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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-pra
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Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
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Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer. There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union. "I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials. An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years. "The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' " The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school. In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events. Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious. "She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said.
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#15. To: A K A Stone (#7)
And the principal can pray too, any time he or she wants to. If you don't like it go to China or Hell. That is like saying "Go to the Philippines or Valhalla". .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
If even preachers today cannot get it right, a mere high school principal has a snowballs chance in the lowest hottest level of "hell" of getting it right. I say again, religion is a curse. AKA Stone is a perfect example of this truth. The state has no business teaching religion. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
Hey dip shit ...we are talking about "government" schools ...do you even know the difference between "government" schools and "private" schools...jeez if you like I'll send the latest copy of "Constitution for Dummies"...
What do you call a principal leading a prayer in front of students except government interference? Consider an atheist getting up in front of a class and telling your kid, that god is fiction. Do you not think that violates your kids religious freedom? While acting as principal, on school grounds, during a school function he is an acting agent of the government. Also I'm not a Republican in name or practice.
Hey Rob you little cunt do you know what congress is? You should read up about the 14th amendment and subsequent case law. States now have to follow the bill of rights as well. And further more each and every US state already has a version of the 1st amendment in their state constitutions anyway.
You want to know the funniest part of the whole thing? His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State, and a man who rejected Christianity.
Once again this so called Christian's constitutional ignorance is laid out for all to see....u can't make this stuff up like shooting ducks in a barrel
The right word is indeed "invented," because such a conveyance from the constitution exists only in the imagination of intellectual nitwits like you and pea-brain, robnoel.
Who knew? Muslims can be almost "normal"...eating hamburgers and fries and listening to bluegrass...until Allah "orders" them to fly passenger planes, wear bomb-belts, and stab cartoonists.
Have to correct on that one...Jefferson did not reject Christianity . . . Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative. This presentation of The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions: one edition uses a revised King James Version of the biblical texts, corrected in accordance with the findings of modern scholarship; the second edition uses the original unrevised KJV. The actual verses of the Bible used for both editions are those chosen by Jefferson.
Amen.
I have a dream...;-)
Cut the hyperbolic bullsh*t. Prayer to an Almighty is hardly "proselytizing." Was Washington "proselytizing"? Is Congress "proselytizing" when they invoke a prayer every session? You haven't the foggiest as to what you're talking about.
"constitutionally challenged" must be the new virus that is spreading here
And apparently you possess a brain, in the same way a baboon possesses a brain.
No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off.
You seem to be having a memory lapse. You were warned about this before. Personal attacks and vulgar language are not acceptable. Do you accept this or not???
Just so I understand this... You have somehow made "Zionism" germane to the argument of free speech and prayer at a US public school? I'll bet you blame you hemorrhoids on the "joos" and Zionism." LOL, what a paranoid tool you are.
Waiting for your answer.
Zionist hate free speech ...which puts you in with in that group with AKA
No, I remember you well. You are the pro-Waffen SS sycophant. You were warned about this before. Personal attacks and vulgar language are not acceptable. LOL - are now the thread-nanny? I happen to find your sycophancy of Waffen SS stormtroopers, hatred of "joos" - invisible and otherwise - offensive and "vulgar." What of IT, Nanny??
Christians can be almost "normal"...eating hamburgers and fries and listening to bluegrass...until their governments order them off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike. I don't think it would take much research to substantiate the contention that Christians have killed more Muslims than the other way around. There may be many reasons for it, but the chief one is probably that they are just plain better at it.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I hope you didn't get a bed sore from that l-o-n-g wait. Nanny.
I take it that is a ...NO... Thank You.
I find it fascinating (and pathetic) that some of you people can suddenly and without an iota of context blame "joos" or "Zionists" for whatever. Talk about obsessive compulsive disorders.
Waaaay to generalized a claim to be taken seriously, randge. So your beef with Christians is that when they join the US Armed Forces, that they follow orders? Don't non-Christians follow those same orders?
The great thing about Bush over the past 8 years it has exposed the lunatic fringe who make up a large chunk of Republicans and so called Patriots who are nothing more than "rapture monkeys" and shills for Israel.
That's rich. Q: Why are US Congressional sessions begun with prayer?
Are you a Jew or a Haggee Christian?
You can't be that stupid...never mind silly question!
Are you sure you're not a cartoon character? Such stabs in the dark and absurdities do nothing at all to reinforce the possibility that you might be taken seriously at any level.
Are you a cartoon character or do you just play one at 4um? Sheeeeet, what a frickin' joke.
Go back to FreeRepublic your kind of people
Waaaay to generalized a claim to be taken seriously, randge. That's a serious challenge, and it deserves a serious answer. The Muslims have posed no military challenge to Christian forces since Polish armies ran the Turks out of Austria in 1683. Since that time Christian forces were on the ascendancy everywhere as European nations extended influence and empire across the globe. I will admit that while victories in the field are not solely dependent upon inflicting the preponderance of casualties on a foe, they are commonly the result of it. It would be quite a labor to tote up all the casualties suffered on both sides of all conficts waged between Mulims and Chirstians. But one could safely say that Christian armies have not been besting Muslim armies for the last 400 years for want of killing them. So your beef with Christians is that when they join the US Armed Forces,that they follow orders? This is the charge of course that I have heard traditionally laid at the feet of the nazis. Yeah, lots of guys signed up for what I consider misbegotten reasons. They invaded a country that had not attacked their nation in any wise. They did this irrespective of religion on the whole, I believe. They did it in response to what rulers have traditionally used to raise armies - propaganda. Some of course did it for the job and some for the adventure. I think that, as a result, lots of Iraqis - and Americans - have died for nothing. Don't non-Christians follow those same orders? Yes, they do, and fools they are.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I know a Filipina who loves country music and plays her guitar and sings songs.
An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years. "....the U.S. Constitution was from its inception an apostate covenant, which broke the pre-existing colonial covenants with God....." http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/ The Avalon Project : The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 Full text HTML document of original Virginia Constitution. "...Tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...." avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/va01.asp The enduring legacy of the First Landing http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=41327 Psalm 2 - The Reign of the LORD's Anointed 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us : IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. [ www.missiontoisrael.org/b...constitutionalism-pt9.php ]. Who benefits? George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews ... Sep 15, 2004 ... Oldest US synagogue holds a public reading of a 1790 letter spelling out religious freedoms. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
LOL!
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
You don't believe this happens? You believe the teacher would be sued? By the ACLU?
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Great. Show me where the Second Amendment has been applied to the states. I can't wait.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention?
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Let's recap. You're the one who just claimed, "[Christians'] governments order them [Christians] off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike." REALLY? In the name of who?? Or what?? Don't tell me you mean to say bombs and "ordnance" are dropped on humanity "in the name of Jesus Christ"? The Muslims have posed no military challenge to Christian forces since Polish armies ran the Turks out of Austria in 1683. Since that time Christian forces were on the ascendancy everywhere as European nations extended influence and empire across the globe. Firstly, there have been no such "Christian forces" fighting anyone anywhere since 1683 - only sovereign nations and tribes battling offensively or defensively in the name of their respective Kingdom over existing territory and resources or their own empire. AS HAD BEEN THE CASE SINCE DAY ONE. Secondly, the post-1683 Ottoman Empire and its Muslim surrogates have NEVER stopped through pushing around the infidels were left within its Empire or sphere of influence, or whatever territory their Muslim brethren infest till this day. It would be quite a labor to tote up all the casualties suffered on both sides of all conficts waged between Mulims and Chirstians. But one could safely say that Christian armies have not been besting Muslim armies for the last 400 years for want of killing them. Attributed to the mercy of Christendom and their ethics if anything. This (following orders) is the charge of course that I have heard traditionally laid at the feet of the nazis. Yeah, lots of guys signed up for what I consider misbegotten reasons. They invaded a country that had not attacked their nation in any wise. They did this irrespective of religion on the whole, I believe. They did it in response to what rulers have traditionally used to raise armies - propaganda. Some of course did it for the job and some for the adventure. I think that, as a result, lots of Iraqis - and Americans - have died for nothing. Let's NOT get crazy and compare Nazis "following orders" to "Americans following orders," ok? Geez... While I don't approve of the invasion and occupation and "Nation Building" of Iraq at all, ALL of America was victimized by the propagandist reasons of being there in the first place; But while American forces were there, they have happened to have rebuilt a substantial part of Iraq's infrastructure, imparted a benevolence, and have helped establish "Democratic" form government and establishing civil rights. American Forces have performed brilliantly and without a brutality. Was it all worth it? Of course not. Bottom line? YOU singularly blamed and held American "Christians" accountable as a "Christian" force who was responsible for "dropping ordnance" squarely on the "heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike." Your charge is nothing but fallacious bullsh*t which indiscriminately slandered good, patriotic Christian fighting American men and women who believe they are defending America. I HOPE you're better than that.
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#16. To: Rhino369 (#8)
The principal isn't in jail for preaching, but for violating the establishment clause. The same would go for a principal preaching Islam or preaching against religion.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#18. To: A K A Stone (#12)
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There is no prohibition against anyone praying. There is only a prohibition against the governemnt interfering. Rhino fits you good.....statist fool.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#13)
#20. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#14)
Please you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag....
#21. To: Rhino369 (#18)
#22. To: Rhino369, robnoel, A K A Stone (#20)
Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#23. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#4)
My new Pakistani Muslim acquaintance, whose daughter attends the same school as mine, rather likes bluegrass music.
#24. To: Rhino369 (#20)
#25. To: PSUSA (#5)
The district is a bunch of pussies. They had NO RIGHT to agree to that. She has the right to say what she wants, and has to only obey the laws against shouting "Fire!", slander, etc. That is the true meaning of censorship: Prior restraint. IOW telling someone they cant speak before they say anything.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#6)
I would laugh if one of those ACLU piss ants took a bullet to the head. It would make me laugh so so hard.
#27. To: Rhino369 (#8)
Free speech as a citizen, not free speech to preach to a school. The principal can preach on his own time but proselytizing to public school students is forbidden by the first amendment.
#28. To: F16Fighter (#22)
#29. To: Rhino369 (#9)
Christianity is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is.
#30. To: robnoel (#28)
"constitutionally challenged" must be the new virus that is spreading here
#31. To: F16Fighter (#30)
No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off.
#32. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#11)
he is...just another FU zionist
#33. To: F16Fighter (#32)
#34. To: F16Fighter (#32)
#35. To: Cynicom (#31)
You seem to be having a memory lapse.
#36. To: F16Fighter (#23)
Muslims can be almost "normal"
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#37. To: Cynicom (#33)
Waiting for your answer.
#38. To: F16Fighter (#35)
#39. To: robnoel, Cynicom (#34)
Zionist hate free speech ...which puts you in with in that group with AKA
#40. To: randge (#36)
Christians can be almost "normal"...eating hamburgers and fries and listening to bluegrass...until their governments order them off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike.
#41. To: Cynicom (#38)
#42. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#17)
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I'll send the latest copy of "Constitution for Dummies"...
#43. To: F16Fighter (#39)
#44. To: F16Fighter (#42)
#45. To: robnoel (#41)
Patriots [are] are nothing more than "rapture monkeys" and shills for Israel.
#46. To: robnoel (#43)
Are you a Jew or a Haggee Christian?
#47. To: F16Fighter (#46)
#48. To: F16Fighter (#40)
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www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#49. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#4)
My new Pakistani Muslim acquaintance, whose daughter attends the same school as mine, rather likes bluegrass music
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#50. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
#51. To: Rhino369 (#8)
The same would go for a principal preaching Islam or preaching against religion.
#52. To: Rhino369 (#18)
Consider an atheist getting up in front of a class and telling your kid, that god is fiction. Do you not think that violates your kids religious freedom?
#53. To: Rhino369 (#19)
You should read up about the 14th amendment and subsequent case law. States now have to follow the bill of rights as well.
#54. To: Rhino369 (#20)
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#55. To: randge (#48)
That's a serious challenge, and it deserves a serious answer.
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