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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-pra
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com
Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
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Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer.

There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials.

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years.

"The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' "

The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school.

In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events.

Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.

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#50. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years.

"....the U.S. Constitution was from its inception an apostate covenant, which broke the pre-existing colonial covenants with God....."

http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/

The Avalon Project : The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 Full text HTML document of original Virginia Constitution.

"...Tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...."

avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/va01.asp

The enduring legacy of the First Landing http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=41327

Psalm 2 - The Reign of the LORD's Anointed

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us :

bible.cc/psalms/2-2.htm

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. [ www.missiontoisrael.org/b...constitutionalism-pt9.php ]. Who benefits?

George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews ... Sep 15, 2004 ... Oldest US synagogue holds a public reading of a 1790 letter spelling out religious freedoms. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-08-17   19:26:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Rhino369, A K A Stone, robnoel (#50)

The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. Who benefits?

Great points, yet the pods will roll their eyeball into the back of their sockets when asked to consider who the real demonic power is...

Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."

Bwaahaa!! Dear Clueless tools and patsies of the NWO: NICE JOB!

The scapegoats for control over the world remain either:

Zionists

OR

Christians

*snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2009-08-17   20:45:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#72. To: F16Fighter (#58)

Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."

America is definitely not run by Christians. Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells.

Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't.

Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets.

If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-17 22:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: F16Fighter (#58)

The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. Who benefits?

Great points, yet the pods will roll their eyeball into the back of their sockets when asked to consider who the real demonic power is...

Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."

Bwaahaa!! Dear Clueless tools and patsies of the NWO: NICE JOB!

The scapegoats for control over the world remain either:

Zionists

OR

Christians

I think you misunderstood me. See Psalm 2 again, verse 6: "yet have I set my King on my holy Mount Zion. " See the First Virginia Charter again:

"...Tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...."

See Micah 4

[my computer is running WAY too slowly, and I don't have a Bible handy, so from memory]

Micah 4

In the last days the Mountain [government...see Isaiah 9:6-7] of the House of the Lord ["My Son shall build my 'house'"/"know ye not that YE are the 'temple' of God...."] shall be established in the top of the mountains [governments] and people will flow into it. They will say LET US GO UP TO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD AND HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS AND THE LAW SHALL GO FORTH FROM JERUSALEM. [Not the Jerusalem where they crucified Christ and His followers, where they still spit on Christians and the cross, and to this day burn the New Testament and forbid Christians to teach in Christ's name, but the JerUSAlem which was founded with a cross and a charter to spread the gospel.

See Psalm 2.

The "kings of the earth", "rulers", and "judges" have attempted to kick Christ and His followers out of His kingdom. [Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my King on my holy Mount Zion.] After giving the "canaries in the coal mine" their charter, The City started backtracking on the deal almost immediately, until finally the king, and the so-called " founding fathers" went into cahoots to put the zionists firmly in control of America. [You have to remember that most, if not all of the Presidents in this country are related by blood to the British Monarchy. The British Monarchy claims it is related to King David of the Tribe of Judah, and that they are also descended from Ephraim/Joseph; in THEIR minds, giving them divine right to rule over the rest of the world "on the throne of king David" in ZION. ZIONISM comes out of BRITAIN/CITY OF LONDON]:

Cornwallis to George Washington, in the book Legions of Satan: A HOLY WAR will now begin against America. [note: see Psalm 2]. She will think she is free but HER CHURCHES WILL BE USED TO TEACH THE JEWS' RELIGION [note: hence the Jews as the "chosen people" myth and the Old Jerusalem as "Israel" myth, and all the wars fought , according to the Jews religion, by the sword/eye-for-an-eye, as stepping stones to Zionist rule over the whole earth. See scepterofjudah.net , a Jewish perversion of the gospel of Christ], AND SHE WILL BE WORKING TOWARD DIVINE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS THE [Judeo-] BRITISH EMPIRE, OVERSEEN BY THE GRAND ARCHITECT OF [Judeo-] FREEMASONRY.

see Jordan Maxwell - The Queen of England Exposed Part 1

A pertinent excerpt from Bible Law vs. Constitutionalism: A Christian Perspective, Chapter 9 [above] [note this is a White Christian Identity site, so at first I was ready to disregard it, until after reading for awhile I realized that, except for the "white as Israel" angle, they were on the right track as far as this country being intended by God as the kingdom Jesus said He would take from the Jews and give to another.]

".....Other Sundry Edicts and Treaties

Not only did the framers claim the U.S. Constitution as the supreme law of the land, they also declared all subsequent laws and treaties made under the authority of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. Consequently, the treaty made with the Muslims of Tripoli (officially known as the Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, signed by President John Adams and unanimously ratified by the Fifth Congress on January 3, 1797), including Article 11, became the supreme law of the land:

the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion….
Treaty with Tripoli, of Barbary, Article 11

Even pro-Constitutionalist David Barton, founder and president of Wallbuilders, admitted that this declaration is factual:

…this is not an untrue statement since it is referring to the federal government [as opposed to 18th-century America in general].13

America was founded upon Christian principles and was at one time a predominately Christian nation. But, a distinction must be made between early 17th-century America and the late 18th-century United States of America. Because most Constitutionalists regard it as one uninterrupted, continuous history, they use the two terms interchangeably. However, what occurred in the 1700s was an undeniable departure from 1600 America when, for the most part, she was governed by the laws of Yahweh. (See Chapter 3 for more on this extremely important distinction.)

Judges Bound Thereby

Clause 2 also dictates that “the judges in every state shall be bound” by such treaties. Consequently, with the Treaty with Tripoli in mind, no judge in his official capacity – former Alabama Judge Roy Moore notwithstanding – can escape a breach of his oath of office if he attempts to promote the Ten Commandments or anything else biblical or Christian.

In 2003, Constitutionalists and Christians alike protested the State of Alabama’s right to impeach Judge Moore for erecting in Alabama’s Supreme Court a memorial to the Ten Commandments. In an article entitled “You Might Be a Constitutionalist If…,” 2008 Constitution Party Presidential candidate, Pastor Chuck Baldwin posited:

You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government had no authority to tell Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore that he could not display a monument containing the Ten Commandments in the Alabama Judicial Building in Montgomery.14

The truth is you might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government had constitutional authority, provided by Article 6 and the Treaty with Tripoli, to do just that.

On the other hand, because we have no treaties declaring the United States is not a Judaic or Islamic nation, it would not be unconstitutional if a judge were to promote the Talmud or the Koran. Accordingly, in a recent dissenting decision, Justice Antonin Scalia (arguably the most “conservative” justice on the Supreme Court) quoted the Talmud:

A Talmudic maxim instructs with respect to the Scripture: “Turn it over, and turn it over, for all is therein.” The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Aboth, Ch. V, Mishnah 22 (I. Epstein ed. 1935).15

This should not surprise anyone. Scalia, a student of the Talmud, was one of three Supreme Court Justices who, in 2002, promoted the Washington DC-based Jewish Law Institute:

Jewish [Talmudic] legal experts have created a new institute that will educate jurists and others about 2,000 years of Jewish law and promote the application of the teachings to contemporary legal disputes and other modern-day issues.

The launch of the Washington-based national Institute for Judaic law was marked Tuesday night with a kosher dinner at the Supreme Court attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices – Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer, and Antonin Scalia.

US President George Bush sent greetings and applauded the institute for promoting an “understanding of Judaism’s rich tradition of legal thought…. Through the study and teaching of Jewish law and philosophy you are contributing to a growing culture of service, citizenship, and responsibility in America,” Bush wrote.

Scalia, in a letter to the Institute’s founder, Noson Gurary, wrote that “Jewish law is certainly one of the oldest and most highly developed systems” and explained why the comparative study of legal traditions was beneficial.

“The idea is to make Jewish law more accessible to everyone,” said Washington lawyer Alyza Lewin…. Last year, Alyza Lewin filed a brief to the Supreme Court based on the Talmud’s take on capital punishment when the court was readying to hear a case on the constitutionality of the electric chair. “Legal scholars often like to know what other legal traditions have said about certain issues,” said Alyza Lewin. Filing that kind of opinion is only part of the institute’s mandate. It will also promote the teaching of Jewish law, develop curricula on Jewish law that can be integrated into traditional law school courses….16

This center is devoted to Jewish (Talmudic), not Hebraic (Old Testament) law. The traditions of the elders, which Yeshua so adamantly opposed during His earthly ministry (about 2,000 years ago) were codified circa 500 AD into what is now known as the Babylonian Talmud (which is nearly always in direct opposition to Yahweh’s laws). Hebraic law, on the other hand, can be traced back to Moses (and before) to approximately 3,200 years ago.

The United Nations Charter

Not only does Clause 2 make the Treaty with Tripoli a part of the supreme law of the land, it also makes the Charter of the United Nations the supreme law of the land:

The Charter [of the United Nations] has become “the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.17

Anyone promoting the United States Constitution is equally obliged to promote the Treaty with Tripoli’s non-Christian declaration and the United Nations Charter.

Treaties Supersede State Concerns

In Missouri v. Holland, U.S. Game Warden, 252 U.S. 416 (1920), concerning the Migratory Bird Treaty of 1918 with Great Britain, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Holmes, Jr., noted that the treaties clause of Article 6 makes treaties coequal with the U.S. Constitution itself. In effect, this decision made state concerns secondary to the federal Constitution and also to international treaties. In his decision, Justice Holmes revealed the extent of an international treaty’s power and influence:

…it is not enough to refer to the Tenth Amendment, reserving the powers not delegated to the United States, because by Article 2, Section 2, the power to make treaties is delegated expressly, and by Article 6 treaties made under the authority of the United States, along with the Constitution and laws of the United States made in pursuance thereof, are declared the supreme law of the land. If the treaty is valid there can be no dispute about the validity of the statute under Article 1, Section 8, as a necessary and proper means to execute the powers of the government….

Acts of Congress are the supreme law of the land only when made in pursuance of the Constitution, while treaties are declared to be so when made under the authority of the United States….

Valid treaties of course “are as binding within the territorial limits of the States as they are elsewhere throughout the dominion of the United States.” No doubt the great body of private relations usually fall within the control of the State, but a treaty may override its power….18

Infanticide and Sodomy

All laws passed by Congress, including those which have legalized infanticide and sodomy are now the supreme law of the land under the United States Constitutional Republic. These laws could never be a part of a government predicated upon Yahweh’s laws. Instead of legalizing these and other abominations, Yahweh’s law condemns infanticide and sodomy19 as capital crimes.20 “Laws” legitimizing infanticide and sodomy are only the tip of the abominable iceberg that Christian Constitutionalists are obligated to honor as the supreme law of the land. ....."

According to the Constitution and the Treaty of Tripoli, the government of the United States [aka CorpUSA] are not in any sense based on the Christian religion.

At the same time, the government of the United States has declared that the government IS founded on the 7 Noahide Laws, which declare that Christians are idolators and must be executed by beheading, and also that all other religions besides Judaism "must disappear".

The Jewish AntiDefamation [of Jews] League has gotten Congress to pass "Hate Laws" that make criminals of Christians.

The whole world now operates, not under "law", but under the United Commercial CODE [which is only "color of law"] which has its roots in the Babylonian Talmud.

In summary, the Constitution declared that the United States would not be ruled by Christianity, but that there would instead be "freedom of religion". George Washington said they would give "To Bigotry No Sanction, to Persecution No Assistance".

.

So I ask again, two hundred years later: Who benefits?

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