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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-pra
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com
Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
Ping List: *libertarians*     Subscribe to *libertarians*
Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
Views: 4770
Comments: 94

Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer.

There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials.

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years.

"The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' "

The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school.

In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events.

Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.

"She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said. Subscribe to *libertarians*

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Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.

The district is a bunch of pussies. They had NO RIGHT to agree to that. She has the right to say what she wants, and has to only obey the laws against shouting "Fire!", slander, etc. That is the true meaning of censorship: Prior restraint. IOW telling someone they cant speak before they say anything.

But the principal has no right to coerce anyone to pray anything. If kids want to pray, then nothing is stopping them.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-17   15:39:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#5)

But the principal has no right to coerce anyone to pray anything.

Actually dip wad the principal has free speech too. If you don't like it go to China or Hell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-17   16:33:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Actually dip wad the principal has free speech too. If you don't like it go to China or Hell.

Free speech as a citizen, not free speech to preach to a school. The principal can preach on his own time but proselytizing to public school students is forbidden by the first amendment.

The principal isn't in jail for preaching, but for violating the establishment clause. The same would go for a principal preaching Islam or preaching against religion.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-17   16:37:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rhino369 (#8)

Free speech as a citizen, not free speech to preach to a school. The principal can preach on his own time but proselytizing to public school students is forbidden by the first amendment.

Your full of shit. Go read the first amendment, probably for the first time.

There is no prohibition against anyone praying. There is only a prohibition against the governemnt interfering. Rhino fits you good.....statist fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-17   17:00:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#12)

Hey dip shit ...we are talking about "government" schools ...do you even know the difference between "government" schools and "private" schools...jeez if you like I'll send the latest copy of "Constitution for Dummies"...

robnoel  posted on  2009-08-17   17:41:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#17) (Edited)

I'll send the latest copy of "Constitution for Dummies"...

That's rich.

Q: Why are US Congressional sessions begun with prayer?

Liberator  posted on  2009-08-17   18:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: F16Fighter (#42)

You can't be that stupid...never mind silly question!

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