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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
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Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
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Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer. There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union. "I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials. An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years. "The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' " The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school. In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events. Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious. "She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said.
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Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention?
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Let's recap. You're the one who just claimed, "[Christians'] governments order them [Christians] off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike." REALLY? In the name of who?? Or what?? Don't tell me you mean to say bombs and "ordnance" are dropped on humanity "in the name of Jesus Christ"? The Muslims have posed no military challenge to Christian forces since Polish armies ran the Turks out of Austria in 1683. Since that time Christian forces were on the ascendancy everywhere as European nations extended influence and empire across the globe. Firstly, there have been no such "Christian forces" fighting anyone anywhere since 1683 - only sovereign nations and tribes battling offensively or defensively in the name of their respective Kingdom over existing territory and resources or their own empire. AS HAD BEEN THE CASE SINCE DAY ONE. Secondly, the post-1683 Ottoman Empire and its Muslim surrogates have NEVER stopped through pushing around the infidels were left within its Empire or sphere of influence, or whatever territory their Muslim brethren infest till this day. It would be quite a labor to tote up all the casualties suffered on both sides of all conficts waged between Mulims and Chirstians. But one could safely say that Christian armies have not been besting Muslim armies for the last 400 years for want of killing them. Attributed to the mercy of Christendom and their ethics if anything. This (following orders) is the charge of course that I have heard traditionally laid at the feet of the nazis. Yeah, lots of guys signed up for what I consider misbegotten reasons. They invaded a country that had not attacked their nation in any wise. They did this irrespective of religion on the whole, I believe. They did it in response to what rulers have traditionally used to raise armies - propaganda. Some of course did it for the job and some for the adventure. I think that, as a result, lots of Iraqis - and Americans - have died for nothing. Let's NOT get crazy and compare Nazis "following orders" to "Americans following orders," ok? Geez... While I don't approve of the invasion and occupation and "Nation Building" of Iraq at all, ALL of America was victimized by the propagandist reasons of being there in the first place; But while American forces were there, they have happened to have rebuilt a substantial part of Iraq's infrastructure, imparted a benevolence, and have helped establish "Democratic" form government and establishing civil rights. American Forces have performed brilliantly and without a brutality. Was it all worth it? Of course not. Bottom line? YOU singularly blamed and held American "Christians" accountable as a "Christian" force who was responsible for "dropping ordnance" squarely on the "heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike." Your charge is nothing but fallacious bullsh*t which indiscriminately slandered good, patriotic Christian fighting American men and women who believe they are defending America. I HOPE you're better than that.
You mean non-cartoon kinda people? But let not your heart be troubled - I have no intention of swallowing your kind of Koolade and responding to the ravings of a lunatic.
In case you still do not get it most here have little time for you Neo-Conservatives/Christian Zionists nut jobs and will point out how out of touch you all are....so deal with it dip shit!
Great points, yet the pods will roll their eyeball into the back of their sockets when asked to consider who the real demonic power is... Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is." Bwaahaa!! Dear Clueless tools and patsies of the NWO: NICE JOB! The scapegoats for control over the world remain either: Zionists OR Christians *snicker*
ROFL ...how out of touch you all are....so deal with it dip shit!
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention? Ooops.
Alan Sherman? Lawdie!
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. you have defined yourself with that post.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" That was '"Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh' wasn't it?
Think you're right. Who did "Coming to take me away" then?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I don't think that the forces used by Christian kings over the centuries were morally superior to the Muslims, nor do I believe that the Muslims were any better men than their Christian counterparts. Religion was used as a whip hand on both sides. I am carry a big torch for Western civilization though. We should not let our world be subsumed by theirs. There would, ordinarily, be no fear of that, but our rulers insist on getting us involved in quarrels over there that are nor in our interest, and who is it that imports all those folks over here? They come here in numbers in direct proportion to the amount of mayhem that we are stirring up on that side of the world. And don't kid yourself about what we've built in Iraq. Life is still a piece of s**t over there and, materially anyway, they still have a ways to go to get back to prewar standards in many respects. I've talked to men who were there not long ago, and large parts of Baghdad are still short of electricity for significant portions of the day. What we did in Iraq wasn't particularly "Christian" in my humble opinion.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Uummmm...yeah. Btw Mr. USA = Unibomber, please let us all know when your "Satan / Cheney in "08" bumper sticker changes to, "Satan / 0bama - Is The World Healing Yet"? Thanks.
Napoleon MMMCCDXXVIII or something like that.
Silly adherents! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. You believe the teacher would be sued? By the ACLU? http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/01/aclu_sues_over_muslim_charter.php They sued to close a Muslim preaching school. I bet they'd sue to stop atheists too.
Great. Show me where the Second Amendment has been applied to the states. I can't wait. I believe those law suits are being settled as we speak after the SC ruled the 2A is an individual right.
Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention? Yes of course it is. The first amendment is modeled after "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom," in Virginia, 1786, written by Thomas Jefferson. This is some basic American History 101 stuff. The Virgina Constitution was very influential in creating the US Constitution.
America is definitely not run by Christians. Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells. Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't. Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets. If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing.
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention? Ooops. Oops for you. go to post 71, its you two who are ignorant about basic US history.
Federal judge leaves most of ACLU's suit against Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy intact July 22, 2009 A judge ruled Tuesday that he will not dismiss a lawsuit alleging that Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TiZA) illegally promotes religion, but he has thrown out claims brought against the Minnesota Department of Education in the same dispute. The American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota sued the Inver Grove Heights charter school in January, claiming that the public school is endorsing Islam in violation of the U.S. Constitution. In a written statement on Tuesday, TiZA attorney Erick Kaardal pointed out that the judge dismissed one of three claims brought by the ACLU against the K-8 school, where most students are Somali. He said school officials remain confident that TiZA is not promoting religion in violation of the First Amendment. The ACLU also named the Education Department and its commissioner, Alice Seagren, as defendants, arguing that the state failed to stop the alleged violations. In an opinion issued Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Donovan Frank rejected many of the school's arguments for dismissing the case, but dismissed all claims against the Education Department and two of three against Seagren. The Education Department had argued that the Constitution protects the state from being sued in federal court, and the ACLU conceded the point in this case, said ACLU legal counsel Teresa Nelson.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
You don't believe that the states and municipalities are fighting the application of the Second Amendment to them? I trust you also understand that as regards Keller, DC, as a federal enclave, does not implicate the 14th amendment.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
This is some basic American History 101 stuff. Silly me, I thought it was based upon George Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights. In fact, I think it was the Commonwealth of Virginia that first instructed me accordingly. THE VIRGINIA DECLARATION OF RIGHTS 1 SECTION I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. SEC. 2. That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants and at all times amenable to them. SEC. 3. That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal. SEC. 4. That no man, or set of men, are entitled to exclusive or separate emoluments or privileges from the community, but in consideration of public services; which, not being descendible, neither ought the offices of magistrate, legislator, or judge to be hereditary. SEC. 5. That the legislative and executive powers of the state should be separate and distinct from the judiciary; and that the members of the two first may be restrained from oppression, by feeling and participating the burdens of the people, they should, at fixed periods, be reduced to a private station, return into that body from which they were originally taken, and the vacancies be supplied by frequent, certain, and regular elections, in which all, or any part, of the former members, to be again eligible, or ineligible, as the laws shall direct. SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented for the public good. SEC. 7. That all power of suspending laws, or the execution of laws, by any authority, without consent of the representatives of the people, is injurious to their rights and ought not to be exercised. SEC. 8. That in all capital or criminal prosecutions a man hath a right to demand the cause and nature of his accusation, to be confronted with the accusers and witnesses, to call for evidence in his favor, and to a speedy trial by an impartial jury of twelve men of his vicinage, without whose unanimous consent he cannot be found guilty; nor can he be compelled to give evidence against himself; that no man be deprived of his liberty, except by the law of the land or the judgment of his peers. SEC. 9. That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. [How does the 8th amendment read?] SEC. 10. That general warrants, whereby an officer or messenger may be commanded to search suspected places without evidence of a fact committed, or to seize any person or persons not named, or whose offense is not particularly described and supported by evidence, are grievous and oppressive and ought not to be granted. SEC. 11. That in controversies respecting property, and in suits between man and man, the ancient trial by jury is preferable to any other and ought to be held sacred. SEC. 12. That the freedom of the press is one of the great bulwarks of liberty and can never be restrained but by despotic governments. SEC. 13. That a well-regulated militia, or composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. SEC. 14. That the people have a right to uniform government; and, therefore, that no government separate from or independent of the government of Virginia ought to be erected or established within the limits thereof. SEC. 15. That no free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles. SEC. 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Religion was used as a whip hand on both sides. I agree with your characterization that religion as been used and manipulated as a whip by both Christianity and Islam, but it's been hundreds of years since "Christianity" has fought a "Holy War" ; On the other hand, Islam is still fighting for Allah. I also I beg to differ on drawing any moral equivalence between Christianity - which has contributed mightily to civilization, and Islam, which contributed relatively little. I am carry a big torch for Western civilization though. We should not let our world be subsumed by theirs. Ordinarily, be no fear of that, but our rulers insist on getting us involved in quarrels over there that are nor in our interest, and who is it that imports all those folks over here? They come here in numbers in direct proportion to the amount of mayhem that we are stirring up on that side of the world. That torch can't be too big; Coulda fooled me. And is our world really consumed by Islam's? The only reason the Middle East is an issue at all is a matter of oil. And because it is a tactical political chess game for the NWO Elites - which includes the Saudis of whom Dubya was beholden, as well as 0bama. Yes, Islam is perpetually at war with the infidel. How better to distract the West from other things - like stealing wealth from the middle class? Other than that they are inconsequential. The West - and specifically the US - should have nothing to do with them either in their world, and especially within our world - We have absolutely nothing in common. But "we" aren't calling many of the shots there days, are we? As a poison, and a death a cult it appears clear that the NWO Elites have implanted Muslim immigration (and all illegals) as the disease and offering Gubmint's Homeland Security as "the cure"...which leads me to the "convenience" of 9/11 and the Invasion of both Afghanistan and Iraq. Don't kid yourself about what we've built in Iraq. Life is still a piece of s**t over there and, materially anyway, they still have a ways to go to get back to prewar standards in many respects. I've talked to men who were there not long ago, and large parts of Baghdad are still short of electricity for significant portions of the day. I have no such delusions of grandeur about how much of Iraq has or has NOT been rebuilt with hundreds of billions of siphoned out of the US taxpayer dollars. Iraq was a Third World hellhole before we got there in many respects (except for the modernity of Baghdad) and it'll remain a chaotic mess. It's nothing but a d@mn stage-prop in any case. What we did in Iraq wasn't particularly "Christian" in my humble opinion. Nor was the operation inflicted "in the name of Christ" - despite rumors floated of Dubya Bush's supposed so-called "mission from God." That notion did net a nice catch. How can you be blind from the elephant in the room? America....White-Euros....and "Christianity" have become the World's scapegoat. Do the math. Nonetheless it was disappointing that you chose unnecessarily and unfairly to impugn the reputation of Christian American patriots. Dropping "ordnance" is after all strictly a 20th/21st century phenomenon.
Well done.
It's late, and I have to get up early, so all I'll say is this: We dropped a lot of "ordnance" over there on folks that didn't deserve it, for reasons that escape me. That's a blot on our civilization from my standpoint. I say that with much regret, but I cannot say otherwise according to my conscience. Perhaps we'll continue this another time.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. No, it's not, is it? Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells. Because they're the most conspicuous, Christians are an easy target. But they are hardly the only ones getting manipulated and punked by any means; You're forgetting the blacks, independents, libertarians, the liberals, the middle class, the poor...who've I left out? That's right - politicians of BOTH parties, bankers, and the Rich. The rest of us are tools. Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't. TRUE. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets. Well, it's old news that Dubya was a puppet; Palin? Nope - She's a wild card. NOT CFR, NO longer GOP, and the #1 Target of Dems and RNC and MSM alike because....she rejects The Machine. That you can't recognize that makes you less than politically savvy. If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing. Well, you gave me hope by climbing a couple of stairs...but with your last remarks you've fallen...on your @ss.
"No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off. " F16 quote.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes, I agree. But it had ZERO to do with "Christians" opening the bomb-bay. That's a blot on our civilization from my standpoint. I say that with much regret, but I cannot say otherwise according to my conscience. Not happy about it either; Our fighting men should NOT be blamed - much less "Christianity." They were used and were all bamboozled and sold the notion that THEY were making America safe from "terrorists." If you want to blame someone or some thing, blame the international Elites of the New World Order. Blame them for the charade that was also the Gulf War, Viet Nam, and the Korean War. I'd just as soon airlift every one of our guys out of both Afghanistan and Iraq tomorrow and drop them on the enemy in DC.
Feel free to use it as your new tagline. And seriously, the 'Satan - Cheney '08' bumper sticker needs updating... Truth in advertising is, 'Satan IS 0bama '09'...The rest of it...meh.
Sad.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" (yawn)
Great points, yet the pods will roll their eyeball into the back of their sockets when asked to consider who the real demonic power is... Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is." Bwaahaa!! Dear Clueless tools and patsies of the NWO: NICE JOB! The scapegoats for control over the world remain either: Zionists OR Christians I think you misunderstood me. See Psalm 2 again, verse 6: "yet have I set my King on my holy Mount Zion. " See the First Virginia Charter again: "...Tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...." See Micah 4 [my computer is running WAY too slowly, and I don't have a Bible handy, so from memory] Micah 4 In the last days the Mountain [government...see Isaiah 9:6-7] of the House of the Lord ["My Son shall build my 'house'"/"know ye not that YE are the 'temple' of God...."] shall be established in the top of the mountains [governments] and people will flow into it. They will say LET US GO UP TO THE HOUSE OF THE LORD AND HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS AND THE LAW SHALL GO FORTH FROM JERUSALEM. [Not the Jerusalem where they crucified Christ and His followers, where they still spit on Christians and the cross, and to this day burn the New Testament and forbid Christians to teach in Christ's name, but the JerUSAlem which was founded with a cross and a charter to spread the gospel. See Psalm 2. The "kings of the earth", "rulers", and "judges" have attempted to kick Christ and His followers out of His kingdom. [Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my King on my holy Mount Zion.] After giving the "canaries in the coal mine" their charter, The City started backtracking on the deal almost immediately, until finally the king, and the so-called " founding fathers" went into cahoots to put the zionists firmly in control of America. [You have to remember that most, if not all of the Presidents in this country are related by blood to the British Monarchy. The British Monarchy claims it is related to King David of the Tribe of Judah, and that they are also descended from Ephraim/Joseph; in THEIR minds, giving them divine right to rule over the rest of the world "on the throne of king David" in ZION. ZIONISM comes out of BRITAIN/CITY OF LONDON]: Cornwallis to George Washington, in the book Legions of Satan: A HOLY WAR will now begin against America. [note: see Psalm 2]. She will think she is free but HER CHURCHES WILL BE USED TO TEACH THE JEWS' RELIGION [note: hence the Jews as the "chosen people" myth and the Old Jerusalem as "Israel" myth, and all the wars fought , according to the Jews religion, by the sword/eye-for-an-eye, as stepping stones to Zionist rule over the whole earth. See scepterofjudah.net , a Jewish perversion of the gospel of Christ], AND SHE WILL BE WORKING TOWARD DIVINE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS THE [Judeo-] BRITISH EMPIRE, OVERSEEN BY THE GRAND ARCHITECT OF [Judeo-] FREEMASONRY. see Jordan Maxwell - The Queen of England Exposed Part 1 A pertinent excerpt from Bible Law vs. Constitutionalism: A Christian Perspective, Chapter 9 [above] [note this is a White Christian Identity site, so at first I was ready to disregard it, until after reading for awhile I realized that, except for the "white as Israel" angle, they were on the right track as far as this country being intended by God as the kingdom Jesus said He would take from the Jews and give to another.] ".....Other Sundry Edicts and Treaties Not only did the framers claim the U.S. Constitution as the supreme law of the land, they also declared all subsequent laws and treaties made under the authority of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. Consequently, the treaty made with the Muslims of Tripoli (officially known as the Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, signed by President John Adams and unanimously ratified by the Fifth Congress on January 3, 1797), including Article 11, became the supreme law of the land: …the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…. Even pro-Constitutionalist David Barton, founder and president of Wallbuilders, admitted that this declaration is factual: …this is not an untrue statement since it is referring to the federal government [as opposed to 18th-century America in general].13 America was founded upon Christian principles and was at one time a predominately Christian nation. But, a distinction must be made between early 17th-century America and the late 18th-century United States of America. Because most Constitutionalists regard it as one uninterrupted, continuous history, they use the two terms interchangeably. However, what occurred in the 1700s was an undeniable departure from 1600 America when, for the most part, she was governed by the laws of Yahweh. (See Chapter 3 for more on this extremely important distinction.) Judges Bound Thereby Clause 2 also dictates that “the judges in every state shall be bound” by such treaties. Consequently, with the Treaty with Tripoli in mind, no judge in his official capacity – former Alabama Judge Roy Moore notwithstanding – can escape a breach of his oath of office if he attempts to promote the Ten Commandments or anything else biblical or Christian. In 2003, Constitutionalists and Christians alike protested the State of Alabama’s right to impeach Judge Moore for erecting in Alabama’s Supreme Court a memorial to the Ten Commandments. In an article entitled “You Might Be a Constitutionalist If…,” 2008 Constitution Party Presidential candidate, Pastor Chuck Baldwin posited: You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government had no authority to tell Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore that he could not display a monument containing the Ten Commandments in the Alabama Judicial Building in Montgomery.14 The truth is you might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government had constitutional authority, provided by Article 6 and the Treaty with Tripoli, to do just that. On the other hand, because we have no treaties declaring the United States is not a Judaic or Islamic nation, it would not be unconstitutional if a judge were to promote the Talmud or the Koran. Accordingly, in a recent dissenting decision, Justice Antonin Scalia (arguably the most “conservative” justice on the Supreme Court) quoted the Talmud: A Talmudic maxim instructs with respect to the Scripture: “Turn it over, and turn it over, for all is therein.” The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Aboth, Ch. V, Mishnah 22 (I. Epstein ed. 1935).15 This should not surprise anyone. Scalia, a student of the Talmud, was one of three Supreme Court Justices who, in 2002, promoted the Washington DC-based Jewish Law Institute: Jewish [Talmudic] legal experts have created a new institute that will educate jurists and others about 2,000 years of Jewish law and promote the application of the teachings to contemporary legal disputes and other modern-day issues. The launch of the Washington-based national Institute for Judaic law was marked Tuesday night with a kosher dinner at the Supreme Court attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices – Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Stephen Breyer, and Antonin Scalia. US President George Bush sent greetings and applauded the institute for promoting an “understanding of Judaism’s rich tradition of legal thought…. Through the study and teaching of Jewish law and philosophy you are contributing to a growing culture of service, citizenship, and responsibility in America,” Bush wrote. Scalia, in a letter to the Institute’s founder, Noson Gurary, wrote that “Jewish law is certainly one of the oldest and most highly developed systems” and explained why the comparative study of legal traditions was beneficial. “The idea is to make Jewish law more accessible to everyone,” said Washington lawyer Alyza Lewin…. Last year, Alyza Lewin filed a brief to the Supreme Court based on the Talmud’s take on capital punishment when the court was readying to hear a case on the constitutionality of the electric chair. “Legal scholars often like to know what other legal traditions have said about certain issues,” said Alyza Lewin. Filing that kind of opinion is only part of the institute’s mandate. It will also promote the teaching of Jewish law, develop curricula on Jewish law that can be integrated into traditional law school courses….16 This center is devoted to Jewish (Talmudic), not Hebraic (Old Testament) law. The traditions of the elders, which Yeshua so adamantly opposed during His earthly ministry (about 2,000 years ago) were codified circa 500 AD into what is now known as the Babylonian Talmud (which is nearly always in direct opposition to Yahweh’s laws). Hebraic law, on the other hand, can be traced back to Moses (and before) to approximately 3,200 years ago. The United Nations Charter Not only does Clause 2 make the Treaty with Tripoli a part of the supreme law of the land, it also makes the Charter of the United Nations the supreme law of the land: The Charter [of the United Nations] has become “the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.17 Anyone promoting the United States Constitution is equally obliged to promote the Treaty with Tripoli’s non-Christian declaration and the United Nations Charter. Treaties Supersede State Concerns In Missouri v. Holland, U.S. Game Warden, 252 U.S. 416 (1920), concerning the Migratory Bird Treaty of 1918 with Great Britain, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Holmes, Jr., noted that the treaties clause of Article 6 makes treaties coequal with the U.S. Constitution itself. In effect, this decision made state concerns secondary to the federal Constitution and also to international treaties. In his decision, Justice Holmes revealed the extent of an international treaty’s power and influence: …it is not enough to refer to the Tenth Amendment, reserving the powers not delegated to the United States, because by Article 2, Section 2, the power to make treaties is delegated expressly, and by Article 6 treaties made under the authority of the United States, along with the Constitution and laws of the United States made in pursuance thereof, are declared the supreme law of the land. If the treaty is valid there can be no dispute about the validity of the statute under Article 1, Section 8, as a necessary and proper means to execute the powers of the government…. Acts of Congress are the supreme law of the land only when made in pursuance of the Constitution, while treaties are declared to be so when made under the authority of the United States…. Valid treaties of course “are as binding within the territorial limits of the States as they are elsewhere throughout the dominion of the United States.” No doubt the great body of private relations usually fall within the control of the State, but a treaty may override its power….18 Infanticide and Sodomy All laws passed by Congress, including those which have legalized infanticide and sodomy are now the supreme law of the land under the United States Constitutional Republic. These laws could never be a part of a government predicated upon Yahweh’s laws. Instead of legalizing these and other abominations, Yahweh’s law condemns infanticide and sodomy19 as capital crimes.20 “Laws” legitimizing infanticide and sodomy are only the tip of the abominable iceberg that Christian Constitutionalists are obligated to honor as the supreme law of the land. ....." According to the Constitution and the Treaty of Tripoli, the government of the United States [aka CorpUSA] are not in any sense based on the Christian religion. At the same time, the government of the United States has declared that the government IS founded on the 7 Noahide Laws, which declare that Christians are idolators and must be executed by beheading, and also that all other religions besides Judaism "must disappear". The Jewish AntiDefamation [of Jews] League has gotten Congress to pass "Hate Laws" that make criminals of Christians. The whole world now operates, not under "law", but under the United Commercial CODE [which is only "color of law"] which has its roots in the Babylonian Talmud. In summary, the Constitution declared that the United States would not be ruled by Christianity, but that there would instead be "freedom of religion". George Washington said they would give "To Bigotry No Sanction, to Persecution No Assistance". . So I ask again, two hundred years later: Who benefits?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
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I was just reading last night that Britain has decreed that swimmers must now wear swimming attire that conforms to the Islamic code of dress. Prince Charles is now the Defender of FaithS, not the Defender of the Faith. [search] The Vatican created Islam [search]. The Catholic Church is an invention of Judaism. [search MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, CATHOLIC OR JEWISH watch.pair.com / "We have had twenty Jewish popes....All the crimes committed in the name of the Catholic church were done under Jewish popes....." search.] When they have finished using them to destroy us, they must be made to "disappear", so that only Judaism is left. "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer" - Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview - antichristconspiracy.com
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
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The entire campaign she spewed McCain talking points. Tarp bailout (that she didn't even comprehend), amnesty, everything, she folded to McCains view. You guys though W was the second coming of Reagan in 2001 too. Irrelevant since Palin was decided to be a commentator not a politician. Its the one move I truly respect her for. She put her family, and state ahead of her. But shes unelectable, but she already was before she quit.
Don't confuse "humored" McStain with "folded to." Look - Palin was chosen to be McStain's VP; It's not great strategy to contradict the opinion of the Presidential candidate, is it? There is NO way she concurred with CFR-McStain on even half the issues; It was clear to me she was holding her nose when praising Johnny-Boy. TARP was barely proposed during the waning weeks of the campaign; Why or how would Palin "understand" it? No one else did; And besides, she was a Governor suddenly thrust forward as a VP candidate who was rather distracted with boning up on the debate and national and international issues, wasn't she? Irrelevant since Palin was decided to be a commentator not a politician. Its the one move I truly respect her for. She put her family, and state ahead of her. But shes unelectable, but she already was before she quit. Very savvy move by Palin; She was pinned down on the low-ground by the Dems and media, unable to move, but got up, took an obscure hill, and now lets loose on her terms. 0bamaCare took a hit from her, didn't it? It's a Win-Win-Win for her...Yet she still wields this tremendous influence within the political arena without the baggage of an "office." You guys though W was the second coming of Reagan in 2001 too. Lol - who's "you guys"? Shes unelectable, but she already was before she quit. Then why have the Elites, Dems, RNC, and MSM been obsessed about her? She's the elephant in the room.
The Elites, as usual. The Scapegoats of the World remain: Christians Jews
The Scapegoats of the World remain: Christians Jews Okay, this time you said Jews and not Zionists. Zionists, IMO, are not scapegoats. They are the instigators. Some Jews are fine people [some, like those who kill and maim in "Israel" are not]. But yes, I agree the Jews have been made scapegoats and victims BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE. Christians have been made scapegoats and victims and dupes as well. Ditto for the Muslims who were not give the oracles, nor the gospel as the Jews were. I was reminded the other day of something Jesus said, "those who are not against us are for us; those who give a cup of water to one of mine will not lose their reward" [or something like that]. You'll find those kinds of people among both Jews and Muslims and maybe that's where we should be building bridges and not burning them.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
There was nothing to fold. She's a blank slate, a white canvas, and marionette awaiting a player. Of course people understood it. I understood, and I bet you did too. Sarah Palin is not a smart woman, and I doubt she is even of average intelligence.
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#55. To: randge (#48)
That's a serious challenge, and it deserves a serious answer.
#56. To: robnoel (#47)
Go back to FreeRepublic your kind of people
#57. To: F16Fighter (#56)
#58. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Rhino369, A K A Stone, robnoel (#50)
The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. Who benefits?
#59. To: robnoel (#57)
you Neo-Conservatives/Christian Zionists nut jobs
#60. To: DeaconBenjamin, Rhino369 (#54)
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#61. To: F16Fighter (#59)
#62. To: F16Fighter (#30)
No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off.
#63. To: Dakmar (#61)
Alan Sherman? Lawdie!
#64. To: F16Fighter (#63)
#65. To: F16Fighter (#55)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#66. To: tom007 (#62)
#67. To: Dakmar (#64)
Who did "Coming to take me away" then?
#68. To: F16Fighter (#67)
(Edited)
#69. To: DeaconBenjamin (#52)
You don't believe this happens?
#70. To: DeaconBenjamin (#53)
#71. To: DeaconBenjamin (#54)
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution?
#72. To: F16Fighter (#58)
Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."
#73. To: F16Fighter (#60)
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#74. To: Rhino369 (#69)
Suing a charter school run by a mosque is a little different from suing a teacher for saying God is dead, or fictional. Nevertheless, I had not heard of this suit before, and appreciate your bringing it to my attention.
#75. To: Rhino369 (#70)
I believe those law suits are being settled as we speak
#76. To: Rhino369 (#71)
The first amendment is modeled after "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom," in Virginia, 1786, written by Thomas Jefferson.
#77. To: randge (#65)
I don't think that the forces used by Christian kings over the centuries were morally superior to the Muslims, nor do I believe that the Muslims were any better men than their Christian counterparts.
#78. To: DeaconBenjamin (#76)
#79. To: F16Fighter (#77)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#80. To: Rhino369 (#72)
America is definitely not run by Christians.
#81. To: F16Fighter (#77)
#82. To: randge (#79)
It's late, and I have to get up early, so all I'll say is this: We dropped a lot of "ordnance" over there on folks that didn't deserve it, for reasons that escape me.
#83. To: tom007 (#81)
F16 quote.
#84. To: F16Fighter (#83)
#85. To: tom007 (#84)
#86. To: F16Fighter (#58)
The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. Who benefits?
Treaty with Tripoli, of Barbary, Article 11
#87. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
#88. To: Eric Stratton (#87)
But if the school had decided to expand its "diversity program" by forcing all women to wear Islamic garb on graduation day it would have been applauded.
#89. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#88)
#90. To: F16Fighter (#80)
Well, it's old news that Dubya was a puppet; Palin? Nope - She's a wild card. NOT CFR, NO longer GOP, and the #1 Target of Dems and RNC and MSM alike because....she rejects The Machine. That you can't recognize that makes you less than politically savvy.
#91. To: Rhino369 (#90)
The entire campaign she spewed McCain talking points. Tarp bailout (that she didn't even comprehend), amnesty, everything, she folded to McCains view.
#92. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#86)
So I ask again, two hundred years later: Who benefits?
#93. To: F16Fighter (#92)
#94. To: F16Fighter (#91)
Don't confuse "humored" McStain with "folded to."
TARP was barely proposed during the waning weeks of the campaign; Why or how would Palin "understand" it? No one else did;
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