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Title: McCain Evicts Angry Woman From Town Hall Meeting
Source: HuffPost
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Published: Aug 27, 2009
Author: HuffPost
Post Date: 2009-08-27 14:34:11 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 524
Comments: 30

PHOENIX — Sen. John McCain met with an angry crowd at a town-hall meeting about health care reform Wednesday, sometimes having to fight to talk and telling one woman who wouldn't stop yelling that she had to leave.

The Arizona senator hadn't yet opened up the meeting at McCain's central Phoenix church to questions when one audience member continuously yelled over him.

"You're going to have to stop or you're going to have to leave," McCain told the woman. When security guards approached to escort her out, he told her "Goodbye, see ya" to a round of applause.

After McCain opened it up to questioning, one man angrily pointed at him and asked the senator why he deserves a better health care plan than him.

"I'm trying to get it for you," McCain told him. "We'll do it for you. We'll make it affordable and available to you."

Other audience members in the crowd of 2,000 told McCain about their medical problems, such as HIV and multiple sclerosis.

McCain urged them he would fight for health care reform but reiterated his opposition to President Barack Obama's plan to create a government option to compete with private insurers, arguing that it would be the eventual end of private insurers in the U.S.

Obama and most Democrats say a government option would serve to balance the power of private insurers. But insurance companies see it as a step toward a government takeover, and many business groups agree.

When McCain was trying to answer questions from reporters after the town hall, one audience member yelled at him that he gets hundreds of thousands of dollars from insurance companies every year.

In a voice of feigned surprise, McCain said "Really? I didn't know that."

"There's more interest and involvement in this issue than I've ever seen in many years on a domestic issue," McCain said afterward. "There's obviously strong feeling and emotions on this issue and I think the town-hall meetings are a very important way to get people's viewpoints and allow them to deal directly with their elected representative."

The Democratic plan has repeatedly run into problems at such meetings. Throughout August, unruly opponents have tried to shout down lawmakers at local town hall meetings.

McCain also spoke against the proposal at a much more subdued town-hall meeting Tuesday in the retirement community of Sun City.

McCain canceled a Friday trip to Flagstaff so he can attend services for longtime colleague Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, who died Tuesday night.

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#1. To: Brian S, christine, Cynicom, farmfriend, CadetD, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, HappyToBeMe-4um, Itistoolate, Esso, Shoonra, Weasel Mike, farmfriend, all (#0)

After McCain opened it up to questioning, one man angrily pointed at him and asked the senator why he deserves a better health care plan than him.

"I'm trying to get it for you," McCain told him. "We'll do it for you. We'll make it affordable and available to you."

Other audience members in the crowd of 2,000 told McCain about their medical problems, such as HIV and multiple sclerosis.

McCain urged them he would fight for health care reform but reiterated his opposition to President Barack Obama's plan to create a government option to compete with private insurers, arguing that it would be the eventual end of private insurers in the U.S.

The key point of course is never discussed i.e., that the Feral Government has no business, nor right, to be involved in Hellthcare beyond public health measures PERIOD.

By controlling and shifting the debate from should we allow the Feds to do this to Obamacare® versus Republicare® it totally eliminates the most important objection to federal intervention in healthcare i.e., it's none of their damn business.

Of course the Sucker Class sees it as getting something for nothing when there is no such thing. Someone has to pay for all this government largess and that means extorting money from one group to pay for the upkeep of another. The false premise of socialism is that everyone should live in enforced economic equality - except for those running the show.

Obamacare® is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for a eugenics agenda and forced population reduction by murdering millions of people. That is the stark reality no one wants to confront.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-27   14:54:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent, all (#1)

Another key point is people with active brain cells shouldn't discuss matters of government with McCain. They should be busy organizing to bring him down and then be ready to replace him with something resembling an American.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-27   19:55:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Another key point is people with active brain cells shouldn't discuss matters of government with McCain. They should be busy organizing to bring him down and then be ready to replace him with something resembling an American.

True, but seeing him pinned to the wall is entertaining. It is a useful exercise to the degree that it is revealing to the mind numbed robots, such as Dildoeheads, Freeptards®, and BOORtzbots that the R's are in bed with the Demoncrats. Most won't get it but some will, and that is an inroad. Any step forward is to be taken at this point.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-27   23:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Any step forward is to be taken at this point.

I'm starting to lean your way, OI. Obama has been that much of a wake up call.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-27   23:31:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

Any step forward is to be taken at this point.

I'm starting to lean your way, OI. Obama has been that much of a wake up call.

We did not get into this pickle over night and there is not going to be a "magic bullet" that is going to take it all away quickly. I wish it were otherwise but I don't believe that to be the case. On the positive side once we get a good head of steam wit will go faster than it is now. There is an underswell building which will eventually rise as a tsunami, but we have to keep building it. Not going into agreement or accepting regurgitated propaganda from people we speak to is an act of resistance.

I think I unsettled one of my company's HR geeks here a couple of weeks ago. We were going through a seminar about downsizing and she was spouting the rosy scenario bullshit about how things are beginning to turn around and that the economy would be better by the end of the year. To which I piped up and replied that no it would be at least 2012 to 2015 before we will see a significant recovery begin. Of course what I did not add, because it would not have been real to her, is that it would be contingent upon taking down the top Bankster criminals and exposing them. It would not have been real to her so there was no point in saying it. However, the certainty with which I delivered my comment shook her because it was real to her. Of course having passed the grueling 6 hour written exam and gained an NASD Series 7 License does help. While I don't like argument by authority it can be useful in informal settings in establishing credibility.

The key point in approaching our less informed fellows is keeping it real to them. You and I can converse on topics and in detail that would be totally lost on the the average office worker or "man on the street" because we have the background knowledge to make it real. Unfortunately you have to spoonfeed them starting out. I'll use the "icewater dip" as I did with the HR geek where it might be effective - I was addressing the room as much as I was her so the point was to shake people out of their complacency. I don't make comments like that without reason since my objective is waking people not scaring them into a deeper retreat.

Oh, well I'm becoming a long winded fifty something again.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-28   0:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#17)

knowing all you know though, it must be hard at times to hold back?

christine  posted on  2009-08-28   1:07:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#23)

knowing all you know though, it must be hard at times to hold back?

Thanks. Yes and no. I can be patient when I have to, and since I know that doing it the wrong way is simply going to turn them away the temptation is slight. You can actually do quite a bit without having to give a dissertation. Simply pointing out that the two party fraud is a fraud is a quick one that gets people thinking. Knowing that about 50% of all political donations in national elections come from one Zip Code (Upper Manhattan) is a useful factoid. At this point most intelligent people are at least vaguely aware of that and stating it simply confirms a conclusion they had almost reached. Pointing out that the Environmental Groups are largely funded by the Robber Baron Foundations is way to get around a lefty's defenses, because they just hate that someone might have more that they do. There are a lot of little facts that are useful for getting around the brick overcoat of resistance but their use is often situationally dependent. Like a guy who told me I was kook for saying 911 was an inside job. I asked him what kind of plane hit WTC 7? It took a couple of days before it filtered in but the next time I spoke to him the implanted, by the media, knee jerk reaction was gone.

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