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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-pra
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Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
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Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer. There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union. "I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials. An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years. "The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' " The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school. In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events. Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious. "She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said.
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#1. To: All, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)
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I must have missed the day the ACLU-collective superseded SCOTUS' authority. The Supreme Court of the United States held that government funding for chaplains was constitutional Marsh v. Chambers, (Nebraska) ergo the ACLU in this case clearly violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. That same decision in 1983 found that opening (or closing) prayer is not an "establishment of religion" prohibited by the 1st amendment, but merely "a tolerable acknowledgment of beliefs widely held among the people of this country." How I despise ACLU weasels.
God forbid, because as we all know, none of those loony Christian Founders NEVER mentioned "God" or "Jesus" or "The Almighty" in their writings, speeches, or letters. "She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said. PRAISE ALLAH!! PRAISE 0BAMA!! PRAISE GAIA!! PRAISE NIETZCHE!!
My new Pakistani Muslim acquaintance, whose daughter attends the same school as mine, rather likes bluegrass music. Who knew?
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
The district is a bunch of pussies. They had NO RIGHT to agree to that. She has the right to say what she wants, and has to only obey the laws against shouting "Fire!", slander, etc. That is the true meaning of censorship: Prior restraint. IOW telling someone they cant speak before they say anything. But the principal has no right to coerce anyone to pray anything. If kids want to pray, then nothing is stopping them. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
I would laugh if one of those ACLU piss ants took a bullet to the head. It would make me laugh so so hard.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Actually dip wad the principal has free speech too. If you don't like it go to China or Hell.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Actually dip wad the principal has free speech too. If you don't like it go to China or Hell. Free speech as a citizen, not free speech to preach to a school. The principal can preach on his own time but proselytizing to public school students is forbidden by the first amendment. The principal isn't in jail for preaching, but for violating the establishment clause. The same would go for a principal preaching Islam or preaching against religion.
Internet tough guy alert. It also proves Christianity is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is.
pissant, just sayin'
I work hard, every day of my life, just stayin' alive.
Don't pay attention to him he is clueless about his own American history busted him to many times to list...just another FU zionist
Your full of shit. Go read the first amendment, probably for the first time. There is no prohibition against anyone praying. There is only a prohibition against the governemnt interfering. Rhino fits you good.....statist fool.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Rob you are such a wuss. If I run into you I will personally remove you from my country. Here is the first amendment for the little African sidekick Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Hey Rob you little cunt do you know what congress is?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Please you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag....
And the principal can pray too, any time he or she wants to. If you don't like it go to China or Hell. That is like saying "Go to the Philippines or Valhalla". .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
If even preachers today cannot get it right, a mere high school principal has a snowballs chance in the lowest hottest level of "hell" of getting it right. I say again, religion is a curse. AKA Stone is a perfect example of this truth. The state has no business teaching religion. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
Hey dip shit ...we are talking about "government" schools ...do you even know the difference between "government" schools and "private" schools...jeez if you like I'll send the latest copy of "Constitution for Dummies"...
What do you call a principal leading a prayer in front of students except government interference? Consider an atheist getting up in front of a class and telling your kid, that god is fiction. Do you not think that violates your kids religious freedom? While acting as principal, on school grounds, during a school function he is an acting agent of the government. Also I'm not a Republican in name or practice.
Hey Rob you little cunt do you know what congress is? You should read up about the 14th amendment and subsequent case law. States now have to follow the bill of rights as well. And further more each and every US state already has a version of the 1st amendment in their state constitutions anyway.
You want to know the funniest part of the whole thing? His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State, and a man who rejected Christianity.
Once again this so called Christian's constitutional ignorance is laid out for all to see....u can't make this stuff up like shooting ducks in a barrel
The right word is indeed "invented," because such a conveyance from the constitution exists only in the imagination of intellectual nitwits like you and pea-brain, robnoel.
Who knew? Muslims can be almost "normal"...eating hamburgers and fries and listening to bluegrass...until Allah "orders" them to fly passenger planes, wear bomb-belts, and stab cartoonists.
Have to correct on that one...Jefferson did not reject Christianity . . . Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative. This presentation of The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions: one edition uses a revised King James Version of the biblical texts, corrected in accordance with the findings of modern scholarship; the second edition uses the original unrevised KJV. The actual verses of the Bible used for both editions are those chosen by Jefferson.
Amen.
I have a dream...;-)
Cut the hyperbolic bullsh*t. Prayer to an Almighty is hardly "proselytizing." Was Washington "proselytizing"? Is Congress "proselytizing" when they invoke a prayer every session? You haven't the foggiest as to what you're talking about.
"constitutionally challenged" must be the new virus that is spreading here
And apparently you possess a brain, in the same way a baboon possesses a brain.
No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off.
You seem to be having a memory lapse. You were warned about this before. Personal attacks and vulgar language are not acceptable. Do you accept this or not???
Just so I understand this... You have somehow made "Zionism" germane to the argument of free speech and prayer at a US public school? I'll bet you blame you hemorrhoids on the "joos" and Zionism." LOL, what a paranoid tool you are.
Waiting for your answer.
Zionist hate free speech ...which puts you in with in that group with AKA
No, I remember you well. You are the pro-Waffen SS sycophant. You were warned about this before. Personal attacks and vulgar language are not acceptable. LOL - are now the thread-nanny? I happen to find your sycophancy of Waffen SS stormtroopers, hatred of "joos" - invisible and otherwise - offensive and "vulgar." What of IT, Nanny??
Christians can be almost "normal"...eating hamburgers and fries and listening to bluegrass...until their governments order them off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike. I don't think it would take much research to substantiate the contention that Christians have killed more Muslims than the other way around. There may be many reasons for it, but the chief one is probably that they are just plain better at it.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I hope you didn't get a bed sore from that l-o-n-g wait. Nanny.
I take it that is a ...NO... Thank You.
I find it fascinating (and pathetic) that some of you people can suddenly and without an iota of context blame "joos" or "Zionists" for whatever. Talk about obsessive compulsive disorders.
Waaaay to generalized a claim to be taken seriously, randge. So your beef with Christians is that when they join the US Armed Forces, that they follow orders? Don't non-Christians follow those same orders?
The great thing about Bush over the past 8 years it has exposed the lunatic fringe who make up a large chunk of Republicans and so called Patriots who are nothing more than "rapture monkeys" and shills for Israel.
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but the sheiks would shriek and the barons would bellow if hemp was made legal...and people became mellow
#2. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
#3. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
The district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.
#4. To: F16Fighter (#3)
PRAISE ALLAH!! PRAISE 0BAMA!! PRAISE GAIA!! PRAISE NIETZCHE!!
#5. To: freepatriot32, all (#0)
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Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.
#6. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
#7. To: PSUSA (#5)
But the principal has no right to coerce anyone to pray anything.
#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#6)
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I would laugh if one of those ACLU piss ants took a bullet to the head. It would make me laugh so so hard.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#6)
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piss ants
#11. To: Rhino369 (#9)
#12. To: Rhino369 (#8)
Free speech as a citizen, not free speech to preach to a school. The principal can preach on his own time but proselytizing to public school students is forbidden by the first amendment.
#13. To: robnoel (#11)
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#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Actually dip wad the principal has free speech too.
#16. To: Rhino369 (#8)
The principal isn't in jail for preaching, but for violating the establishment clause. The same would go for a principal preaching Islam or preaching against religion.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#18. To: A K A Stone (#12)
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There is no prohibition against anyone praying. There is only a prohibition against the governemnt interfering. Rhino fits you good.....statist fool.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#13)
#20. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#14)
Please you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag....
#21. To: Rhino369 (#18)
#22. To: Rhino369, robnoel, A K A Stone (#20)
Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#23. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#4)
My new Pakistani Muslim acquaintance, whose daughter attends the same school as mine, rather likes bluegrass music.
#24. To: Rhino369 (#20)
#25. To: PSUSA (#5)
The district is a bunch of pussies. They had NO RIGHT to agree to that. She has the right to say what she wants, and has to only obey the laws against shouting "Fire!", slander, etc. That is the true meaning of censorship: Prior restraint. IOW telling someone they cant speak before they say anything.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#6)
I would laugh if one of those ACLU piss ants took a bullet to the head. It would make me laugh so so hard.
#27. To: Rhino369 (#8)
Free speech as a citizen, not free speech to preach to a school. The principal can preach on his own time but proselytizing to public school students is forbidden by the first amendment.
#28. To: F16Fighter (#22)
#29. To: Rhino369 (#9)
Christianity is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is.
#30. To: robnoel (#28)
"constitutionally challenged" must be the new virus that is spreading here
#31. To: F16Fighter (#30)
No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off.
#32. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#11)
he is...just another FU zionist
#33. To: F16Fighter (#32)
#34. To: F16Fighter (#32)
#35. To: Cynicom (#31)
You seem to be having a memory lapse.
#36. To: F16Fighter (#23)
Muslims can be almost "normal"
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#37. To: Cynicom (#33)
Waiting for your answer.
#38. To: F16Fighter (#35)
#39. To: robnoel, Cynicom (#34)
Zionist hate free speech ...which puts you in with in that group with AKA
#40. To: randge (#36)
Christians can be almost "normal"...eating hamburgers and fries and listening to bluegrass...until their governments order them off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike.
#41. To: Cynicom (#38)
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