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Title: School prayer charges stir protests
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Published: Aug 17, 2009
Author: Julia Duin
Post Date: 2009-08-17 13:09:22 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: aclu, florida, prayer, jackbooted thugs
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Students, teachers and local pastors are protesting over a court case involving a northern Florida school principal and an athletic director who are facing criminal charges and up to six months in jail over their offer of a mealtime prayer. There have been yard signs, T-shirts and a mass student protest during graduation ceremonies this spring on behalf of Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and school athletic director Robert Freeman, who will go on trial Sept. 17 at a federal district court in Pensacola for breaching the conditions of a lawsuit settlement reached last year with the American Civil Liberties Union. "I have been defending religious freedom issues for 22 years, and I've never had to defend somebody who has been charged criminally for praying," said Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, the Orlando-based legal group that is defending the two school officials. An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years. "The defendants all admitted wrongdoing," said Daniel Mach, director of litigation for its freedom of religion program. "For example, the Pace High School teachers handbook asks teachers to 'embrace every opportunity to inculcate, by precept and example, the practice of every Christian virtue.' " The fight involving the ACLU, the school district and several devout Christian employees began last August when the ACLU sued Santa Rosa County Schools on behalf of two students who had complained privately to the group's Florida affiliate, claiming some teachers and administrators were allowing prayers at school events such as graduations, orchestrating separate religiously themed graduation services, and "proselytizing" students during class and after school. In January, the Santa Rosa County School District settled out of court with the ACLU, agreeing to several things, including a provision to bar all school employees from promoting or sponsoring prayers during school-sponsored events; holding school events at church venues when a secular alternative was available; or promoting their religious beliefs or attempting to convert students in class or during school-sponsored events. Mr. Staver said the district also agreed to forbid senior class President Mary Allen from speaking at the school's May 30 graduation ceremony on the chance that the young woman, a known Christian, might say something religious. "She was the first student body president in 33 years not allowed to speak," he said.
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#46. To: robnoel (#43)
Are you a cartoon character or do you just play one at 4um? Sheeeeet, what a frickin' joke.
Go back to FreeRepublic your kind of people
Waaaay to generalized a claim to be taken seriously, randge. That's a serious challenge, and it deserves a serious answer. The Muslims have posed no military challenge to Christian forces since Polish armies ran the Turks out of Austria in 1683. Since that time Christian forces were on the ascendancy everywhere as European nations extended influence and empire across the globe. I will admit that while victories in the field are not solely dependent upon inflicting the preponderance of casualties on a foe, they are commonly the result of it. It would be quite a labor to tote up all the casualties suffered on both sides of all conficts waged between Mulims and Chirstians. But one could safely say that Christian armies have not been besting Muslim armies for the last 400 years for want of killing them. So your beef with Christians is that when they join the US Armed Forces,that they follow orders? This is the charge of course that I have heard traditionally laid at the feet of the nazis. Yeah, lots of guys signed up for what I consider misbegotten reasons. They invaded a country that had not attacked their nation in any wise. They did this irrespective of religion on the whole, I believe. They did it in response to what rulers have traditionally used to raise armies - propaganda. Some of course did it for the job and some for the adventure. I think that, as a result, lots of Iraqis - and Americans - have died for nothing. Don't non-Christians follow those same orders? Yes, they do, and fools they are.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I know a Filipina who loves country music and plays her guitar and sings songs.
An ACLU official said the school district has allowed "flagrant" violations of the First Amendment for years. "....the U.S. Constitution was from its inception an apostate covenant, which broke the pre-existing colonial covenants with God....." http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/ The Avalon Project : The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 Full text HTML document of original Virginia Constitution. "...Tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...." avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/va01.asp The enduring legacy of the First Landing http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=41327 Psalm 2 - The Reign of the LORD's Anointed 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us : IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. [ www.missiontoisrael.org/b...constitutionalism-pt9.php ]. Who benefits? George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews ... Sep 15, 2004 ... Oldest US synagogue holds a public reading of a 1790 letter spelling out religious freedoms. http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
LOL!
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
You don't believe this happens? You believe the teacher would be sued? By the ACLU?
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Great. Show me where the Second Amendment has been applied to the states. I can't wait.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention?
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Let's recap. You're the one who just claimed, "[Christians'] governments order them [Christians] off to drop all kinds of high powered ordnance on the heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike." REALLY? In the name of who?? Or what?? Don't tell me you mean to say bombs and "ordnance" are dropped on humanity "in the name of Jesus Christ"? The Muslims have posed no military challenge to Christian forces since Polish armies ran the Turks out of Austria in 1683. Since that time Christian forces were on the ascendancy everywhere as European nations extended influence and empire across the globe. Firstly, there have been no such "Christian forces" fighting anyone anywhere since 1683 - only sovereign nations and tribes battling offensively or defensively in the name of their respective Kingdom over existing territory and resources or their own empire. AS HAD BEEN THE CASE SINCE DAY ONE. Secondly, the post-1683 Ottoman Empire and its Muslim surrogates have NEVER stopped through pushing around the infidels were left within its Empire or sphere of influence, or whatever territory their Muslim brethren infest till this day. It would be quite a labor to tote up all the casualties suffered on both sides of all conficts waged between Mulims and Chirstians. But one could safely say that Christian armies have not been besting Muslim armies for the last 400 years for want of killing them. Attributed to the mercy of Christendom and their ethics if anything. This (following orders) is the charge of course that I have heard traditionally laid at the feet of the nazis. Yeah, lots of guys signed up for what I consider misbegotten reasons. They invaded a country that had not attacked their nation in any wise. They did this irrespective of religion on the whole, I believe. They did it in response to what rulers have traditionally used to raise armies - propaganda. Some of course did it for the job and some for the adventure. I think that, as a result, lots of Iraqis - and Americans - have died for nothing. Let's NOT get crazy and compare Nazis "following orders" to "Americans following orders," ok? Geez... While I don't approve of the invasion and occupation and "Nation Building" of Iraq at all, ALL of America was victimized by the propagandist reasons of being there in the first place; But while American forces were there, they have happened to have rebuilt a substantial part of Iraq's infrastructure, imparted a benevolence, and have helped establish "Democratic" form government and establishing civil rights. American Forces have performed brilliantly and without a brutality. Was it all worth it? Of course not. Bottom line? YOU singularly blamed and held American "Christians" accountable as a "Christian" force who was responsible for "dropping ordnance" squarely on the "heads of friends, foes and neutrals alike." Your charge is nothing but fallacious bullsh*t which indiscriminately slandered good, patriotic Christian fighting American men and women who believe they are defending America. I HOPE you're better than that.
You mean non-cartoon kinda people? But let not your heart be troubled - I have no intention of swallowing your kind of Koolade and responding to the ravings of a lunatic.
In case you still do not get it most here have little time for you Neo-Conservatives/Christian Zionists nut jobs and will point out how out of touch you all are....so deal with it dip shit!
Great points, yet the pods will roll their eyeball into the back of their sockets when asked to consider who the real demonic power is... Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is." Bwaahaa!! Dear Clueless tools and patsies of the NWO: NICE JOB! The scapegoats for control over the world remain either: Zionists OR Christians *snicker*
ROFL ...how out of touch you all are....so deal with it dip shit!
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention? Ooops.
Alan Sherman? Lawdie!
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. you have defined yourself with that post.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" That was '"Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh' wasn't it?
Think you're right. Who did "Coming to take me away" then?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I don't think that the forces used by Christian kings over the centuries were morally superior to the Muslims, nor do I believe that the Muslims were any better men than their Christian counterparts. Religion was used as a whip hand on both sides. I am carry a big torch for Western civilization though. We should not let our world be subsumed by theirs. There would, ordinarily, be no fear of that, but our rulers insist on getting us involved in quarrels over there that are nor in our interest, and who is it that imports all those folks over here? They come here in numbers in direct proportion to the amount of mayhem that we are stirring up on that side of the world. And don't kid yourself about what we've built in Iraq. Life is still a piece of s**t over there and, materially anyway, they still have a ways to go to get back to prewar standards in many respects. I've talked to men who were there not long ago, and large parts of Baghdad are still short of electricity for significant portions of the day. What we did in Iraq wasn't particularly "Christian" in my humble opinion.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Uummmm...yeah. Btw Mr. USA = Unibomber, please let us all know when your "Satan / Cheney in "08" bumper sticker changes to, "Satan / 0bama - Is The World Healing Yet"? Thanks.
Napoleon MMMCCDXXVIII or something like that.
Silly adherents! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. You believe the teacher would be sued? By the ACLU? http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/01/aclu_sues_over_muslim_charter.php They sued to close a Muslim preaching school. I bet they'd sue to stop atheists too.
Great. Show me where the Second Amendment has been applied to the states. I can't wait. I believe those law suits are being settled as we speak after the SC ruled the 2A is an individual right.
Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention? Yes of course it is. The first amendment is modeled after "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom," in Virginia, 1786, written by Thomas Jefferson. This is some basic American History 101 stuff. The Virgina Constitution was very influential in creating the US Constitution.
America is definitely not run by Christians. Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells. Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't. Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets. If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing.
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution? Or are you saying that Jefferson participated in the Constitutional convention? Ooops. Oops for you. go to post 71, its you two who are ignorant about basic US history.
Federal judge leaves most of ACLU's suit against Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy intact July 22, 2009 A judge ruled Tuesday that he will not dismiss a lawsuit alleging that Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TiZA) illegally promotes religion, but he has thrown out claims brought against the Minnesota Department of Education in the same dispute. The American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota sued the Inver Grove Heights charter school in January, claiming that the public school is endorsing Islam in violation of the U.S. Constitution. In a written statement on Tuesday, TiZA attorney Erick Kaardal pointed out that the judge dismissed one of three claims brought by the ACLU against the K-8 school, where most students are Somali. He said school officials remain confident that TiZA is not promoting religion in violation of the First Amendment. The ACLU also named the Education Department and its commissioner, Alice Seagren, as defendants, arguing that the state failed to stop the alleged violations. In an opinion issued Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Donovan Frank rejected many of the school's arguments for dismissing the case, but dismissed all claims against the Education Department and two of three against Seagren. The Education Department had argued that the Constitution protects the state from being sued in federal court, and the ACLU conceded the point in this case, said ACLU legal counsel Teresa Nelson.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
You don't believe that the states and municipalities are fighting the application of the Second Amendment to them? I trust you also understand that as regards Keller, DC, as a federal enclave, does not implicate the 14th amendment.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
This is some basic American History 101 stuff. Silly me, I thought it was based upon George Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights. In fact, I think it was the Commonwealth of Virginia that first instructed me accordingly. THE VIRGINIA DECLARATION OF RIGHTS 1 SECTION I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. SEC. 2. That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants and at all times amenable to them. SEC. 3. That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal. SEC. 4. That no man, or set of men, are entitled to exclusive or separate emoluments or privileges from the community, but in consideration of public services; which, not being descendible, neither ought the offices of magistrate, legislator, or judge to be hereditary. SEC. 5. That the legislative and executive powers of the state should be separate and distinct from the judiciary; and that the members of the two first may be restrained from oppression, by feeling and participating the burdens of the people, they should, at fixed periods, be reduced to a private station, return into that body from which they were originally taken, and the vacancies be supplied by frequent, certain, and regular elections, in which all, or any part, of the former members, to be again eligible, or ineligible, as the laws shall direct. SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assented for the public good. SEC. 7. That all power of suspending laws, or the execution of laws, by any authority, without consent of the representatives of the people, is injurious to their rights and ought not to be exercised. SEC. 8. That in all capital or criminal prosecutions a man hath a right to demand the cause and nature of his accusation, to be confronted with the accusers and witnesses, to call for evidence in his favor, and to a speedy trial by an impartial jury of twelve men of his vicinage, without whose unanimous consent he cannot be found guilty; nor can he be compelled to give evidence against himself; that no man be deprived of his liberty, except by the law of the land or the judgment of his peers. SEC. 9. That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. [How does the 8th amendment read?] SEC. 10. That general warrants, whereby an officer or messenger may be commanded to search suspected places without evidence of a fact committed, or to seize any person or persons not named, or whose offense is not particularly described and supported by evidence, are grievous and oppressive and ought not to be granted. SEC. 11. That in controversies respecting property, and in suits between man and man, the ancient trial by jury is preferable to any other and ought to be held sacred. SEC. 12. That the freedom of the press is one of the great bulwarks of liberty and can never be restrained but by despotic governments. SEC. 13. That a well-regulated militia, or composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. SEC. 14. That the people have a right to uniform government; and, therefore, that no government separate from or independent of the government of Virginia ought to be erected or established within the limits thereof. SEC. 15. That no free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue, and by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles. SEC. 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
Religion was used as a whip hand on both sides. I agree with your characterization that religion as been used and manipulated as a whip by both Christianity and Islam, but it's been hundreds of years since "Christianity" has fought a "Holy War" ; On the other hand, Islam is still fighting for Allah. I also I beg to differ on drawing any moral equivalence between Christianity - which has contributed mightily to civilization, and Islam, which contributed relatively little. I am carry a big torch for Western civilization though. We should not let our world be subsumed by theirs. Ordinarily, be no fear of that, but our rulers insist on getting us involved in quarrels over there that are nor in our interest, and who is it that imports all those folks over here? They come here in numbers in direct proportion to the amount of mayhem that we are stirring up on that side of the world. That torch can't be too big; Coulda fooled me. And is our world really consumed by Islam's? The only reason the Middle East is an issue at all is a matter of oil. And because it is a tactical political chess game for the NWO Elites - which includes the Saudis of whom Dubya was beholden, as well as 0bama. Yes, Islam is perpetually at war with the infidel. How better to distract the West from other things - like stealing wealth from the middle class? Other than that they are inconsequential. The West - and specifically the US - should have nothing to do with them either in their world, and especially within our world - We have absolutely nothing in common. But "we" aren't calling many of the shots there days, are we? As a poison, and a death a cult it appears clear that the NWO Elites have implanted Muslim immigration (and all illegals) as the disease and offering Gubmint's Homeland Security as "the cure"...which leads me to the "convenience" of 9/11 and the Invasion of both Afghanistan and Iraq. Don't kid yourself about what we've built in Iraq. Life is still a piece of s**t over there and, materially anyway, they still have a ways to go to get back to prewar standards in many respects. I've talked to men who were there not long ago, and large parts of Baghdad are still short of electricity for significant portions of the day. I have no such delusions of grandeur about how much of Iraq has or has NOT been rebuilt with hundreds of billions of siphoned out of the US taxpayer dollars. Iraq was a Third World hellhole before we got there in many respects (except for the modernity of Baghdad) and it'll remain a chaotic mess. It's nothing but a d@mn stage-prop in any case. What we did in Iraq wasn't particularly "Christian" in my humble opinion. Nor was the operation inflicted "in the name of Christ" - despite rumors floated of Dubya Bush's supposed so-called "mission from God." That notion did net a nice catch. How can you be blind from the elephant in the room? America....White-Euros....and "Christianity" have become the World's scapegoat. Do the math. Nonetheless it was disappointing that you chose unnecessarily and unfairly to impugn the reputation of Christian American patriots. Dropping "ordnance" is after all strictly a 20th/21st century phenomenon.
Well done.
It's late, and I have to get up early, so all I'll say is this: We dropped a lot of "ordnance" over there on folks that didn't deserve it, for reasons that escape me. That's a blot on our civilization from my standpoint. I say that with much regret, but I cannot say otherwise according to my conscience. Perhaps we'll continue this another time.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. No, it's not, is it? Christians are easily exploited simpletons. People like Karl Rove, a non christian, manipulate you easily with votes on Gay marriage and stem cells. Because they're the most conspicuous, Christians are an easy target. But they are hardly the only ones getting manipulated and punked by any means; You're forgetting the blacks, independents, libertarians, the liberals, the middle class, the poor...who've I left out? That's right - politicians of BOTH parties, bankers, and the Rich. The rest of us are tools. Republicans and Democrats pretend to be Christian but most aren't. TRUE. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Though some actually are, they are usually the dumber ones. Like Palin, and Bush. But we all know they are puppets. Well, it's old news that Dubya was a puppet; Palin? Nope - She's a wild card. NOT CFR, NO longer GOP, and the #1 Target of Dems and RNC and MSM alike because....she rejects The Machine. That you can't recognize that makes you less than politically savvy. If Christians don't want to be compared to Islam, they shouldn't act like Muslims, like Christians on this thread are doing. Well, you gave me hope by climbing a couple of stairs...but with your last remarks you've fallen...on your @ss.
"No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off. " F16 quote.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes, I agree. But it had ZERO to do with "Christians" opening the bomb-bay. That's a blot on our civilization from my standpoint. I say that with much regret, but I cannot say otherwise according to my conscience. Not happy about it either; Our fighting men should NOT be blamed - much less "Christianity." They were used and were all bamboozled and sold the notion that THEY were making America safe from "terrorists." If you want to blame someone or some thing, blame the international Elites of the New World Order. Blame them for the charade that was also the Gulf War, Viet Nam, and the Korean War. I'd just as soon airlift every one of our guys out of both Afghanistan and Iraq tomorrow and drop them on the enemy in DC.
Feel free to use it as your new tagline. And seriously, the 'Satan - Cheney '08' bumper sticker needs updating... Truth in advertising is, 'Satan IS 0bama '09'...The rest of it...meh.
Sad.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" (yawn)
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#47. To: F16Fighter (#46)
#48. To: F16Fighter (#40)
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www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#49. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#4)
My new Pakistani Muslim acquaintance, whose daughter attends the same school as mine, rather likes bluegrass music
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#50. To: freepatriot32 (#0)
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
#51. To: Rhino369 (#8)
The same would go for a principal preaching Islam or preaching against religion.
#52. To: Rhino369 (#18)
Consider an atheist getting up in front of a class and telling your kid, that god is fiction. Do you not think that violates your kids religious freedom?
#53. To: Rhino369 (#19)
You should read up about the 14th amendment and subsequent case law. States now have to follow the bill of rights as well.
#54. To: Rhino369 (#20)
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#55. To: randge (#48)
That's a serious challenge, and it deserves a serious answer.
#56. To: robnoel (#47)
Go back to FreeRepublic your kind of people
#57. To: F16Fighter (#56)
#58. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Rhino369, A K A Stone, robnoel (#50)
The Constitution did away with the Christian Test Oath. It made the Constitution and not the Bible the Supreme Law of the Land. It made treaties, such as treaties with the anti-Christ U.N., Supreme over and above the States and the People. Who benefits?
#59. To: robnoel (#57)
you Neo-Conservatives/Christian Zionists nut jobs
#60. To: DeaconBenjamin, Rhino369 (#54)
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#61. To: F16Fighter (#59)
#62. To: F16Fighter (#30)
No, that must be the sore on you lip...and your penis falling off.
#63. To: Dakmar (#61)
Alan Sherman? Lawdie!
#64. To: F16Fighter (#63)
#65. To: F16Fighter (#55)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#66. To: tom007 (#62)
#67. To: Dakmar (#64)
Who did "Coming to take me away" then?
#68. To: F16Fighter (#67)
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#69. To: DeaconBenjamin (#52)
You don't believe this happens?
#70. To: DeaconBenjamin (#53)
#71. To: DeaconBenjamin (#54)
Do you mean it's not in the Constitution?
#72. To: F16Fighter (#58)
Yet these I-D-I-O-T-S will STILL insist that America is run by a bunch of Christian and Evangelicals who are practically "converting by the sword" the world, citing Dubya Bush as "proof," and at the same time claiming "[Christianity] is the religion of peace, in the same way islam is."
#73. To: F16Fighter (#60)
His signature is from Thomas Jefferson, the man who invented the Separation of Church and State
#74. To: Rhino369 (#69)
Suing a charter school run by a mosque is a little different from suing a teacher for saying God is dead, or fictional. Nevertheless, I had not heard of this suit before, and appreciate your bringing it to my attention.
#75. To: Rhino369 (#70)
I believe those law suits are being settled as we speak
#76. To: Rhino369 (#71)
The first amendment is modeled after "An Act for Establishing Religious Freedom," in Virginia, 1786, written by Thomas Jefferson.
#77. To: randge (#65)
I don't think that the forces used by Christian kings over the centuries were morally superior to the Muslims, nor do I believe that the Muslims were any better men than their Christian counterparts.
#78. To: DeaconBenjamin (#76)
#79. To: F16Fighter (#77)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#80. To: Rhino369 (#72)
America is definitely not run by Christians.
#81. To: F16Fighter (#77)
#82. To: randge (#79)
It's late, and I have to get up early, so all I'll say is this: We dropped a lot of "ordnance" over there on folks that didn't deserve it, for reasons that escape me.
#83. To: tom007 (#81)
F16 quote.
#84. To: F16Fighter (#83)
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