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Title: Global warming – much worse than we thought
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URL Source: http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/fe ... 93-much-worse-than-we-thought/
Published: Aug 30, 2009
Author: Ian McDonald
Post Date: 2009-08-30 12:00:30 by buckeroo
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In 2007 as many as 20,000 politicians, officials, international functionaries, journalists and activists attended the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, better known as the Bali Conference. That was a very great number of Neros assembled in one place complete with their fiddles. Ian McDonald The outcome of this conference, you will recall, was “hailed by governments as a success.” Which governments? And in what way can “a deal to start negotiations to adopt a new climate pact” be counted a success? Anyone can declare an intention to do something – but will it be done? Such deals are fundamentally meaningless. James Connaughton, Chairman of the White House Council on environmental quality at the time, speaking for the greatest Nero of them all, was quoted as saying triumphantly, “We now have one of the broadest negotiating agendas ever on climate change.” Well, hurrah, then, we agreed an agenda. And Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, was quoted as saying that Bali represented “an important basis for a good result.” Well, hurrah again, Bali achieved the basis of a good result. Not therefore a good result. In other words (words!) Bali was a draftsman’s paradise, as such conferences usually are, where the purpose always in the end becomes to stitch up a luxuriant fig leaf to cover complete nakedness. Shakespeare said it all about such windy, grandiloquent, useless conferences when he wrote the dialogue between two noblemen, Glendower and Hotspur, in the play Henry IV, Part One: Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep! Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man. But will they come when you do call for them? Indeed. What we saw at Bali is not a new thing. Throughout history rulers have believed (or pretended to believe) that the announcement of good intentions is the equivalent to the solution of problems. What is perhaps new in our age is that this tendency has hardened and crystallized into a way of life for multitudes of experts, advisers, consultants and other important people who live and work and find their motivation in a sphere remote from the real world. There exists in the world today two entirely separate spheres of activity. One is the sphere of rhetoric, impressive prepared speeches, mutual backslapping, declarations of good intent, and agreed communiqués. The other sphere is the sphere of reality, cold hard facts, military and economic strength, tough commercial negotiations, payment by results, cash down and the bottom line. Each of these spheres function quite separately, has its own apparatus of power and influence, administers its own procedures and proceedings, sets its own objectives and achieves its own successes. They are quite self-contained. There seems to be little, if any, spillover from one sphere into the other. Progress is only made when a way is found to connect the sphere of good intentions with the sphere of practical results. Failing that, the spirits of doable compromise and real progress will always remain imprisoned in the vasty deep of interminable talk-shops. The Bali Conference could only have been judged a success if it had achieved two things leading directly to the reduction of greenhouse-gas emissions, the increase of which is already causing disasters brought about by global warming and climate change and the acceleration of which, unless halted, will in a couple of ticks of historical time lead to worldwide catastrophe, a great if not final extinction. Above all, the conference should have agreed time-tabled targets for cutting the emissions. Europe to its credit was prepared to set such targets but America, the greatest culprit, would not do so while George Bush was President. So no targets were set. There is another way of acting against disastrous climate change. Since tropical de-forestation causes 20% of greenhouse-gas emissions, steps to reduce, halt, reverse this process will obviously be very valuable to the world as a whole. So there should have been agreement to give incentives, a “preservation dividend,” to careful developing countries, like Guyana, for not deforesting our land. But of course no such thing was agreed. Since Bali, precious time has elapsed and the climate change crisis has got much worse much more rapidly than expected. The International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) now reports that the loss of Arctic ice is well ahead of previous forecasts. And Greenland’s glaciers are now estimated to be melting faster than forecast a short time ago. So while the IPCC projected previously that sea levels would rise 16 inches this century it now forecasts a rise of 39 inches. To make matters worse, experts now despair that global warming can be held to an increase of 2 degrees Celsius which, if exceeded, will cause more widespread droughts and increasingly violent storms, devastate agriculture in many areas and make the planet warmer than it has been in millions of years. The world is flooding and burning up at an accelerating pace. Copenhagen in December 2009 where a deal, and not just a deal to agree a deal, is to be hammered out is now just around the corner. Talking while the world burns will not be enough. By then Nature will have taken another few steps along its own determined way to solve the problem – by the eventual elimination of that rather stupid species, mankind.
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#1. To: buckeroo, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)
You really have to laugh at these things. We sit at historic CO2 lows for the planet but in increase will KILL US ALL!!! Right. (/sarcasm)
Where do they get this crap? Computer models I'm sure.
It is true, too. In fact, the models (supported by fact) show that ever since man decided to clear land for agricultural considerations, the CO2 caused by the clearing throughout Europe initiated global warming. It is written in the amount of methane gas trapped in ice. The issue transcends even the historical Industrial Revolution.
LOL. This is such male bovine excrement. You need to come join me on the climate forums so you can learn from real scientists.
Haven't Russia and China already announced that they were going to take a pass on this next circus and whatever comes of it?
...sounds interesting; would you mention a site, please? Thanks -
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick
Yes. I think India has as well. This whole AGW hoax has absolutely nothing to do with the environment. I find it fascinating that people who understand and believe in the general global conspiracy for elitist control buy into the power play.
Yes, I can do that. There are two worth consideration. One takes a degree of some sort to join, the other is a web forum such as this one. There are many crossover members though. Global Warming Skeptics Climate Sceptics Also there are some great blogs. Watts up with that is probably the best but there are others I can give you.
What a pant load. This issue is so transendental that it doesn't make a dent in the globalist agenda. The notion of sending resources millions of miles around the globe to park them where ever the labor is cheapest and the ship them millions of more miles after production to line the pockets of gloablist hacks continues UNABATED. It cracks me up that the crew that cries big crocodile tears over global warming refuses to take the biggest contributors to task. What a bunch of hypocrites!! Slap a bumber sticker on the Suburban and continue shopping at Walmart.
Look what global warming did to Eddie Munster.
Recommended site: Icecap
The Bali Conference could only have been judged a success if it had achieved two things leading directly to the reduction of greenhouse-gas emissions, the increase of which is already causing disasters brought about by global warming and climate change and the acceleration of which, unless halted, will in a couple of ticks of historical time lead to worldwide catastrophe, a great if not final extinction.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#2. To: buckeroo (#0)
Since tropical de-forestation causes 20% of greenhouse-gas emissions
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#3. To: farmfriend (#2)
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#5. To: farmfriend. all (#1)
#6. To: farmfriend (#4)
join me on the climate forums
#7. To: Lod (#5)
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#8. To: Bub, buckeroo (#6)
...sounds interesting; would you mention a site, please? Thanks -
That's the basic forum. Anyone can join.
This is a yahoo group that takes a degree to get into. Mentioning you know Maggie will help. The format sucks and is done all through email.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#9. To: buckeroo (#3)
The issue transcends even the historical Industrial Revolution.
#10. To: buckeroo (#0)
#11. To: Bub (#6)
 | "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis |
#12. To: farmfriend (#8)
Requires a degree? Most of the idiocy being proposed comes from nitwits with degrees.
#13. To: sourcery (#11)
sorcery and Farmfriend - thanks and thanks. It's always a comfort to share the foxhole with others...
"The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." lodwick
#14. To: Lod (#12)
This is true and these scientists would be the first to agree with you.
Most of the idiocy being proposed comes from nitwits with degrees.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#15. To: sourcery, Bub, buckeroo (#11)
Yes that's a good one. Climate Audit is also good. Others include: Global warming Dr. Spencer's site. Very good. Recommended site: Icecap
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#16. To: buckeroo (#0)
Plant more C02 eating trees. Chomp, chomp. Morenga would be a good one for those warmer, dryer climates, and will help feed yourself and any herbivores you might have as pets.
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
It is even simpler than that. Allow the farmers to grow hemp. Good for sucking CO2, good defense on soil erosion, good growth on less water, good for production of more than a thousand industrial goods, one of the finest protiens produced for human consumption.
Plant more C02 eating trees.
#18. To: abraxas (#17)
I don't know about that as getting the laws changed would be no simple task.
It is even simpler than that. Allow the farmers to grow hemp. Good for sucking CO2, good defense on soil erosion, good growth on less water, good for production of more than a thousand industrial goods, one of the finest protiens produced for human consumption.
#19. To: mininggold. all (#18)
Frank and Paul have the bill introduced in the House to once more let us grow industrial hemp here. No clue how it's doing, or not.
I don't know about that as getting the laws changed would be no simple task.
#20. To: Lod, mininggold (#19)
LOL now there is an odd combination.
Frank and Paul
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#21. To: Lod (#19)
No clue how it's doing, or not. It's all about convenience...for drug enforcement that is. How do you expect them to be able to tell the difference when some can't even tell the difference between marijuana and Black Walnut seedlings?
Frank and Paul have the bill introduced in the House to once more let us grow industrial hemp here.
#22. To: mininggold, Lod (#21)
LOL. We had a beautiful black walnut tree in our back yard in Susanville. Tough little nuts I tell you. You had to hit them just right with a hammer in order to break them open.
some can't even tell the difference between marijuana and Black Walnut seedlings?
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#23. To: farmfriend (#22)
When I was a kid we gathered them up and sold them for five bucks a 50 gallon sack to buyers who reportedly sold them to the feed mills for cow feed. I did pretty well and was able to pay for my college tuition and books with the proceeds. Now they just rot on the roadside and the squirrels bury them in my pots.
LOL. We had a beautiful black walnut tree in our back yard in Susanville. Tough little nuts I tell you. You had to hit them just right with a hammer in order to break them open.
#24. To: farmfriend. all (#20)
Yes - amazing the allies you sometimes have to go to battle with.
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
I wish that fat, lying, useless, douchebag would choke to death eating his next Krispy Kreme Donut. I truly hate that assclown, and will happily watch him burn in hell.
Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.
#26. To: buckeroo (#0)
There is no global warming. We're back into global cooling, which is much much much worse than global warming.
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#27. To: mininggold (#23)
I have that problem with acorns. I have little oak trees coming up everywhere.
Now they just rot on the roadside and the squirrels bury them in my pots.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#28. To: Turtle, buckeroo (#26)
This is true. The little warming we did have didn't even compare to the medieval warm period which was also called climate optimum. Can you say renaissance boys and girls?
We're back into global cooling, which is much much much worse than global warming.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#29. To: buckeroo (#0)
Ohh my, there is so much BS in that article I dont know where to start.
Does anyone still listen to the IPCC?
Every prediction by the Warmers has failed. We cant even accurately predict the local weather, yet somehow we can predict the global climate 10 years from now?
I dont think so.
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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#30. To: farmfriend (#28)
And vineyards all over Britain and some even in Greenland. I can't believe an article on global warming doesn't mention even once that strange orb in the sky that mysteriously brings heat when it appears and cooler temps when it disappears.
This is true. The little warming we did have didn't even compare to the medieval warm period which was also called climate optimum. Can you say renaissance boys and girls?
#31. To: mininggold (#30)
Haven't you heard? There is consensus that the sun has nothing to do with climate.
I can't believe an article on global warming doesn't mention even once that strange orb in the sky that mysteriously brings heat when it appears and cooler temps when it disappears.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#32. To: abraxas (#9)
I don't care about the politics of the issue at the moment; in fact, politicizing the technical and scientific issues actually creates a similar distaste about the phenomena altogether. Still global warming is a fact and the ramifications are underestimated; the ramifications are not good for life as we know it, either.
... it doesn't make a dent in the globalist agenda.
#33. To: buckeroo (#32)
No it isn't. It is a myth created by the global elite. Even it if was the ramifications would be renaissance just like last time. Cold is a much bigger problem and that is where we are headed.
Still global warming is a fact and the ramifications are underestimated;
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#34. To: buckeroo (#32)
Buck....God created Adam and Eve naked. It must have been pretty warm out. Buck your support of watermelons is disappointing. Buck there is plant life under antartica buried in the ice and snow. It must have used to be warmer then it is currently. Buck global warming isn't a fact. This was the coolest summer in over 2 decades in my state.
Still global warming is a fact and the ramifications are underestimated; the ramifications are not good for life as we know it, either.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#35. To: mininggold (#16)
But the problems are not just a function of CO2 emissions and creating a solution such as spreading MORE trees around like a sponge sucking up water. It is just the opposite as mankind eliminates thousands of hectares/year for plant growth making way for "modern civilization." There is no way to keep the replenishment UP while the chopping and fires are even greater than replacement. And the contributions of the clearing process are not just a matter of some dead trees burning giving off CO2 emissions anyway. It is about methane gases emitted and other noxious reactive elements that are not absorbed. But nice try......
Plant more C02 eating trees.
#36. To: farmfriend (#31)
Hmmmm, perhaps you should wake me up when we get back to the universe revolving around the flat earth. Gotta run, there's a witch burning tonight.
Haven't you heard? There is consensus that the sun has nothing to do with climate.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#37. To: Esso (#36)
You do realize I was being sarcastic don't you?
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#38. To: buckeroo (#35) (Edited)
There is no way to keep the replenishment UP while the chopping and fires are even greater than replacement. And the contributions of the clearing process are not just a matter of some dead trees burning giving off CO2 emissions anyway. It is about methane gases emitted and other noxious reactive elements that are not absorbed. But nice try...... So what is wrong with planting a few more trees. You have anything against that? or is it too much like the little guy doing what he can. Methane gas is also formed from normal earth processes as they are also finding is oil, and is found found at the deepest levels of mines and oceans in abundance (where it forms methane lakes held in place by oceanic pressures) and even on Titan where it is a frozen form. I wonder how that can be since these places tend to have very few human inhabitants and definitely no wood fires.
But the problems are not just a function of CO2 emissions and creating a solution such as spreading MORE trees around like a sponge sucking up water. It is just the opposite as mankind eliminates thousands of hectares/year for plant growth making way for "modern civilization."
#39. To: mininggold, buckeroo (#38)
Hewlett and Packard foundations gave over 130 million to Stanford to research extraction of methane hydrates and are directly tied in with Exxon/Mobil in that effort. The idea is that they can use the energy revenues and the carbon credits for removing a principal source of atmospheric methane, a powerful greenhouse gas. They needed Kyoto or this would be a big loser of an investment. Cap and trade anyone?
Methane gas is also formed from normal earth processes as they are also finding is oil, and is found found at the deepest levels of mines and oceans in abundance (where it forms methane lakes held in place by oceanic pressures) and even on Titan where it is a frozen form.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#40. To: Bub (#13)
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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