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Title: Held In A Psychiatric Ward & Called “Delusional” For Saying 9/11 Was An Inside Job
Source: wordpress.com
URL Source: http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/i ... -i-said-911-was-an-inside-job/
Published: Aug 20, 2009
Author: Clare Swinney, Member of Scholars For 9/
Post Date: 2009-08-20 21:09:49 by abraxas
Keywords: None
Views: 430
Comments: 41

Held In A Psychiatric Ward & Called “Delusional” For Saying 9/11 Was An Inside Job By Clare Swinney, Member of Scholars For 9/11 Truth & Justice.

I was wrongly diagnosed as delusional by the psychiatric staff of Ward 7 at Northland Base Hospital in Whangarei and held against my will for 11 days in mid-2006, because I maintained the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by criminal elements inside the US Administration.

A definition of delusional: relating to, based on, or affected by delusions. A delusion: a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness.

In light of the definition, one of the most astounding aspects to the ordeal was that when I met with the chief psychiatrist, Dr Carlos Zubaran for two formal mental health assessments, I held Issue 3 of Uncensored, which is shown in the picture above, and asked him to look at information related to the 9/11 attacks. This magazine contained an article I’d written entitled: Why Does TVNZ Lie To Us About 9/11?, which cited evidence which proved the official fable was a lie. Yet reminiscent of the fabled vampires afraid of the light of day, he refused to even cast his eyes over it during both of the so-called “assessments.”

Another astounding aspect to what occurred was that Section 4 of the New Zealand Mental Health Act makes it clear no one can be judged to be mentally ill solely on the basis of their political beliefs. The District Inspector of Mental Health in Northland – barrister, Julie Young; Bridget Westenra, the lawyer she appointed to assist me and the staff of Ward 7, including the chief psychiatrist, did not appear to know this. As can be seen, it is written in layman’s language on page 33 of Chapter 2 of Mental Health (Compulsory Assessment and Treatment) Act 1992, which is on the Ministry of Health’s own website: ‘You cannot be considered to have a mental disorder just because of your: political, religious or cultural beliefs…’.

As this Judgement shows, because of his reluctance to scrutinize the evidence related to 9/11 and his apparent ignorance of the law, nine days into my incarceration, Dr Zubaran still held the misguided belief that I suffered from a “delusional disorder” because of my political beliefs.

The evidence that shows the official story of 9/11 was indeed a lie is now overwhelming. We now have what has been referred to as the “loaded gun” – this is the unignited nanothermite, a highly-advanced explosive substance, which was far too sophisticated a composite to have originated from a cave in Afghanistan. Think military. Think US government.

The following article, which relates to what occurred in Ward 7, was published in Issue 8 of Uncensored. Thankfully, since writing about what happened and making numerous phone calls, plus sending many letters, as well as supplying numerous DVDs to the staff of Ward 7 to show them the truth about 9/11 – and then finally threatening to protest outside the hospital, the Clinical Director of Mental Health & Addiction Services in Northland sent an apology in August 2008.

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#1. To: abraxas, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)

ping

but the sheiks would shriek and the barons would bellow if hemp was made legal...and people became mellow

freepatriot32  posted on  2009-08-20   21:19:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: abraxas (#0)

Thankfully, since writing about what happened and making numerous phone calls, plus sending many letters, as well as supplying numerous DVDs to the staff of Ward 7 to show them the truth about 9/11 – and then finally threatening to protest outside the hospital, the Clinical Director of Mental Health & Addiction Services in Northland sent an apology in August 2008.

good news. good post. thanks, abraxas.

It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government~Thomas Paine

christine  posted on  2009-08-20   21:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: abraxas (#0)

the official story of 9/11 was indeed a lie

Yep, hearing of this personal attack on Claire is similiar to a situation that I experienced in FEB of 2009.

I reported a drug dealing neighbor to the pigs.

Those cops got a relative to lie about my mental health too, as the authorities did in Clair's case.

Hammond Indiana pigs then "abducted" me, took me to the local Northwest Indiana "psikhushka" state hospital where I was held against my will for six days. The quacks, and terapists all ignored the true facts.

Those quacks made all kinds of fake medical calls, drugged me, and prescribed hi dosages of prescription drugs that were designed to premeditatedly make me a vegatable if used for a little as a month.

I flushed 'em, and now realize that that drug dealing neighbor, who's been selling drugs for almost 40 years is probably being supplied by local cops, and that's how they "serve and protect" their drug dealers.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-20   21:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sizzlerguy (#3)

wow, that's a horrible story. glad you made it out OK, and that is also a lesson not to trust the pigs. you probably didnt trust them before that anyway, but then again why would you call someone for help that you didnt trust?

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
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Artisan  posted on  2009-08-20   21:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Artisan (#4)

didn't trust them before that anyway,

That's correct, I don't trust the pigs. The only reason that I mentioned the drug dealing neighbor was because those Hammond pigs were harrassing me.

I didn't call 'em, I simply told 'em about the drug dealin' neighbor while they were hasslin' me.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-20   21:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: sizzlerguy (#3)

Hammond Indiana pigs then "abducted" me, took me to the local Northwest Indiana "psikhushka" state hospital where I was held against my will for six days. The quacks, and terapists all ignored the true facts.

Holy Cow!! That's so screwed up, sizzlerguy. Are they leaving you alone these days? Some land of the free......

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-20   22:07:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas (#6)

Holy Cow!! That's so screwed up,....

Well, here was their real motive.

Those Hammond Indiana pigs recruited the perjurin' lian' relative so they could "abduct" me to the "psikhushka" state hospital mental ward.

"They" were hopin' that the "mountain" of medical expenses ($10,000) would force me to sign up for "state" and "government" welfare and disability benefits so they could continue the "sting", and get "kick-backs" from the medical expenses.

But, I didn't oblige 'em. I would rather file bankrupcy than oblige those sinister sadistic quacks and pigs.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-20   22:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#2)

good news. good post. thanks, abraxas

How crazy that they locked her up. That definition of delusional describes any person who believes the goobermint conspiracy theory, IMO. The American people are so gullible. They seem to be willing to believe anything.

I'm glad she's free too.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-20   22:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: abraxas (#8)

That definition of delusional describes any person who believes the goobermint conspiracy theory, IMO.

my sentiment too.

It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government~Thomas Paine

christine  posted on  2009-08-20   22:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: sizzlerguy (#7)

get with Randy here at rule of law radio he may have a contact in your area who can help you with slamming the pigs and their accomplices who kidnapped you.

The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2009-08-20   23:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: abraxas, freepatriot32, christine, sizzlerguy, Artisan, Lod, Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, Jamesa Deffenbach (#0) (Edited)

Held In A Psychiatric Ward & Called “Delusional” For Saying 9/11 Was An Inside Job

For the benefit of all you good people let me tell you something and I hope you store it in your emergency action file.

First, if anyone ever attempts to hold you for a psyche eval against your will and without just cause you must from the moment your freedom is restricted tell everyone involved that:

A: You do not consent to the restriction of your freedom or any so called testing, and

B: Sooner or later you will get out and when you do you are going to sue them. If you ask everyone, (i.e. attendants, nurses, ambulance drivers, cops, etc,) their names first in a light hearted and friendly tone of voice and then tell them that you are going to sue them it has a much more chilling effect, and believe me they will know that you can make good on your promise.

If any attempt to argue or offer justification for their participation, just say "Yeah, and if you give your lawyer 10,000 dollars I'm sure he'll fight like Hell to defend you! But I file all my own lawsuits pro se for fifty cents a page, so we'll see who says UNCLE first!"

If any say " my company/institution will pay for my lawyer!" your reply is, "Make sure you tell them that if they let you swing I won't include them in the lawsuit. Just how much do they like you over there? I guess we'll see! And, when you ask for that expensive legal protection be sure to tell them that you were harassing an allegedly mentally disordered patient and inflicting unnecessary mental anguish!" (See how it works? Remember, intimidation is a two-way street)

The doctors are the ones that you want to concentrate on. Don't try to explain your views or discuss your politics or allow any testing to be done, and the less you say other than consistently objecting to the Soviet tactics they're using on you the better. Then a doctor cannot go to court or swear in a deposition that you're crazy if he/she never examined you! Assuming you don't physically attack anyone or demonstrate that you're a danger to yourself then he/she will have no legal leg on which to perch!

""Why did you hold this person against his will, doctor?"

"Because a politician ordered it!"

If you stick to your guns and refuse to participate and act as any sane person under attack would in a matter of hours the doctors will begin to realize that your threat is credible and even if you don't win the mere filing of such a lawsuit will cause their insurance premiums to soar! (Remember sign nothing or in any way offer anything that could be construed as consent.)

The one exception is The State Of California, which under its Welfare & Institutions Code section 5150 authorizes any doctor, mental health official or police officer to commit anyone for 72 hours! If you're found homeless, incoherent or otherwise seemingly incapable of surviving your circs you could be held for evaluation and the committing person is legally untouchable. The one exception is "If the probable cause is based on the statement of a person other than the officer, member of the attending staff, or professional person, such person shall be liable in a civil action for intentionally giving a statement which he or she knows to be false." So, even CA law provides a remedy for a Soviet-style political commitment.

Assuming that someone tries to pull this stuff to silence you for political reasons, you can turn the tables and have them sweating bullets!

Even if they say "We can keep you for years!" Your answer is, "And when I get out I'm going to sue you!"

Needless to say, never use or threaten physical violence because that would justify the commitment. A sane person knows that violence is not an acceptable option. Your only legal option is a lawsuit, and you can tell them that you intend to become their new partner (and share all of their personal holdings and wealth) and ask them questions like "Does your spouse know that you are putting her home and lifestyle at risk by abusing your discretion and committing willful torts against innocent people? Why don't you call her/him and ask what you should do because she/he stands to lose as a result of your actions!"

Believe me, if you play your hand correctly any doctor will soon realize that you aren't shooting blanks and if you turn the tables and intimidate him/her he/she will soon want to distance himself from your case. But, not before calling whoever it is that orders the commitment and asking whether or not they can justify it! (And if they aren't a medical/mental health professional they'll have a hard time justifying their "diagnosis!")

Please file this away for several reasons: If you ever need it it will serve you well because you won't have to feel helpless, and it could shorten your stay and possibly even result in a nuisance lawsuit settlement without even having to go to court! (when the doctor contacts his lawyer or insurance company their attorneys will quickly agree that the last thing they want is for a jury to hear this story, especially if they could never justify the kidnapping/commitment/mental anguish and physical abuse.

And, they won't be able to use your commitment to chill others who would also speak out against the evil that men did on that terrible day in 2001.

No matter how angry or upset you get you must never lose it. Your only option is to conduct yourself as an honest person under attack and to refuse to cooperate while reminding them that when you get out you're going to sue! (Don't even yell or shout or wave your arms because if they have anything resembling medical grounds to sedate you it could undermine your legal case against them) You owe it to other potential victims to handle it well and to prevail over your adversaries, and this is how it can be done.

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-20   23:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IRTorqued. all (#10)

It really seems like that it is coming down to us, against them.

I don't know how else to say it.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-08-20   23:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#11) (Edited)

sign nothing

OK, Thanks for this info.

Hey, the only thing that I signed at the "psikhushka" state subsidized hospital was a consent form to be treated by my regular doctor, who was on the regular staff of that hospital.

But, he never showed up, I refused to sign the consent form for anyone else to treat me.

I didn't want to threaten to sue 'em, 'cause I thought that if I played their game, I had a better chance of gettin' out after the 72 hours, but the "catch" was, the "72" hours, didn't count Saturday, or Sunday. So I was trapped for 6 days.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-20   23:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sizzlerguy (#13)

I didn't want to threaten to sue 'em, 'cause I thought that if I played their game, I had a better chance of gettin' out after the 72 hours, but the "catch" was, the "72" hours, didn't count Saturday, or Sunday. So I was trapped for 6 days

God damn those rotten bastards!

RADIO CAROLINE ONLINE

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-20   23:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#11)

Good info. Thank you HOUNDDAW. : )

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-20   23:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: HOUNDDAWG, abraxas, freepatriot32, christine, sizzlerguy, Artisan, Lod, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach (#11)

Thank you. It looks like a sound strategy.

A very simple and quick strategy to get a family member released who has been snatched by one of these "institutions" is to cancel their health insurance or order the Insurance company (if you are a spouse or have power of attorney) to cease paying the "institution" and the "Doctor(s)". Generally, based on case histories, they are out "cured" within 3 days.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-20   23:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: IRTorqued (#10)

Randy here at rule of law radio

It's worth a try, THX IRT.....

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-20   23:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#16)

cancel their health insurance...

Yep, I did that recently to prevent any more "abductions" by the Hammond Indiana pigs and Northwest Indiana psikhushka "state" hospital quacks. The health insurance only paid about 15% of the cost of the "psikhushka" six day stay. I got stuck for the balance.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-20   23:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sizzlerguy (#18)

Any way to avoid the bill on the grounds that it was not consensual?

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-20   23:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)

avoid the bill...

That bill is now in the hands of a collection agent lawyer. I plan on contesting the charges, by trying to have them review the relative's perjured, fabricated complaint which was full of lies. I'll also mention that I didn't sign the consent form.

These "abductions" in Northwest Indiana may happen often.

I think that the "Standard Operating Procedure" by the pigs and politicians is for the lian' relative to sign a perjured statement like this:

"A little brother of the abductee committed suicide and that event supposedly had an effect on the abductee's mental health at an early age".

A Nurse at the psikhushka told me that premeditated lie was on the perjured complaint.

I got rock solid proof that no "little bro" was ever born, or ever existed.

Local attornys won't touch it, because they are scared of Hammond Cop retaliation. Hammond pigs are "fear mongerers".

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-21   0:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sizzlerguy (#20)

Sounds like you have a racket going on like the one that was exposed down in Texas. You might want to alert CCHR (Citizen's Commission on Human Rights) which is a watchdog group which is big on going after these kinds of scams.

The way the one in Texas worked was they would literally abduct people off the street, commit them, suck the insurance dry, and then dump them on the street - usually the worse for the treatment.

I would be willing to guess from what you are describing is a very large ring working on a kickback and headhunter fee system - which is how the Texas scam worked.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-21   0:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#21)

racket

Yes, it was a very organized attack on me. It included stalking, intimadation, a smear campaign using fabricated tapes, and terror tactics by the Hammond pigs which led up to the relative's perjured complaint.

And that would explain why the Hammond Indiana city courts won't respond to my certified mail requesting the public record of the perjured complaint too.

Headhunting fees, that figures too, and I figured "kick back" scam too.

MANY THANK ORIGINAL_INTENT I'm gonna' contact CCHR

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-08-21   0:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas (#0)

One little detail missing from Abraxas' account is the legal pretext for holding him against his will. It didn't matter if he believed that the WTC was brought down by George Bush or by flying saucers or even if he believed that the WTC was still standing even though invisible to everyone else.

He could only be confined against his will if he was considered a danger to himself or others.

Shoonra  posted on  2009-08-21   0:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sizzlerguy (#22)

I am happy if I have been of any help. Thank you. And Good Luck. It never hurts to have reinforcements on your side. An Army of one may have been a good slogan, but there is no substitute for an Army. CCHR has the reputation of being good people to have in your corner.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-21   0:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Shoonra (#23)

One little detail missing from Abraxas' account is the legal pretext for holding him against his will.

lol....I didn't write the account. If you take the time to read the article you will find that SHE was confinded against HER will and SHE does provide some pretext. Also, she wasn't in the US, so the 'legal pretext' of which you speak may not be applicable.

abraxas  posted on  2009-08-21   0:58:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Shoonra (#23)

One little detail missing from Abraxas' account is the legal pretext for holding him against his will. It didn't matter if he believed that the WTC was brought down by George Bush or by flying saucers or even if he believed that the WTC was still standing even though invisible to everyone else.

He could only be confined against his will if he was considered a danger to himself or others.

That's certainly our understanding after the landmark supreme court ruling that emptied our nuthouses back in the '60s.

But, this case was in New Zealand, a socialist country where the people are subjects.

Who can say what their govt can do with impunity?

The legal principle you mentioned is conspicuously absent in the article, and I dare say that if such a law was in effect in NZ there'd be no need for the law that reads "... ‘You cannot be considered to have a mental disorder just because of your: political, religious or cultural beliefs…’...."

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"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-08-21   1:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sizzlerguy (#17)

they are on the air from 8 to midnight on fridays (central time) just mash that radio looking thing on their home page to listen over the internet. plus you can get their archives going back a couple years. Randy has been giving judges, prosecutors and cops in the Texas the what-for for quite a few years and has been putting florida and california 'legal' systems feet to the fire for awhile also. look up this guy, Michael David Beiter Jr for information on taking every thing your kidnappers own.

The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2009-08-21   2:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sizzlerguy (#22)

Yes, it was a very organized attack on me. It included stalking, intimadation, a smear campaign using fabricated tapes, and terror tactics by the Hammond pigs which led up to the relative's perjured complaint.

You can also file a report with the IRS on each individual cop who you suspect is receiving illegal revenue. The IRS won't give a damn if the source of the income is illegal, but if they aren't reporting it and taxing it then they will give a damn.You can file anonymously too. http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html

Patriot Henry  posted on  2009-08-21   2:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Patriot Henry (#28)

So, you trust government to honour your personal report against an bureaucratic agent of the same?

I am curious and you need never respond which is likely anyways ..... where on Earth have you received your party oath? The GOP or the Dems?

buckeroo  posted on  2009-08-21   2:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: abraxas (#0)

This planet is no place for the sane !

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-08-21   6:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sizzlerguy (#22)

You hate pigs for a very good reason, because of what they did to you.

I just hate them for what they are.

Is there a investigative reporter in your area that might help? If what you say is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, that reporter can make his or her career in taking these pigs down hard. You can provide him or her with a nice juicy target.

Just an idea.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-21   7:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas (#0)

I was wrongly diagnosed as delusional by the psychiatric staff of Ward 7 at Northland Base Hospital in Whangarei and held against my will for 11 days in mid-2006, because I maintained the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by criminal elements inside the US Administration.

wrongly?

All of a sudden dissent is no longer patriotic.

4 givan 1  posted on  2009-08-21   8:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: abraxas (#0)

What a nutjob. She needs a lobotomy.

longnose gar  posted on  2009-08-21   9:15:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo, sizzlerguy (#29)

So, you trust government to honour your personal report against an bureaucratic agent of the same?

The IRS doesn't give a damn if you are a cop. The IRS doesn't give a damn if cops take dirty money. They do give a damn if they don't pay taxes. They list various crimes as sources of income that must be reported.

From IRS Publication 17:

Bribes. If you receive a bribe, include it in your income.

Furthermore:

against an bureaucratic agent of the same?

They aren't the same. Local versus federal, small time department versus the big boys. A corrupt cop is just another peon to the IRS. The "blue wall of silence" doesn't exist for the IRS.

If the system is gonna try to screw you, then one with a little understanding of the system can quite easily arrange for it to screw itself.

It might also be possible to file anonymous reports with county, state, and or federal agencies including the DEA and FBI. The more the merrier. With a little research it might be possible to find evidence of environmental crimes, in which case the EPA should be alerted, and that would be a nightmare worse than being stuck in a psych ward for 6 days but it might end with the person being committed after they lose it. If a cop has a side business being a mechanic for example, and they dump used oil and other chemicals down the drain or in the ground, the EPA would very likely be interested. If they have a business, it might also be most likely that they are in violation of OSHA regulations, or the fire code, or the labor board might be interested in hearing tales from disgruntled former employees who might be easily convinced to file reports as they might gain large amounts of back pay and payback.

With some work and effort it might be possible to find other agencies that would be interested in pursuing these people. The government is not a monolith. It will eat it's own.

I am curious and you need never respond which is likely anyways ..... where on Earth have you received your party oath? The GOP or the Dems?

I registered Republican so I could vote for Ron Paul. Other than that I have no party affiliation. I am strongly anti-GOP and anti-Dem, and I also disagree with the Libertarian and Constitution parties for their errors.

I try my hardest to avoid being screwed by anyone in the system. However, if they break the rules of the system in order to screw me, then they will become fair game for unleashing the power of the system onto them.

Patriot Henry  posted on  2009-08-21   12:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#29)

From Pub. 17:

Stolen property. If you steal property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steal it unless in the same year, you return it to its rightful owner.

Kickbacks. You must include kickbacks, side commissions, push money, or similar payments you receive in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040), if from your self-employment activity.

Illegal activities. Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.

Patriot Henry  posted on  2009-08-21   12:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Patriot Henry (#34)

I also disagree with the Libertarian and Constitution parties for their errors.

What errors?

buckeroo  posted on  2009-08-21   13:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#36)

What errors?

The Constitution Party is anti-liberty and anti-property rights.

The Libertarian Party is in favor of a limited State, and thus is in favor of the State, and all of the inherent corruption that will result from having a State. This is also true of the CP. While they both would advance the nation towards a true state of liberty, neither is willing to go all of the way and thus ensures that even if they were successful they would fail in the end.

Patriot Henry  posted on  2009-08-21   14:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Patriot Henry (#37)

What makes you think that these political parties want the massive government we experience these days? Are you saying these are "teaser political parties?"

buckeroo  posted on  2009-08-21   15:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#0)

I do not believe this woman is telling the whole truth.

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-08-21   15:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#14)

God damn those rotten bastards!

During the last few weeks, I've arrived at some new conclusions regarding the perjury, abduction, kidnapping head-hunting "racket" that takes place in my city, and probably in the enitre state of Indiana.

After seeing others, who have had a similiar organized series of lies and flagrant perjury by relative deployed at them, they were also arrested or abducted by local pigs, and/or kidnapped, held and treated against their will at the local "state" psikhuska hospital. Many of 'em have been reduced into mindless "vegatables."

Looking for "motive", the motive became clear. It's a "state" wide "sting" operation. The "state" of Indiana has "motive" to mislabel, and attempts to reduce sane intelligent "sole hiers" of wealthy estates to vegatables. The "state" coordinates with local pigs, politicians, and the the local casino (mob) by stalking and terroizing with COINTELPRO, and attempts to "frame" their "prey" to "plant" dirt on their "preys" criminal history. Then, if the pigs succeed in "framing" their "target" with "fabricated" events, the local pigs will offer their "target" a favorable deal. The "favorable deal" is, "go to their "state quacks", admit that you're crazy, and the quack will administer "psikhushka" drugs which will induce permanent multiple mental and physical illnesses.

To pay the "state quacks", the "prey" or victim has to sign up for state benefits, welfare, disability, social services, etc.

Once they've got their "prey" into the hands of the unethical "state quacks", "they" got ya'.

The eventual "motive" is to reduce the honest, healthy Indiana citizen into a permanent veg, "spas" or retard with the "quacks" medications.

The parents and relatives then get a "slave", an obediant "servant" for the of their life, and when the parents and relatives die, the "victim", who now's been transformed into a helpless retarded, mindless robot is placed into the care of the "state", who takes control of all the "victims" inheritances to treat that helpless "veg" for the rest of his/her life.

As an added bonus, the "state" also gets a "cadaver" and profits again on the formerly sane, healthy persons human organs.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-10-31   15:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: abraxas (#0)

the Clinical Director of Mental Health & Addiction Services in Northland sent an apology in August 2008

I wouldn't want an apology. I would want revenge or significant amount of money.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-10-31   18:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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