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Title: White House appears ready to drop 'public option'
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
Published: Aug 16, 2009
Author: PHILIP ELLIOTT
Post Date: 2009-08-16 14:55:23 by freepatriot32
Ping List: *libertarians*     Subscribe to *libertarians*
Keywords: obamacare, national health care, socialism, libertarians
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Comments: 16

WASHINGTON – Bowing to Republican pressure, President Barack Obama's administration signaled on Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.

Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. Such a concession probably would enrage Obama's liberal supporters but could deliver a much-needed victory on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.

Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess. Obama had sought the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation's almost 50 million uninsured, but he never made it a deal breaker in a broad set of ideas that has Republicans unified in opposition.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory.

Under a proposal by Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., consumer-owned nonprofit cooperatives would sell insurance in competition with private industry, not unlike the way electric and agriculture co-ops operate, especially in rural states such as his own.

With $3 billion to $4 billion in initial support from the government, the co-ops would operate under a national structure with state affiliates, but independent of the government. They would be required to maintain the type of financial reserves that private companies are required to keep in case of unexpectedly high claims.

"I think there will be a competitor to private insurers," Sebelius said. "That's really the essential part, is you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing."

Obama's spokesman refused to say a public option was a make-or-break choice.

"What I am saying is the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Sunday.

A day before, Obama appeared to hedge his bets.

"All I'm saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform," Obama said at a town hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colo. "This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it."

Lawmakers have discussed the co-op model for months although the Democratic leadership and the White House have said they prefer a government-run option.

Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, called the argument for a government-run public plan little more than a "wasted effort." He added there are enough votes in the Senate for a cooperative plan.

"It's not government-run and government-controlled," he said. "It's membership-run and membership-controlled. But it does provide a nonprofit competitor for the for-profit insurance companies, and that's why it has appeal on both sides."

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said Obama's team is making a political calculation and embracing the co-op alternative as "a step away from the government takeover of the health care system" that the GOP has pummeled.

"I don't know if it will do everything people want, but we ought to look at it. I think it's a far cry from the original proposals," he said.

Republicans say a public option would have unfair advantages that would drive private insurers out of business. Critics say co-ops would not be genuine public options for health insurance.

Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, said it would be difficult to pass any legislation through the Democratic-controlled Congress without the promised public plan.

"We'll have the same number of people uninsured," she said. "If the insurance companies wanted to insure these people now, they'd be insured."

Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., said the Democrats' option would force individuals from their private plans to a government-run plan, a claim that the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office supports.

"There is a way to get folks insured without having the government option," he said.

Obama, writing in Sunday's New York Times, said political maneuvers should be excluded from the debate.

"In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain," he wrote. "But for all the scare tactics out there, what's truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing."

Congress' proposals, however, seemed likely to strike end-of-life counseling sessions. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has called the session "death panels," a label that has drawn rebuke from her fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, declined to criticize Palin's comments and said Obama wants to create a government-run panel to advise what types of care would be available to citizens.

"In all honesty, I don't want a bunch of nameless, faceless bureaucrats setting health care for my aged citizens in Utah," Hatch said.

Sebelius said the end-of-life proposal was likely to be dropped from the final bill.

"We wanted to make sure doctors were reimbursed for that very important consultation if family members chose to make it, and instead it's been turned into this scare tactic and probably will be off the table," she said.

Sebelius spoke on CNN's "State of the Union" and ABC's "This Week." Gibbs appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation." Conrad and Shelby appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Johnson and Price spoke with "State of the Union." Hatch was interviewed on "This Week." Subscribe to *libertarians*

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#1. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

Who, and where are these 50M un-insured people?

How old are they?

Do they want health insurance?

Are they here legally?

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Lod  posted on  2009-08-16   15:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing."

unless of course you live in a free capitalist society.

Can't have that now.

All of a sudden dissent is no longer patriotic.

4 givan 1  posted on  2009-08-16   16:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: 4 givan 1 (#2)

unless of course you live in a free capitalist society.

When you find one of those, let me know.

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-08-16   16:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#1)

Who, and where are these 50M un-insured people?

People who were unemployed for a long time, and those who work jobs that don't provide healthcare.

How old are they?

People of all ages, though I'd bet that ages 18-35 are overrepresented because people of those ages have jobs that don't provide healthcare.

Do they want health insurance?

I'm sure some are too stupid to even care, but I'd venture to guess most do.

Are they here legally?

I'd bet there are many who aren't, but I'd guess most are here legally.

Illegals don't worry about healthcare. They can just run into a hospital get care, and since they have no credit history, they never pay. The constantly poor get free healthcare too, either through medicaid or by not paying. The hospitals can't squeeze blood from a rock.

In fact the only group who doesn't get free healthcare are working people. Because you can take their house and 401K.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-16   17:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mirage (#3) (Edited)

unless of course you live in a free capitalist society.

When you find one of those, let me know.

Watch out now. It will be mandatory private policies when this goes through.

Big insurers like AIG will now be made whole.

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randge  posted on  2009-08-16   17:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rhino369 (#4)

Thanks for your thoughts.

Is there any way of knowing exactly how the 50M figure was determined?

For some odd reason, I just don't trust stats that come from politicians or .gov.

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Lod  posted on  2009-08-16   17:20:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rhino369 (#4)

Illegals don't worry about healthcare.

Yeah, if the teabaggers/town hellers had wanted to do something constructive, they would have made this their top issue while screaming at the top of their lungs.

Scream after me, bagger/hellers: "Change the law which mandates treatment of non-citizens!"

I think all the teabaggers/town hellers have managed to do here through their tantrums is to pressure .gov into socking it to small businesses such as mine even harder.

Thanks for doing the insurance industry's dirty work for it, bagger/hellers.

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Sam Houston  posted on  2009-08-16   17:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Sam Houston. all (#7)

Scream after me, bagger/hellers: "Change the law which mandates treatment of non-citizens!"

Amen, brother.

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Lod  posted on  2009-08-16   17:56:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#5)

Big insurers like AIG will now be made whole.

Didn't the bailout do that already?

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-08-16   18:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mirage (#9) (Edited)

A lot of these insurance companies still have derivative liabilities hanging.

These vultures are financial black holes that want us to pull their chestnuts out of the fire for them.

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randge  posted on  2009-08-16   18:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge (#10)

A lot of these insurance companies still have derivative liabilities hanging.

Yes, true, true there.

Can't we just let them go bankrupt and disappear?

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-08-16   18:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mirage (#11)

Ooooh! No, no, no, no.

Terrible things will happen if we let these pillars of free enterprise fall.

It's vitally important that we indebt our grandchildren if necessary to prop these giants up.

Didn' you study economics??

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randge  posted on  2009-08-16   18:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-16   19:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: randge (#12)

Didn' you study economics??

Evidently I am in need of retraining. Is there a Federal Program for this?

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-08-16   21:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mirage (#14)

Coming soon, citizen, to a neighborhood near you.

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randge  posted on  2009-08-16   21:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: randge (#15)

Coming soon, citizen, to a neighborhood near you.

Excellent. I await the retraining camps.

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-08-16   22:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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