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Title: Rep. Gingrey (R-GA) Encourages Guns at Town Halls [VIDEO]
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQjFMt8mUv8
Published: Aug 18, 2009
Author: YouTube
Post Date: 2009-08-18 08:02:37 by Mind_Virus
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#1. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

This guy is a fool. You can bet that the gun-grabbers are waiting with bated breath for some idiot to pull a gun out and start shooting so they can start screaming about gun control again.

I wouldn't doubt for a minute that they are even looking for some Dim mental cases to send to the meetings to stir up trouble in the hope he will get shot. Preferably a black or brown union member or members that attack protesters.

Yes,you DO have a right to carry a gun at a political rally. That doesn't mean it is an appropriate place to carry one because of the implied intimidation factor,just like the union goons with nightsticks. They don't have to actually beat on somebody with the nightsticks in order to suppress political speech or actions.

I carry a gun everywhere I go,but I wouldn't carry one to a political rally.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-18   8:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-18   8:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm of the same mind...after a fashion. If everybody is showing up and just talking/yelling, yeah, keep the heater at home. If union thugs show up with axe handles and big leers (and applied beatings to old men/women), then pack. But only after they initiate the intimidation tactics.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-18   8:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm of the same mind...after a fashion. If everybody is showing up and just talking/yelling, yeah, keep the heater at home. If union thugs show up with axe handles and big leers (and applied beatings to old men/women), then pack. But only after they initiate the intimidation tactics.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Your comment seems to suggest that the old saying is true.

Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-18   9:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, my thoughts run along this line. Town halls, in the way most of us "protesters" are approaching them, are local events. We all generally live in the area. The imported union thugs, on the other hand, don't. So they'll show up ahead of time and get off the buses and get their axe handles out (or we'll see 400 pound guys disembarking, with black leather boots on). We'll see, go home and get heat, return with little real effort.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-18   9:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, my thoughts run along this line. Town halls, in the way most of us "protesters" are approaching them, are local events. We all generally live in the area. The imported union thugs, on the other hand, don't. So they'll show up ahead of time and get off the buses and get their axe handles out (or we'll see 400 pound guys disembarking, with black leather boots on). We'll see, go home and get heat, return with little real effort.

Ahhhh, my friend this is where it gets fuzzy. According to janet napalitano and most of the leos in this country. Once you leave and return it is not considered self defense. Catch 22 anyone.

Either way, if I attend one of these and are confronted by what you've described; I will defend myself and others whether armed or not.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-18   9:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The purpose isn't self defense from an unexpected. The purpose is to "hit back twice as hard", like they were directed. If they want to intimidate, then we can show them what the risks are in doing so.

Yes, it is in fact raising the stakes in this weird standoff we find ourselves in. Given the rogue behavior of the government the last, what, 15 years or so, it's a long time in the coming. The Ohio town halls, where I live anyway, have been more or less non-thug so far. Which is good.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-18   9:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Rep. Gingrey (R-GA) Encourages Guns at Town Halls [VIDEO]

Cool. Celebrate both your 1st amendment right and 2nd amendment right at the same time.

All of a sudden dissent is no longer patriotic.

4 givan 1  posted on  2009-08-18   9:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

These people aren't carry guns for protection but as a vague threat. What they are doing is legal, but politically and ethically its disgusting.

And as soon as one nutjob gets to much in a frenzy and does something stupid, it will to unimaginable harm to gun rights in this country, especially concealed carry rights.

This will just let the media smear gun owners as hicks, and extremists. So when the next conservative terrorist pops up we all get lumped in.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-18   9:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The purpose isn't self defense from an unexpected. The purpose is to "hit back twice as hard", like they were directed. If they want to intimidate, then we can show them what the risks are in doing so.

Yes, it is in fact raising the stakes in this weird standoff we find ourselves in. Given the rogue behavior of the government the last, what, 15 years or so, it's a long time in the coming. The Ohio town halls, where I live anyway, have been more or less non-thug so far. Which is good.

Well, that does take it up a notch so to speak.

I agree with the latter of your comment about gov. behavior but, in my opinion the rogue behavior has been going on about 30 years. Small steps.

Good for you in the non thug department! That is the way it should be whether we agree or not. In many ways this is just a repeat of history.

I would do my best to avoid confrontation but will not run.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-18   9:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the union thugs, under the direction of the government, showed up first with their beatings and intimidation.

Maybe we should try, I dunno, casting disparaging words at them. I can't say I've heard anybody outside of a few people in this and other sites say a peep about those folks.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-18   10:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

These people aren't carry guns for protection but as a vague threat. What they are doing is legal, but politically and ethically its disgusting.

And as soon as one nutjob gets to much in a frenzy and does something stupid, it will to unimaginable harm to gun rights in this country, especially concealed carry rights.

This will just let the media smear gun owners as hicks, and extremists. So when the next conservative terrorist pops up we all get lumped in.

Perhaps. As I see it he was outside. Nowhere near the pres. I could absolutely agree with him being disarmed had he wished to enter the event.

He should willingly turn it over upon entrance and they should willingly return it when he leaves.

I was taught this is a Free Country! You don't use force on people unless they try to force you to do something you do not wish to, then you strike with all you have.

The only thing keeping the second alive is the people who exercise it. They have killed and bastardized the Constitution in every way possible and intend on doing so to the second no matter what happens. Will you give them yours?

So just what do you think the Founders gave us the second for? Hunting? Target practice? It's ok for a goon to search me for a traffic stop, attempting to find anything to make me a criminal because, if I'm not guilty of anything I should not worry, correct? Well if the politicians were doing what they should be instead of what they do they should not worry, Correct?

I'll stick to my statement it is better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. And besides I'd rather see open carry and know who is carrying instead of guessing.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-18   10:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll stick to my statement it is better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. And besides I'd rather see open carry and know who is carrying instead of guessing.

I'd like to see that as well, nation wide. Concealed carry doesn't bother me either, though the whole licensing thing that goes along with it in most states does.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-18   10:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd like to see that as well, nation wide. Concealed carry doesn't bother me either, though the whole licensing thing that goes along with it in most states does.

AAAAAmen!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-18   10:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So just what do you think the Founders gave us the second for? Hunting? Target practice?

For defense. Against nature, natives, invaders and tyrants. But notice Jefferson, and Franklin weren't carrying loaded weapons during civil debates. Bringing weapons to an argument is an implicit threat. It is being irresponsible and thug like.

If a bunch of armed liberals showed up at the tea parties, you wouldn't feel threatened? Of course you would. Many here would call it what it rightful would be, intimidation.

I'll stick to my statement it is better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

Carry it concealed then.

Americans never have had to go to a rally armed. And starting that precedent lowers the standards of rhetoric even further than they've already fallen.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-18   11:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't go to a political rally.

You do have a point,there. I get so pissed off sometimes that I'm not sure I need to go to one,either.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-18   17:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

That's true,but in MY opinion it's better to have it concealed. That way nobody can make the claim you were instigating trouble,yet you have it if you really need it.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-08-18   17:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This guy is a fool. You can bet that the gun-grabbers are waiting with bated breath for some idiot to pull a gun out and start shooting so they can start screaming about gun control again.

You don't take into account the return fire.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-08-18   17:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, it is in fact raising the stakes in this weird standoff we find ourselves in. Given the rogue behavior of the government the last, what, 15 years or so, it's a long time in the coming. The Ohio town halls, where I live anyway, have been more or less non-thug so far. Which is good.

To me, it would be most instructive to our rulers, if every gun owner showed up at all these meetings, rallies, tea-parties, whatever - with as much of their gear that is feasible to carry.

Don't bring wheel-barrows, or wagons, just your carry stuff.

Maybe they would get a clue.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-08-18   17:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the union thugs, under the direction of the government, showed up first with their beatings and intimidation.

Maybe we should try, I dunno, casting disparaging words at them. I can't say I've heard anybody outside of a few people in this and other sites say a peep about those folks.

These days it may not be so unreasonable that everyone so inclined should be armed as if it's a Mexican wedding.

We're rapidly approaching a reality where people who attend rallies may be attacked.

Although in times past I didn't support carrying guns at political gatherings (except for Klan rallies of course) mainly because it seems that the level headed, courageous, voices of reason that you'd be proud to share a foxhole with aren't the ones who would pack. More likely it would attract those whose firearms are essential to their self esteem (fantasy commandos) or those who are loud, short tempered (you know, the mean old alkie widower who always calls the cops on the kids for everything) or those who think the gun is intended to help persuade officials not to enforce any ordinances or collect any taxes from him, especially if his debate skills are not up to the task.

In better times I'd say that it's just poor form to intimidate the meek because it could chill their desire to participate in the process. I mean, I'd probably keep my views about the right to work to myself if a bunch of union goons with political signs thumb tacked to Louisville Sluggers were also in attendance.

But in post-constitution America we never know when we'll be hosed at an otherwise peaceful gathering. It's now "as American as apple pie" to wish a horrible death on any who don't worship your god and the politicians he sent to you. In fact there are possibly millions who voluntarily programmed themselves as Manchurian Candidates through the unhealthy practice of Bush worship, for instance. And, if a govt agent-provocateur planted the suggestion and supplied the ammo it wouldn't be difficult in weak minded America to find a few loose cannons at TOS one and two who would be up for the job.

And the lower their IQs the more vicious they are. And, with the admin's blessing they'd simply love to work as a pack (like piranha or rats) and savage any who dare to question the talking points emanating from the men behind the curtain....

Hell, we see them here now that Geldenheeb's playpen for dysfunctional invisibots is down. They won't openly worship an OWL (at least not without an invitation) but they'll fall at Sarah Palin's feet, and that's a distinction with very little difference.

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-18   18:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-08-18   19:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To me, it would be most instructive to our rulers, if every gun owner showed up at all these meetings, rallies, tea-parties, whatever - with as much of their gear that is feasible to carry.

Bump that

It would be most instructive indeed.

"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh

Flintlock  posted on  2009-08-18   21:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We're rapidly approaching a reality where people who attend rallies may be attacked.

Actually, we're past that time. People who attended rallies peacefully and unarmed, just last week, were set upon by union thugs at the behest of Obama's administration.

What would you have us do? Sign a harshly worded petition? Bleed extra hard to garner media sympathy?

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-08-19   0:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I represented our Iowa store at a computer fair in Chicago years ago and the goonsters on the loading dock wouldn't allow us to unload our own equipment. It was "their job" by contract agreement, and they were downright thuggish and menacing when they informed me of it.

I hate those OC-linked bastards. And, if they interfered with me at any political function you'd be reading about my ass in the paper. And I could never live in a city where such forces have any influence.

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-19   0:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If a bunch of armed liberals showed up at the tea parties, you wouldn't feel threatened? Of course you would. Many here would call it what it rightful would be, intimidation.

Absolutely not! Why feel threatened? I would certainly have my 44 mag strapped on. NO FEAR! And armed society can be unbelievably polite. You'd be surprised!

In our society all you are exposed to are the criminals with guns who commit crimes. Once the playing field was leveled you'd be surprised at how crime would drop. Maybe not in the beginning but eventually.

This is why the gov. can't support the second because they would not need as many cops and they would be on unemployment.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-19   9:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's true,but in MY opinion it's better to have it concealed. That way nobody can make the claim you were instigating trouble,yet you have it if you really need it.

I agree with you. However, Md. the free state I would settle for open carry if that's all I could get.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-19   9:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe they would get a clue.

I have to really wonder about that.LOL.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-08-19   9:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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