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Title: Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.
Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com
URL Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496625/pg1
Published: Aug 30, 2009
Author: abovetopsecret.com
Post Date: 2009-08-30 19:46:20 by freepatriot32
Ping List: *libertarians*     Subscribe to *libertarians*
Keywords: Obamacare, Coverage, implantable, microchip.
Views: 2016
Comments: 57

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1), 16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized 17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of 18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health 19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the 20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually??????

And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????

SOURCE: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text Subscribe to *libertarians*

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#5. To: freepatriot32 (#0)

More neocon nutter fear mongering, IMO.

And there is a lot of that these days.

tom007  posted on  2009-08-30   21:11:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tom007, freepatriot32, christine, all (#5)

More neocon nutter fear mongering, IMO.

And there is a lot of that these days.

So, are you saying the quoted text out of the bill is not text quoted out of the bill?

Uh, Tommy your infatuation with State Kontrolled Hellthcare has taken you over the deep end. Now you are denying things written into the text of the bill are not things written into the text of the bill. You want State Kontrolled Hellthcare so bad that you have disengaged your analytic capabilities and are operating under a purely reactive knee jerk response mechanism.

Rule 1. State Controlled Hellthcare is always good.

Rule 2. In the event contrary evidence is presented refer to "Rule 1.".

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-31   11:15:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#11)

your post wasn't addressed to me, but I think it's clear that the text in the bill (see #9 above) does not equate to the author's claim that "Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip". Hence, i think the article is well intentioned, and is relevent info, but the conclusion drawn is misleading and innacurate.

the fact that a database of microchips in patients is established in the bill is indeed relevent info.

Artisan  posted on  2009-08-31   11:36:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Artisan (#13) (Edited)

As was pointed out earlier in the thread under the incrementalism practiced in other programs to slowly, methodically, step by step, implement such programs its mere presence in the bill implies a future incremental step making it mandatory. So, while the title might be slightly hyperbolic in current context it portends such a move as a future incremental step.

The Income Tax began as a 16 Page Bill which covered only the wealthiest half a percent or so.

It now takes from all levels in a minimum percentage nearly 4 times the original 4% taken from only the very very wealthy.

Income Tax Withholding began during WWII as a temporary necessity (or so it was claimed). Has it gone away yet?

Social Security began as a safety net which was even a smaller percentage (about 1.5% if memory serves) and is now about ten times the original and going broke because of Government Malfeasance which in a private trustee would be called fraud meriting jail time if convicted.

The biggest problems I have with Nationalized Hellthcare are:

1. It locks in the current players as the only players i.e., Big Pharma and Big Insurance.

2. It requires, mandates, that someone must pay one of the approved insurers for an inferior product, while locking in Big Pharma's Oligopic Control over what "medicines" are allowed.

3. It eventually will outlaw all private arrangements.

4. It is aimed at destroying alternatives to Big Insurance and Big Pharma by not including alternatives to their toxic products.

5. It requires, by confiscatory fees, the subsidy, forced, of some individuals by other individuals without regard of what ill affects it might have on the well being of those required to pay, under penalty of law, for the benefit of others.

6. Government through its past actions, which are easily demonstrable by anyone caring to look, is dominated by the interests who would most benefit and that is NOT the covered. Therefore any bill in the current environment will be tailored to maximize the benefit to those interests at the expense of everyone else.

And I could go on but will forego the impulse.

The bottom line is that any bill coming out of this Congress will be written so as to maximize government control and profits to Big Insurance and Big Pharma and pipe dreams to the contrary will not change that.

People can HOPE for CHANGE in one hand and shit in the other and I think we know which one will fill up first.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-31   11:59:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#14)

As was pointed out earlier in the thread under the incrementalism practiced in other programs to slowly, methodically, step by step, implement such programs its mere presence in the bill implies a future incremental step making it mandatory. So, while the title might be slightly hyperbolic in current context it portends such a move as a future incremental step.

fair enough. I guess i am a stickler for details, as in, precisely what does a law (or in this case, proposed law,) say.

aside, i do not connect this discussion of rfid with support of govt healthcare, since i would never support that regardless of what's in the bill.

Artisan  posted on  2009-08-31   12:17:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Artisan (#19)

aside, i do not connect this discussion of rfid with support of govt healthcare, since i would never support that regardless of what's in the bill.

You have to back up and assume a global perspective. One of the things that woke me up to just how big the real threat is was the dawning awareness that all of these actions are interconnected into an overall view and set of plans and policies. RFID, "Real ID", "Chipped Passports", and Chipped Patients are all interrelated and evince a common goal.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-31   12:20:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#21)

oh i understand the rfid menace, and agree with you about it. i was just being strictly specific about what this bill specifically says. and it does not say that future govt health care recipients must be microchipped.

i realize that is what the govt wants., and am a supporter and promotor of spychips and dr albrecht. i'm just sayin...

maybe it is the way i think about & deal the law very extremely specifically. words are very important. i am very precise & literal in these things. that is how i win in court so many times. i hope i have explained my position. i am not a skeptic or naysayer of the govt / beast rfid conspiracy.

Artisan  posted on  2009-08-31   12:25:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#22)

Oh, I understand what you are saying, and as you may have noted I am very careful in my choice of words for nuance and effect, but you need to compare datums of similar magnitude, weight past actions of the players, and project into the future the likely consequences of a given set of actions. Thus one may, I believe, logically infer that well meaning people's hopes to the contrary, that this Hellthcare is nothing more than an extension of the Control Grid already being constructed (and much of which is alredy in place).

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-08-31   12:31:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#31. To: Original_Intent (#24) (Edited)

Thus one may, I believe, logically infer that well meaning people's hopes to the contrary, that this Hellthcare is nothing more than an extension of the Control Grid already being constructed (and much of which is alredy in place).

It's amazing how many people can't face the reality.

I know it's horrible, but it is what IS and we have to deal with THEM while We still can.

IMO

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