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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-pra
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com
Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
Ping List: *libertarians*     Subscribe to *libertarians*
Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
Views: 1439
Comments: 94

Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer.

There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials.

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years.

"The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' "

The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school.

In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events.

Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.

"She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said. Subscribe to *libertarians*

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#6. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

I would laugh if one of those ACLU piss ants took a bullet to the head. It would make me laugh so so hard.

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-17   16:31:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#6) (Edited)

I would laugh if one of those ACLU piss ants took a bullet to the head. It would make me laugh so so hard.

Internet tough guy alert.

It also proves Christianity is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-17   16:38:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rhino369 (#9)

Don't pay attention to him he is clueless about his own American history busted him to many times to list...just another FU zionist

robnoel  posted on  2009-08-17   16:58:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robnoel (#11) (Edited)

Rob you are such a wuss. If I run into you I will personally remove you from my country.

Here is the first amendment for the little African sidekick

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Hey Rob you little cunt do you know what congress is?

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-17   17:01:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Please you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag....

robnoel  posted on  2009-08-17   17:04:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: robnoel, A K A Stone (#14)

Please you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag....

You want to know the funniest part of the whole thing? His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State, and a man who rejected Christianity.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-17   17:52:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Rhino369 (#20)

His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State

Do you mean it's not in the Constitution?

Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention?

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2009-08-17   19:38:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: DeaconBenjamin (#54)

Do you mean it's not in the Constitution?

Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention?

Yes of course it is.

The first amendment is modeled after "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom," in Virginia, 1786, written by Thomas Jefferson.

This is some basic American History 101 stuff.

The Virgina Constitution was very influential in creating the US Constitution.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-17   22:22:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#76. To: Rhino369 (#71)

The first amendment is modeled after "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom," in Virginia, 1786, written by Thomas Jefferson.

This is some basic American History 101 stuff.

Silly me, I thought it was based upon George Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights. In fact, I think it was the Commonwealth of Virginia that first instructed me accordingly.

THE VIRGINIA DECLARATION OF RIGHTS 1

SECTION I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

SEC. 2. That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants and at all times amenable to them.

SEC. 3. That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal.

SEC. 4. That no man, or set of men, are entitled to exclusive or separate emoluments or privileges from the community, but in consideration of public services; which, not being descendible, neither ought the offices of magistrate, legislator, or judge to be hereditary.

SEC. 5. That the legislative and executive powers of the state should be separate and distinct from the judiciary; and that the members of the two first may be restrained from oppression, by feeling and participating the burdens of the people, they should, at fixed periods, be reduced to a private station, return into that body from which they were originally taken, and the vacancies be supplied by frequent, certain, and regular elections, in which all, or any part, of the former members, to be again eligible, or ineligible, as the laws shall direct.

SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented for the public good.

SEC. 7. That all power of suspending laws, or the execution of laws, by any authority, without consent of the representatives of the people, is injurious to their rights and ought not to be exercised.

SEC. 8. That in all capital or criminal prosecutions a man hath a right to demand the cause and nature of his accusation, to be confronted with the accusers and witnesses, to call for evidence in his favor, and to a speedy trial by an impartial jury of twelve men of his vicinage, without whose unanimous consent he cannot be found guilty; nor can he be compelled to give evidence against himself; that no man be deprived of his liberty, except by the law of the land or the judgment of his peers.

SEC. 9. That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. [How does the 8th amendment read?]

SEC. 10. That general warrants, whereby an officer or messenger may be commanded to search suspected places without evidence of a fact committed, or to seize any person or persons not named, or whose offense is not particularly described and supported by evidence, are grievous and oppressive and ought not to be granted.

SEC. 11. That in controversies respecting property, and in suits between man and man, the ancient trial by jury is preferable to any other and ought to be held sacred.

SEC. 12. That the freedom of the press is one of the great bulwarks of liberty and can never be restrained but by despotic governments.

SEC. 13. That a well-regulated militia, or composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

SEC. 14. That the people have a right to uniform government; and, therefore, that no government separate from or independent of the government of Virginia ought to be erected or established within the limits thereof.

SEC. 15. That no free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.

SEC. 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2009-08-17 22:48:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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