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Title: Imagine if All Altheists Left America
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Published: Aug 21, 2009
Author: jeebsy12
Post Date: 2009-08-21 08:58:02 by A K A Stone
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#1. To: All, Ferret Mike (#0)

If all the atheists left America, ideologically we’d be back to the principals of the Founding Fathers.
4 posted on Friday, August 21, 2009 5:41:23 AM by GOP_Party_Animal
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 9:00:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)
Atheism/agnostic beliefs (or lack thereof) do not exclude a belief in the founding principles of this nation. We are not and have never been a theocracy. Americans can firmly advocate and believe in the freedom of man without having to subscribe to a religion. One can also fully understand and appreciate religion's role in society without having to condemn it, as an atheist or agnostic.
That said, there are an awful lot of atheists and agnostics who are total dick-cheeses, and many do fall on the statist side of the spectrum. But as is true with anything regarding people and groups, you have to judge each individual in his or her own merits.

SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-08-21 9:04:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: A K A Stone, all (#0) (Edited)
If Thomas Paine had the advantage of learning more about the natural world he would be an atheist. Jefferson too. Neither were Christians. So I guess you believe both to be burning in hell? Thomas Paine was the Richard Dawkins of his day.
It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. -- Thomas Paine
There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superstition and falsehood. -- Thomas Paine
The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion. -- Thomas Paine
Everything wonderful in appearance has been ascribed to angels, to devils, or to saints. Everything ancient has some legendary tale annexed to it. The common operations of nature have not escaped their practice of corrupting everything. -- Thomas Paine
No falsehood is so fatal as that which is made an article of faith. -- Thomas Paine,
What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith. -- Thomas Paine
The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind. -- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1793-5)
The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense. -- Thomas Paine
The Bible is a book that has been read more, and examined less, than any book that ever existed. -- Thomas Paine
Priests and conjurors are of the same trade. -- Thomas Paine
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon that the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. -- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)

Rhino369 posted on 2009-08-21 9:55:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: SonOfLiberty (#2)
Atheism/agnostic beliefs (or lack thereof) do not exclude a belief in the founding principles of this nation.

We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights.....
We make this constitution to secure the blessing......

Actually they do. Quit being PC.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 10:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights.....

Too bad they didn't really believe that.
The just-us system started at the beginning.
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Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
PSUSA posted on 2009-08-21 10:38:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
No, they don't. You're inventing a demon in order to whip it on a pole.
In essence, you're looking to make enemies where there are some friends. Is there nothing more pressing right now than trying to cull out liberty loving people who don't believe in your god? You need all the help you can get right now. If you truly believe that there are no founding father admiring liberty loving agnostics or atheists, that informs me that you're out of touch and need to expand your acquaintances in the world.
Assuming, of course, that you're for liberty as defined by the age of Reason and the Founding Fathers I mean (I honestly don't know).

SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-08-21 10:39:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: PSUSA (#5)
Too bad they didn't really believe that.

No doubt you are a govt narc. Are you the guy I saw on that video years back demonizing the founding fathers calling them terrorists?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 10:46:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#6)
In essence, you're looking to make enemies where there are some friends.

No actually I am just posting an article. One I happen to mostly agree with. There is no doubt that the politics in the country would change for the better if there were no more atheists. That is not an opinion but a fact.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 10:47:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
No, it's an opinion being presented as a fact, based on false assumptions and pre-made demons ready for whipping.
I'm sorry, but it's an ignorant, narrow, small minded and rather absurd view for the author to take.
There's no further need to argue about this, since there's nothing to debate. One cannot force people to learn after all. I know for a fact I'm right on this, having experience of knowing many agnostics/atheists who believe strongly in the principles of the founders, so the article is de facto a dead letter.
Cheers

SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-08-21 10:50:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: A K A Stone (#4)

We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights.....
We make this constitution to secure the blessing......
Actually they do. Quit being PC.

That god Jefferson wrote about in the declaration wasn't your god. He didn't believe in your god.

Rhino369 posted on 2009-08-21 12:05:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: A K A Stone (#1)
If all the atheists left America, ideologically we’d be back to the principals of the Founding Fathers

Maybe you should show us how a good Christian behaves... Try taking down the article you put up on your site dissing the hostess here, while you are using her site as we post. That would show the world, you, at least, incorporated the Christian principles you expound into your OWN life.

mininggold posted on 2009-08-21 12:11:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: mininggold (#11)
What's his website?

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Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
PSUSA posted on 2009-08-21 12:19:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: A K A Stone (#8)
There is no doubt that the politics in the country would change for the better if there were no more atheists. That is not an opinion but a fact.

I suppose if you like socialism, then your statement would be true.
"Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie

Mr Nuke Buzzcut posted on 2009-08-21 12:44:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: PSUSA (#12)
What's his website?

http://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi

And the "article" is still on the sidebar.

mininggold posted on 2009-08-21 12:50:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Again, too bad they really didn't believe that.
They are quite typical of most "christians" though, in that they say one thing and do something else entirely.
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Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
PSUSA posted on 2009-08-21 12:52:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: mininggold (#14)
And the "article" is still on the sidebar.

You are a liar. I have posted no such article.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 13:42:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: SonOfLiberty (#9)
having experience of knowing many agnostics/atheists who believe strongly in the principles of the founders, so the article is de facto a dead letter.

Your entitled to your opinion.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 13:44:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)
I know. I'm also entitled to my experience.
I can only judge people based on their individual actions and words, and how well they align the two. Collective judgments just don't work.
Hope your day goes well.

SonOfLiberty posted on 2009-08-21 13:46:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: A K A Stone (#16)
You are a liar. I have posted no such article.

So you are imitating the ID of the host of another website? That's equally despicable.

mininggold posted on 2009-08-21 13:53:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: mininggold (#19)
No. I just said you are a liar. I have posted no such article. It is easy enough for anyone to check out that you are lying or at the least very mistaken.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 13:57:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: mininggold (#19)
So you are imitating the ID of the host of another website? That's equally despicable.

He's backtracking.
He didn't post it, but it is on his site.

IDon'tThinkSo posted on 2009-08-21 13:58:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#21)
He's backtracking.
He didn't post it, but it is on his site.

How am I backtracking?
Minningold said something that isn't true about me. I told him it isn't true then he accused me of impersonating myself. No backtracking here. But mininggold should backtrack. Do you think I should have a policy over there to take down articles critical of certain people or subjects? If so would you make me a list?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 14:03:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)
Minningold said something that isn't true about me. I told him it isn't true then he accused me of impersonating myself. No backtracking here. But mininggold should backtrack. Do you think I should have a policy over there to take down articles critical of certain people or subjects? If so would you make me a list?

Maybe a title edit would be in order of which I'm sure you are capable. Your website promotes the personal dissing of the hostess here over circumstances of which she has NO CONTROL, and is a private citizen, and yet you come here to post. I would think the same way if it mentioned Goldi too under similiar circumstances and you came over to post on LP under that ID.

mininggold posted on 2009-08-21 14:10:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#21)
He's backtracking.
He didn't post it, but it is on his site.

He's playing dumb and irresponsible. Maybe someone needs to go over there and post a personal diatribe about him being the antichrist or similiar and we'll see how long his belief in free speech in all cases remains.

mininggold posted on 2009-08-21 14:16:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: mininggold (#23)
I have nothing against Christine. I like christine. I can't say the same for Goldi. My website promotes free speech. Even things I don't like sometimes. I don't want to be a hypocrite and say I am for free speech then take stuff down that is not slanderous or a threat on someones life or something really serious. People diss people all the time on the internet. When someone says something wrong should I delete it and cover for them?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 14:17:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#21)
That asshat over on the Nest is Gar, I bet.

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-08-21 14:20:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: A K A Stone (#22)
How am I backtracking?

When I first asked you, you denied having a site.
I guess we've now moved past that.

IDon'tThinkSo posted on 2009-08-21 14:21:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Jethro Tull, F16Fighter (#26)
That asshat over on the Nest is Gar, I bet.

F16Fighter would be my first guess. gar always uses lower case handles.

IDon'tThinkSo posted on 2009-08-21 14:22:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)
When I first asked you, you denied having a site.

That is not true either. You must have a reading comprehension problem too.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 14:22:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: A K A Stone, christine (#25)
I have nothing against Christine. I like christine. I can't say the same for Goldi. My website promotes free speech. Even things I don't like sometimes. I don't want to be a hypocrite and say I am for free speech then take stuff down that is not slanderous or a threat on someones life or something really serious. People diss people all the time on the internet. When someone says something wrong should I delete it and cover for them?

I don't know.... maybe a disclaimer. I've always had a hard time with forums raking private citizens over the coals in the title. It's not like she has any control over LP's problems.

mininggold posted on 2009-08-21 14:24:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
When I first asked you, you denied having a site.
That is not true either. You must have a reading comprehension problem too.

#17. To: A K A Stone (#2)
Why not invite longnose over to your site?
That way you can have two posters and longnose will have another site to get his important message out.
IDon'tThinkSo posted on 2009-08-07
#22. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#17)
Who told you I have a site? I guess you know me better than I know you.

IDon'tThinkSo posted on 2009-08-21 14:28:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: mininggold (#30)
Mr Gold. I've read you on LP before. I think you are an ok guy. Or maybe your a gal i don't know. Just thought you should know that. I'm not as edity and delete happy as goldi. I just pretty much let things go where they go. Someone did call someone a nigger before and i deleted that. Or actually I put in a couple of *'s. In hindsight I should have just left it.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 14:28:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#31)
IDon'tThinkSo posted on 2009-08-07
#22. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#17)
Who told you I have a site? I guess you know me better than I know you.

Where is the denial in that post. I can see how you might take my words and think that.
What I was saying is this. Hmm this guy knows I have a site. I wonder how he knows as i have never told him. I don't even remember if I have ever talked to him. He must know me better then i know him because he knows I have a site and I have seen his screen name before but don't know any of his positions or if I have even talked to him before.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 14:35:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: A K A Stone (#32)
I think you are an ok guy.

Say that to me and I'll put in a good word for you with my bosses at the bureau. Maybe I can get you off the red list. It just depends on your asskissing skills.
Pucker up!!!!!!!
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Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
PSUSA posted on 2009-08-21 14:41:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: PSUSA (#34)
I give you a hard time and I have my doubts about you. But your ok too sometimes. I like your preparedness list. I fear it is a honey pot though.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
A K A Stone posted on 2009-08-21 14:43:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: A K A Stone (#1) (Edited)

If all the atheists left America, ideologically we’d be back to the principals of the Founding Fathers.

oh good....atheists vs luciferians.........
The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were anti-Christ and anti-Christian documents....wish more people would understand that. [Ezekiel 17:7-10/Matthew 15:13]

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edit.
that flag says it all....[the floundering fathers weren't Christians; Christians wouldn't identify themselves with the serpent in Genesis 3:15]
btw....

"....Now you have the answers to what is and has happened to the American people. Truthfully, it started when President Washington used the first "emergency power’s act" in 1791, so he could, unconstitutionally in peace time, but constitutional in war time because it was "necessary" to install the first private bank in America. He then set up each State as a "district State" so the United States could control through its "district courts" what it could not do under the original constitution in time of peace. They took the physical State and overlaid it with a fictitious "district state." That is why you have U.S. district courts in every State of the Union. James Montgomery has documented this action, and I believe he has it posted on www.atgpress.com in his section immediately below the Informer's section.
To get to the bottom of all your woes today, one must go back in time to see how they accomplished this. This is why I have stated that IF the people, the common everyday people, had really drafted AND ratified their own creation of a contract, do you think they would, or rather put you in their position, drafted such a damaging piece of paper called the "Constitution?" I know I would not have. Especially the emergency powers part where once the President took control, constitutionally mind you, that it would be the engine for total control. Such has been the case since 1791. Patrick Henry and the other anti-federalists saw what was happening and the common average man on the street, just like today, said it could not happen and allowed this to happen out of shear ignorance. Today we have most of the people who have no clue what really took place. They cannot fathom why they rape them repeatedly again and cannot claim their unalienable rights. They cannot understand why the so-called Bill of Rights can no longer be used. They cannot understand why the Constitution that they thought was theirs, is not, and cannot be used in the prize courts of admiralty. Simply stated, "enemies have no rights."
What is fascinating is this passage from Solicitor of Lincoln's War Department, William Whiting's book on War Powers, where he wrote;
"The belligerent right of the government to confiscate enemy's real estates, situated in this country, can hardly admit of question. The title is to no inconsiderable part of real estate in each of the original States of the Union, rests upon the validity of confiscation acts, passed by our ancestors against loyal adherents to the crown. Probably none of these States failed to pass and apply these laws. English and American acts of confiscation were recognized by the laws of both countries, and their operation modified by treaties; their validity was never denied. The only authority which either of the States or colonies ever had for passing such laws was derived from the fact that they were belligerents."
Right here it is evident that the States, created the same way the United States was, by the aristocrats, would consider themselves belligerents against the common man on the street who had no say in the drafting and ratifying of any of the constitutions of any of the States. The common man had no money to speak of nor any large amount of real property to be able to become a member of the contract called the State. In all the States you had to have at least 500 pounds sterling or a land mass equivalent to that amount before becoming an elector or even thinking of running for office. This is but another small proof that you and me, the common man of that era, was considered as nothing. Just like we look at street bums of today, they looked at the common man. No dear people, we were never considered part of their posterity and never drafted nor ratified any constitution. The statement the constitution was "divinely inspired" is so far from the truth that it should be stated that it was the "works of the devil." ...."
www.atgpress.com/inform/wep033.htm
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-08-21 14:50:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: mininggold (#14)
And the "article" is still on the sidebar.

Sour grapes from offsite malcontents. Murron/RebelGal needs to bring it here and say it in person.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
X-15 posted on 2009-08-21 14:59:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: A K A Stone (#35)
I fear it is a honey pot though.

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. No point in arguing about it.
The only things I recall disagreeing about are religious topics. Religion being the curse it is, same as politics and authoritarians. Unless you are a pig. Pigs really dont like what I post. I know that from past experience. I bet some of them would kill me if they could find me.
If religious disagreements are all it takes to be labeled a fed, then there are lots of feds out there.
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Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. -Sun Tzu
PSUSA posted on 2009-08-21 15:23:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Artisan (#36)
"....Now you have the answers to what is and has happened to the American people. Truthfully, it started when President Washington used the first "emergency power’s act" in 1791, so he could, unconstitutionally in peace time, but constitutional in war time because it was "necessary" to install the first private bank in America. He then set up each State as a "district State" so the United States could control through its "district courts" what it could not do under the original constitution in time of peace. They took the physical State and overlaid it with a fictitious "district state." That is why you have U.S. district courts in every State of the Union. James Montgomery has documented this action, and I believe he has it posted on www.atgpress.com in his section immediately below the Informer's section.

had a thought re: your thread on traffic tickets.
here's where your District Courts [where I'm reading most all civil and criminal trials, you know the ones, where they extort the people] come from.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2009-08-21 19:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)
What's an Altheist?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.
Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.
Dakmar posted on 2009-08-21 19:51:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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