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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-pra
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com
Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
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Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer.

There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union.

"I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials.

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years.

"The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' "

The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school.

In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events.

Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious.

"She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said. Subscribe to *libertarians*

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#50. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years.

"....the U.S. Constitution was from its inception an apostate covenant, which broke the pre-existing colonial covenants with God....."

http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/

The Avalon Project : The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 Full text HTML document of original Virginia Constitution.

"...Tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...."

avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/va01.asp

The enduring legacy of the First Landing http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=41327

Psalm 2 - The Reign of the LORD's Anointed

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us :

bible.cc/psalms/2-2.htm

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. [ www.missiontoisrael.org/b...constitutionalism-pt9.php ]. Who benefits?

George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews ... Sep 15, 2004 ... Oldest US synagogue holds a public reading of a 1790 letter spelling out religious freedoms. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-08-17   19:26:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Rhino369, A K A Stone, robnoel (#50)

The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. Who benefits?

Great points, yet the pods will roll their eyeball into the back of their sockets when asked to consider who the real demonic power is...

Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."

Bwaahaa!! Dear Clueless tools and patsies of the NWO: NICE JOB!

The scapegoats for control over the world remain either:

Zionists

OR

Christians

*snicker*

Liberator  posted on  2009-08-17   20:45:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: F16Fighter (#58)

Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."

America is definitely not run by Christians. Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells.

Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't.

Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets.

If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-17   22:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Rhino369 (#72)

America is definitely not run by Christians.

No, it's not, is it?

Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells.

Because they're the most conspicuous, Christians are an easy target. But they are hardly the only ones getting manipulated and punked by any means; You're forgetting the blacks, independents, libertarians, the liberals, the middle class, the poor...who've I left out? That's right - politicians of BOTH parties, bankers, and the Rich. The rest of us are tools.

Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't.

TRUE. Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets.

Well, it's old news that Dubya was a puppet; Palin? Nope - She's a wild card. NOT CFR, NO longer GOP, and the #1 Target of Dems and RNC and MSM alike because....she rejects The Machine. That you can't recognize that makes you less than politically savvy.

If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing.

Well, you gave me hope by climbing a couple of stairs...but with your last remarks you've fallen...on your @ss.

Liberator  posted on  2009-08-17   23:28:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: F16Fighter (#80)

Well, it's old news that Dubya was a puppet; Palin? Nope - She's a wild card. NOT CFR, NO longer GOP, and the #1 Target of Dems and RNC and MSM alike because....she rejects The Machine. That you can't recognize that makes you less than politically savvy.

The entire campaign she spewed McCain talking points. Tarp bailout (that she didn't even comprehend), amnesty, everything, she folded to McCains view.

You guys though W was the second coming of Reagan in 2001 too. Irrelevant since Palin was decided to be a commentator not a politician. Its the one move I truly respect her for. She put her family, and state ahead of her. But shes unelectable, but she already was before she quit.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-18   9:44:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#91. To: Rhino369 (#90)

The entire campaign she spewed McCain talking points. Tarp bailout (that she didn't even comprehend), amnesty, everything, she folded to McCains view.

Don't confuse "humored" McStain with "folded to."

Look - Palin was chosen to be McStain's VP; It's not great strategy to contradict the opinion of the Presidential candidate, is it? There is NO way she concurred with CFR-McStain on even half the issues; It was clear to me she was holding her nose when praising Johnny-Boy.

TARP was barely proposed during the waning weeks of the campaign; Why or how would Palin "understand" it? No one else did; And besides, she was a Governor suddenly thrust forward as a VP candidate who was rather distracted with boning up on the debate and national and international issues, wasn't she?

Irrelevant since Palin was decided to be a commentator not a politician. Its the one move I truly respect her for. She put her family, and state ahead of her. But shes unelectable, but she already was before she quit.

Very savvy move by Palin; She was pinned down on the low-ground by the Dems and media, unable to move, but got up, took an obscure hill, and now lets loose on her terms. 0bamaCare took a hit from her, didn't it?

It's a Win-Win-Win for her...Yet she still wields this tremendous influence within the political arena without the baggage of an "office."

You guys though W was the second coming of Reagan in 2001 too.

Lol - who's "you guys"?

Shes unelectable, but she already was before she quit.

Then why have the Elites, Dems, RNC, and MSM been obsessed about her? She's the elephant in the room.

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