found sneakypete to be a very reliable source. Then again,I may be as biased as you are.
What are you talking about? They followed their protocols. They were on alert,they took off when they got the orders to take off,and they patrolled in the sectors they had been assigned to patrol. They didn't even have the chance to give the orders to shoot. We don't know that for a fact. There were rumors going around that the airliner that crashed in Pa was shot down by a interceptor,but we will never know for sure. I'd say there was a chance it did happen,though.
Hi Bill - good to see you. :-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
This is NOT the same thing as saying "they were ordered to Stand Down" Failing to activate forces, or delaying their arrival is the same as "Standing Down" when the intentional omission or failure originates at the top of the chain of command. You are trying to split hairs or see how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I guess that all depends on your viewpoint. From MY POV,that is what you are doing in order to make the facts fit your wishes. Or maybe you have never been in the military and don't understand that Standing Down is a active measure,not a passive one in military-speak? When you tell the boys on the ready line to Stand Down,what you are telling them is they are no longer on alert.
Which of you can balance more angels on the head of a pin? I'm thinking of starting a pool, so before you answer I'll need to get the reports back about wax and moisture content of each of your residences.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. smiles...hey there OI, good to see you too, I kinda missed this place.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
What are you talking about? They weren't ordered to take off soon enough. Whoever didn't order them soon enough didn't follow protocol. They couldn't have been given the orders to shoot if the fighters weren't in range of the airliners. Why? That's what I'm talking about.
If that's the case padlock, then why was the CIA running a drill that entailed that exact scenario? Because running a drill to prepare for an accidental plane collision with a building is not the same as rehearsing the possibility that terrorists will seize a commercial jet and use it as a missile. You guys are nuttier than a fruitcake.
And Stone, you have your own website.
#47. To: randge (#45)
This goon had nothing to do with the attacks. Enough of this red herring.
#48. To: sneakypete (#47)
It was a joint Boy Scouts/CIA operation ran by Poppy Bush,right?
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#49. To: randge (#48)
I know these folks like the back of my hand. Most of them were wash outs. I've worked with hundreds of them. The featured terrorists haven't the temperament for it.
#50. To: randge, sneakypete, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#48)
#51. To: sneakypete, randge, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#49)
You think you have to be some sort of brainiac to fly a plane into a building that has already taken off?
#52. To: Original_Intent (#50)
#53. To: Original_Intent (#51)
#54. To: longnose gar (#0)
#55. To: randge (#45)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#56. To: sneakypete, randge, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#52)
(Edited)
You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.
#57. To: sneakypete, Original_Intent, christine (#52)
You are a conspiracy true-believer. Trying to convince you otherwise would be like trying to convince the Pope that God doesn't exist. You have seen explanations for all your questions at least a thousand times,and rejected them.
#58. To: Original_Intent (#56)
As well you have carefully avoided the fact that Osama Ben Goldstein is not listed on the FBI's "Most Wanted List" for involvement in 911.
#59. To: HOUNDDAWG (#57)
#60. To: sneakypete (#59)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#61. To: wudidiz (#60)
Why were no fighter jets deployed on 9/11?
#62. To: sneakypete (#61)
#63. To: longnose gar (#62)
The simple answer is that before 911, there simply was no standing plan in place to intercept civilian domestic flights.
#64. To: sneakypete (#63)
#65. To: sneakypete (#63)
Hell,the USAF even used fighter jets to intercept that private jet a few years ago that was flying the pro-golfer
#66. To: sneakypete (#61)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#67. To: wudidiz (#66)
They were deployed too late.
#68. To: longnose gar (#67)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#69. To: All (#68)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#70. To: longnose gar, wudidiz, Twenty Twelve, all (#67)
* Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
* Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds.
* Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.
#71. To: Original_Intent (#70)
It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost
#72. To: longnose gar, wudidiz, Twenty Twelve, all (#71)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#72)
#74. To: longnose gar (#73)
So working with the FAA, NORAD had not rehearsed the possibilities of an aircraft being seized for some terrorist activity?
#75. To: Bill D Berger (#74)
But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.
#76. To: longnose gar (#75)
But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident.
#77. To: longnose gar (#64)
"There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."
#78. To: wudidiz (#66)
There was protocol to follow and it wasn't followed.
#79. To: Bill D Berger (#74)
#80. To: sneakypete, longnose gar, Bill D Berger, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#77)
Sneakypete from 4um says there IS an explanation for this. They were never ordered to take off and intercept any of the airlners."
#81. To: Original_Intent (#80)
You are trying to split hairs or see how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin.
#82. To: sneakypete, Original_Intent (#81)
#83. To: Original_Intent (#79)
#84. To: sneakypete (#78)
(Edited)
There was protocol to follow and it wasn't followed.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#85. To: Bill D Berger (#76)
So working with the FAA, NORAD had not rehearsed the possibilities of an aircraft being seized for some terrorist activity?
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