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Title: Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.
Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com
URL Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496625/pg1
Published: Aug 30, 2009
Author: abovetopsecret.com
Post Date: 2009-08-30 19:46:20 by freepatriot32
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Keywords: Obamacare, Coverage, implantable, microchip.
Views: 1961
Comments: 57

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1), 16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized 17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of 18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health 19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the 20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually??????

And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????

SOURCE: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text Subscribe to *libertarians*

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#3. To: freepatriot32, psusa (#0)

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I tried to click on the original link referenced (here http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text ) and it froze my computer. and i have a brand new computer, which has never frozen up for anything. so i dont know what sort of bs link that is but until otherwise proven with an actual link, the story is bogus. if anyone can find a link to an actual bill that says microchips are mandatory, (doubtful) please post the direct link.

Artisan  posted on  2009-08-30   20:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Artisan, all (#3) (Edited)

froze my computer

It's not a BS link. Are you running a script blocker?


‘National Medical Device Registry

1 ‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--

‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

‘(B) is--

‘(i) a class III device; or

‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.


See how (ii) is written. It says "or" and not "and". So the way I read this, it is for chips.

BUT, the title of the article is misleading if they are using this to force people to get chipped. It does not say that.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-31   7:07:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA, tom007, AKA Stone, original_intent, christine, jethro tull, noone222, rotara (#7)

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

‘National Medical Device Registry

1 ‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--

‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

‘(B) is--

‘(i) a class III device; or

‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

Thanks for the reply.

Let's get one thing straight. i have no doubt that the govt is evil and will eventually, someday, try to mark people. however,

establishing a medical device registry (to facilitate analysis) on each device that is a class II or III which has been used on a patient

DOES NOT 'dictate' that anyone get a 'class II' device (microchip). I agree with tom007 that the claim made in the article is nonsense. The notion that the govt will mandate everyone to be microchipped is years off at the very least and several generations afar.

A year and a half from now, in March 2011, or in 3 years, or 5, when we will not be in camps, or microchipped, everyone can come back to this thread and laugh about how silly this fear mongering was.

how many threads have people posted in the past 5 years that opine 'all is over' or the end is near, etc. never happens and it just serves to discredit the liberty movement to outsiders , IMO. I tend to agree with ron paul on this that it is simply an idealogical battle .. the state vs the people, as the book puts it.. and their tactic is gradualism.

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#10. To: Artisan (#9)

A year and a half from now, in March 2011, or in 3 years, or 5, when we will not be in camps, or microchipped, everyone can come back to this thread and laugh about how silly this fear mongering was.

It's a shame that people do that. There is no excuse for this when it is so easily verifiable that the title of the OP was bogus. I guess he wrote that thinking people would be too lazy to check the source and just take his word for it.

Things are bad enough as they are, and will only get worse. There is no need to make up things like this. I have to question the motives of people that do it.

But I have to say, I dont think we'll make it another 18 months to laugh at anything. I can't see it all lasting that long and I don't think it will be funny at all.

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