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Title: The Misinformation About the Canadian Health Care System
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URL Source: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/misi ... ut-canadian-health-care-system
Published: Jul 17, 2009
Author: albertacowpoke
Post Date: 2009-08-19 06:46:29 by wudidiz
Keywords: You, asked, for, it
Views: 196
Comments: 17
The Misinformation About the Canadian Health Care System For the past few days I have watched misinformation being bantered about in reference to the Canadian Health Care System. This article is not intended to sway anyone in the US on either side of the issue, but rather to set the record straight, as I see it. The Republicans claim that the Obama Administration is trying to introduce a Canadian Style Health Care System. There are ads that claims that there are lotteries for doctors, long waiting lists, and the control over drugs that can be used. While this may be true in some jurisdictions, I don't believe it to be true as a carde blanche rule. In some cases, where drug plans are available, doctors may be encouraged to prescribe generic drugs, but the patient always has the choice to go with the original if he/she is willing to pay for it. From my perspective, the Administration's Health Care Plan is nowhere anything near what we have in Canada. Canada's Health Care is not operated as a National Health Care System, even though it is mandated under the Canada Health Act. Jurisdictions in Canada (Provinces and Territories) are mandated to provide basic health care under the Canada Health Act. Each province provides its own health care. What that means is that when u move to another Province or Territory in Canada, you have to apply to be covered by that jurisdiction and there is normally a three months waiting period before you are covered by your new Province or Territory. The previous jurisdiction has to cover you during this waiting period. For example, if I visit Manitoba, my Alberta health card is no good to me there should I have to visit a doctor. I have to claim those expenses once I return to Alberta and I will get reimbursed at the rate that Alberta provides for this procedure, as long as it is below Manitoba's rates. . That is why most Canadians will purchase supplementary insurance or travel insurance to cover any additional costs. Some provinces have a drug plan, Alberta does not, except for Seniors, who are entitled to free Blue Cross coverage when they turn 65. Presently they pay roughly $25 for each prescription. This will soon change, since there will be a graduated plan, based on Seniors income. Until recently, Alberta collected a $64 health care premium for each person. Employers normally covered half. Some jurisdictions collect a premium, while others don't. Many Canadians carry supplementary insurance to cover pharmaceuticals, ambulance service and some medical supplies. For the most part, our Health Care Plans work well for the public. Is the system perfect? No, but neither are private plans in the US. Most waiting periods referred to are for elective surgery and non emergency MRIs or CT scans. In Alberta I have not heard of too many horror stories regarding this. My doctor can order any lab work he deems necessary to diagnose me or to monitor me. The myth that he is being controlled by the province is just that. In the Alberta Health Region they also maintain electronic health records. Drugs are readily available as required. In fact, for the most part, we pay less for the same drugs that are sold in the United States because our government negotiated drug prices. Thus a lot of American Seniors have used on line pharmacies or buses to Canada to get these cheaper drugs. At the University of Alberta a lot of research is being done especially as far as cancer, cardiology and diabetes. We believe we have the best researchers doing good work in that institution. Much of that research is funded by the government. Are there problems with the system? Of course, governments must set budget priorities and as such they determine what they cover above and beyond what is mandated by the Canada Health Act. There is also a doctor shortage, in Alberta, mostly in rural areas. In Redwater all three doctors are from South Africa. I believe they are doing a great job as General Practicioners. Accessibility to Specialists is not a problem. The difference here is that you need the GPs referral. Personally, I have never waited very long for an appointment. Recently I requested an MRI (non emergency), the appointment was within ten days. I had to cancel and reschedule and was told by some it would take a long time. Not so, I was rescheduled within a week. In summary, while not perfect, the the Canadian Health Care System works for most Canadians. Decisions by governments on coverage and infrastructure does affect it. I think so will decisions by private providers who have to make a profit and are accountable to their stockholders.
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#1. To: Tatarawicz, christine, Original_Intent, All (#0)
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“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”. ~ Mark Twain
The intricacies are not relevant at all ... the concept flies in the face of our form of government. Just because we have erred in that direction by instituting socialist programs in the past is no reason to continue doing it.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
The relevance here is that misinformation, lies, deceit, propaganda and deliberate misleading is wrong and makes me wonder what the motivation is.
Agreed.
The Babylonians have taken over our government. Babel means confusion. The only reason the laws and other important items are worded so carefully by the sophists is to confuse us ... baffle em with bulls**t !
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
I once read an opinion from a California Appellate Court that was written to intentionally deceive. The pertinent part of the entire opinion stated therefore "we are unable to exalt dry formalism above an exhausted fisc" ... I asked a number of attorneys to decipher this coded B.S. and none were able to do so off the cuff. I suppose if they were able to look up every word they might have been able to better translate it. (But, I ask you, should it be necessary for 300 million people under the law to wade through this sort of nonsense)? The opinion actually means ... we are unable to uphold the Constitution because the State Treasury need the money ! This case was "depublished" and I couldn't find where it had been taken up further on appeal.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
I just posted this on my web page... What does Americas health reform have in common with the communist ANC ..everything. One health plan for all: ANC spells it out Brendan Boyle The ANC has spelt out its plan for a single healthcare system, open to everyone and with richer patients subsidising poorer ones.A document posted on the African National Congress website on Friday evening says the public and private health sectors will be funded from a single pool and open to everyone according to need rather than to means.ANC spokesman Ishmael Mnisi said the plan had been approved by the party’s health and education committee, headed by KwaZulu-Natal premier Zweli Mkhize, and by its national executive committee. Proposals in the document include: # Anyone will be able to attend any hospital, whether public or private, and will not have to pay for medicine or treatment; # Government public health expenditure will be pooled with private medical aid contributions to create a single pool from which the government will allocate funding to public and private doctors, clinics and hospitals; # Tax rebates for medical aid contributions will be abolished; # Workers earning above a certain threshold and employers will pay a “modest” mandatory contribution to the National Health Insurance Fund; # The cap on payments for out-patient and medicine costs currently imposed by medical aid funds will be removed; and # The amount that doctors and institutions can charge the NHIF for the services they render will be capped..
Ha hahaha ... I'm a Hutu ... are you a Tutsi ???
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
COMMIE!!!! SOCIALIST!!!! NAZI!!!!!! The insurance have a God given right to profit off America's medical needs as much as they can. And to deny anything they want to, to make as many Millions for their top executives, without regard to who dies with no treatment or who goes bankrupt because of the MASSIVE CORRUPTION within the medical system. COMMIE.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Actually, free individuals do have the right to make as much money as they can, assuming they're not engaged in actual real crime. Nobody in these united States who shows up in an emergency room for actual cause is turned away and not treated. Not one person. Very few people are uninsured unintentionally. The very few that are, well, you're free to start a private charity to buy them all an insurance plan. They're only a couple of million, it should be an easy task since you seem to feel the goal is worthy enough. Get to work.
Corporations, however, are creatures of the state.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
Agreed. Nonetheless, they are made up of individuals and those individuals can band together however they wish, peacefully, and make as much money as a group as they wish to make.
As long as they're liable.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
Right. Last check, you can sue corporations and win. Mind you, I'm no fan of corporations, but on a scale of evil, they're far far far far less worrisome to me than government or people going on about how it's wrong to make a profit because you dared offer a service. You know?
Well yes, but what's the point of that? Corporate behavior is the behavior of individuals in the corporation. I say get rid of them. Government creates corporations, and then the liability-shielded behavior of individuals in corporations provides the reason for government regulation of corporations.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide
I don't disagree. What I'm saying is that you still have legal recourse at a very real and personal level. But if given my druthers, yes, I'd abolish the concept of legally created artificial people aka corporations. That said, my stand remains the same as it did in the first post of mine you responded to. The poster I was answering was whining that people dare to make money when his tender compassion was at stake. My answer is, tough beans. It beats the alternatives.
Ditto. We often fail to notice the very steep and slippery slope leading to the socialist / communist abyss and the only means of avoiding it is strict adherence to the Constitution.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#2. To: wudidiz (#0)
#3. To: noone222 (#2)
The intricacies are not relevant at all ...
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#4. To: noone222 (#2)
the concept flies in the face of our form of government. Just because we have erred in that direction by instituting socialist programs in the past is no reason to continue doing it.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#5. To: wudidiz (#3)
misinformation, lies, deceit, propaganda and deliberate misleading is wrong and makes me wonder what the motivation is.
#6. To: wudidiz (#3)
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misinformation, lies, deceit, propaganda and deliberate misleading is wrong and makes me wonder what the motivation is.
#7. To: noone222 (#2)
#8. To: robnoel (#7)
What does Americas health reform have in common with the communist ANC ..everything.
#9. To: wudidiz (#0)
#10. To: tom007 (#9)
#11. To: SonOfLiberty (#10)
Actually, free individuals do have the right to make as much money as they can
#12. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#11)
#13. To: SonOfLiberty (#12)
#14. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#13)
#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#14)
Last check, you can sue corporations and win.
#16. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#15)
#17. To: SonOfLiberty (#16)
yes, I'd abolish the concept of legally created artificial people aka corporations.
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