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Title: Judge Strikes Reference to God in Kentucky Law That Created The Kentucky Office of Homeland Security
Source: Associated Press
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Published: Aug 27, 2009
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2009-08-27 14:53:09 by Brian S
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Views: 2583
Comments: 91

Decision: Homeland Security's Dependence on "Almighty God" Akin to Establishing a Religion

(AP) It is one thing to trust in God, but quite another to be ordered to rely on protection from above during national emergencies, a judge has ruled.

Franklin Circuit Judge Thomas Wingate said in Wednesday's decision that references to a dependence on "Almighty God" in the law that created the Kentucky Office of Homeland Security is akin to establishing a religion, which the government is prohibited from doing in the U.S. and Kentucky constitutions. Ten Kentucky residents and a national atheist group sued to have the reference stricken.

"It is breathtakingly unconstitutional," said Edwin Kagin, national legal director for American Atheists Inc. in Union, "and Judge Wingate goes to great detail as to why it is."

The judge wrote in the 18-page ruling: "The statute pronounces very plainly that current citizens of the Commonwealth cannot be safe, neither now, nor in the future, without the aid of Almighty God. Even assuming that most of this nation's citizens have historically depended upon God, by choice, for their protection, this does not give the General Assembly the right to force citizens to do so now."

The language in the 2006 legislation had been inserted by state Rep. Tom Riner, D-Louisville, a pastor of Christ is King Baptist Church in Louisville.

Riner said he planned to ask Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway to seek a reconsideration of the order. Conway has 10 days to do that, and 30 days to appeal.

"They make the argument ... that it has to do with a religion," Riner said, "and promoting a religion. God is not a religion. God is God."

A spokeswoman for Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway says he has not yet decided whether to appeal.

The state Office of Homeland Security was created in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Wingate said in the order, and two amendments added to the statute creating the office were at issue.

One required that training materials include information that the General Assembly stressed a "dependence on Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth." The other required a plaque to be placed at the entrance to the state's Emergency Operations Center in Frankfort that said, in part, "the safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God."

Wingate noted in the order that there are 32 references to God or Almighty God in state statutes and the state constitution.

But the reference in the homeland security law "places an affirmative duty to rely on Almighty God for the protection of the Commonwealth," Wingate wrote. "This makes the statute exceptional among thousands of others, and therefore, unconstitutional."

Riner said he was not willing to consider rewording the phrases to make them pass muster.

"This is no small matter, the understanding that God is real," he said. "There are real benefits to acknowledging Him. There was not a single founder or framer of the Constitution who didn't believe that."

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#1. To: Brian S, Alan Chapman, christine, all (#0)

Fuck the atheists. They are a bunch of neurotic/psychotic screwballs who are scared shitless that someone, perhaps God, will hold them to account for their misdeeds. Thus their mania to attack religion and promote their atheism as the only acceptable belief.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-27   15:00:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Fuck the atheists. They are a bunch of neurotic/psychotic screwballs who are scared shitless that someone, perhaps God, will hold them to account for their misdeeds. Thus their mania to attack religion and promote their atheism as the only acceptable belief.

God is a myth buddy. Don't get all pissy because you are so afraid of death you have to make up an afterlife.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-27   15:31:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rhino369, Original_Intent (#2)

God is a myth buddy. Don't get all pissy because you are so afraid of death you have to make up an afterlife.

LOL.. So God is a Myth? That is down right funny, coming from the side that spends so much time and effort, fighting against nothing but a myth.. LOLOLOL

Refinersfire  posted on  2009-08-27   15:35:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Refinersfire (#4)

LOL.. So God is a Myth? That is down right funny, coming from the side that spends so much time and effort, fighting against nothing but a myth.. LOLOLOL

Yes God is a myth. Why is that so hard to believe. Even if you believe in a god, you must then believe all the other gods people believe in, have believed in, and will believe in are myths right? So whats so hard to believe yours is too.

While god is a myth, religion, and its followers are not.

For example the rednecks who wrote the Kentucky law think god is going to protect them from terrorists, who think god wants them to kill. And you've got idiots like bush who thinks god told him to invade Iraq. That's why people care if others believe in god.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-27   15:38:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rhino369, Original_Intent, Refinersfire (#6)

Yes God is a myth. Why is that so hard to believe. Even if you believe in a god, you must then believe all the other gods people believe in, have believed in, and will believe in are myths right?

Not really. A broader understanding of God and his nature does not negate other belief systems. The hard part is broadening your understanding of God. Try fitting M theory, string theory, space time and multiple universes into your concept of God. Is it possible that the unifying theory is actually God? Can you grasp the concept of God as the ultimate in evolution? A being who exists outside space time and multiple universes who is able to manipulate space time. Are you so sure that this possibility doesn't exist? Is your Earth still flat? Does your sun still revolve around the Earth? Can you so easily dismiss what has yet to be proved?

farmfriend  posted on  2009-08-27   15:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend (#11)

Not really. A broader understanding of God and his nature does not negate other belief systems. The hard part is broadening your understanding of God. Try fitting M theory, string theory, space time and multiple universes into your concept of God. Is it possible that the unifying theory is actually God?

If you broadened the definition of god to equal the universe and laws the physics, god as everyone else defines it is still a myth. At that point you are engaging in word play.

Can you grasp the concept of God as the ultimate in evolution? A being who exists outside space time and multiple universes who is able to manipulate space time. Are you so sure that this possibility doesn't exist?

Does the possibility exist, of course. But there isn't a single shred of evidence, nor a reason to believe it is true.

Is your Earth still flat? Does your sun still revolve around the Earth?

And how did man come to learn about the round earth, and the orbit on the planets? Not by blindly making shit and believing it without evidence. By using the scientific method.

Can you so easily dismiss what has yet to be proved?

It is rational to dimiss things for which no evidence exists. You dismiss dragons, because no evidence exists for them. You dismiss Zeus for the same reason.

Absolute knowledge is impossible. You can never prove anything absolutely. Saying you should believe in god until its proven he doesn't exist is silly.

You should only believe in things once credible evidence is shown. Its how humanity learns.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-27   15:58:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rhino369, Original_Intent (#17)

god as everyone else defines it is still a myth.

Not really. You lack understanding.

It is rational to dimiss things for which no evidence exists. You dismiss dragons, because no evidence exists for them.

You want to dismiss it and dismiss all evidence in favor. As I said before, the hard part is broadening your concepts.

As for dragons, they did exist. So did cyclops and griffins. They have found the bones. Dismissing such things as myths only serves to stop research.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-08-27   16:10:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#26)

As for dragons, they did exist. So did cyclops and griffins. They have found the bones. Dismissing such things as myths only serves to stop research.

Apparently you are willing to believe anything without regard to whether its true or not.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-27   16:27:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rhino369, Original_Intent (#37)

Apparently you are willing to believe anything without regard to whether its true or not.

Is Cyclops real? Author’s book touches on the age-old myth

By: Mark Bahm

In this book, Adrienne Mayor, a classicist specializing in ancient folklore, contends that the Greeks and Romans had a much more-extensive knowledge of the fossil remains of extinct animals than is usually admitted by modern writers.

This is due, she explains, to the fact that while paleontologists know their animal fossils, they normally have little familiarity with classical authors. And while classicists have mastered the ancient literature, they usually lack knowledge of paleontology.

In this fascinating volume, Mayor seeks to bridge the gap between the two disciplines.

One of the most-interesting topics in her book, “The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times,” is the possible influence of fossil discoveries on the development of classical folklore.

Mayor’s prime example of this is the griffin, a legendary creature with the head of an eagle and a lion-like body, sometimes depicted with wings and sometimes without. Legends depict the griffin as living deep in the mountains of central Asia, where they guarded hordes of gold from interlopers.

Greek authors claim to have acquired knowledge of the griffin from the Saka-Scythians, an Iranian tribe that in ancient times dominated the Eurasian steppes from the Ukraine to the western borders of China.

As it happens, the Greek word for griffin, “gryps,” is derived from an Iranian word, “giriften,” meaning “to grip, seize.” At the eastern edge of the Saka-Scythians’ domain are the Altay Mountains, which today mark the western border of Mongolia. The name Altay means “gold” in Mongolian, and the mountains do indeed contain rich gold deposits.

Furthermore, some 30 miles from the Altay Mountains, in the Gobi desert, an American paleontological expedition in 1922 discovered the fossil remains of the protoceratops, a lion-sized dinosaur ancestral to the much larger and better-known three-horned triceratops.

Proceratops, with its large-beaked hornless head, bears a striking resemblance to the griffin, is of roughly the same size and lived in exactly the same region, where its fossilized remains are often plainly visible, embedded in rock formations.

Thus, Mayor concludes that the griffin legend derives from Saka-Scythian stories passed on to the Greeks, stories which doubtless lost little dramatic interest in the retelling.

Another, much more fantastic creature of Greek legend also may have been derived from the fossil remains of ancient creatures. This is the Cyclops, the giant, one-eyed man-eating humanoid creature encountered, most famously, in the “Odyssey.”

Though extinct except in Africa by historical times, elephants had once been fairly common in the Mediterranean basin. The ancients are known to have found their remains, and these remains have a couple of peculiarities that may well have given rise to the Cyclops myth.

When found in a disarticulated jumble, as is usually the case, a fossilized elephant’s skeleton can easily be mistaken for the bones of a monstrous, man-like creature. In addition, an elephant skull, viewed from the front, resembles a human skull with a single “eye socket” in the forehead, just as with the Cyclopes.

This is in fact the area where the elephant’s trunk is attached to its skull. Elephant skulls often retain the tusks, and some sources credit the Cyclopes with being so equipped.

When the Greeks and Romans discovered large bones, they sometimes preserved and stored them.These were often thought to be the bones of ancient heroes. Heroes in the ancient world were not merely men who performed extraordinary deeds, but were demigods, altogether superior to mortal men in strength and stature. As Homer wrote of Telamonian Ajax in Book 12 of “the Iliad:”

“No man now alive could heft that stone

“in his two hands, not even someone young and strong,

“but Ajax raised it high, then hurled it, smashing

“(Epicles’) … helmet and completely crushing

“his entire skull.”

Thus, it seemed quite reasonable that large bones should belong to the great heroes of old. The earliest mention of the discovery of such bones is in Herodotus, who writes of the Spartan acquisition in about 560 B.C. of the 10-foot skeleton of Orestes, son of Agamemnon – probably in fact the bones of a mammoth. Many years later, Greek and Roman writers wrote of such finds, which were often displayed in temples, in effect as sacred relics.

The Roman Emperor Augustus (r. 31 B.C.-14 A.D.) established a museum at his villa at Capri to display giant bones. By this time, more “scientific” views had begun to take hold, and according to Augustus’ biographer Suetonius, many of these were known to be the bones of “normal” extinct animals.

However, Augustus still displayed what were claimed to be the tusks of the Calydonian Boar, a monstrous creature slain by Hercules.

One of the most helpful features of Mayor’s book is her discussion of ancient writers who made mention of finds of large bones.

These range from very well-known authors, such as Herodotus, Pliny the Elder and St. Augustine, to the less-famous, such as Diodorus of Sicily and Pausanias, to the downright obscure, like Palaephatus and Phlegon of Tralles.

By this detailed review of the many ancient mentions of such bones, Mayor demonstrates that discussion of fossils was an established part of classical intellectual discourse, and brings this often-neglected aspect of ancient thought to our attention.

Mark Bahm is a reference librarian at the Terrebonne Parish Main Library, 151 Library Drive, Houma. He can be reached at 876-5861. Book reviews represent the opinion of the writer and not necessarily of this newspaper.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-08-27   16:32:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: farmfriend (#43)

The article says Ancient Cultures found real remains of real species that were extinct, and then believed they were myths. It doesn't say, nor imply they were the actual mythical beasts the Romans and Greeks assumed they were.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-08-27   16:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#48. To: Rhino369 (#45)

The article says Ancient Cultures found real remains of real species that were extinct, and then believed they were myths. It doesn't say, nor imply they were the actual mythical beasts the Romans and Greeks assumed they were.

Now who is playing with words.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-08-27 16:37:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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