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Title: Was Jesus Christ A Jew?
Source: Thee Plane Truth
URL Source: http://plaintruthmagazine.blogspot. ... 9/08/was-jesus-christ-jew.html
Published: Aug 30, 2009
Author: David Ben-Ariel
Post Date: 2009-08-30 22:41:12 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 697
Comments: 44

Is it a sin to be a Jew? This article will expose the hate-the-Jew campaign cleverly masquerading as a patriotic “Christian” crusade! Adolph Hitler once said: “Tell a lie BIG enough and often enough and the people will believe it!”

Today, it is fashionable to hate the evils of atheistic communism, which would like to enslave the whole world and destroy Christianity. Never in the history of Christianity has a more vicious doctrine been propagated than the “Big Lie” about the Jew. This lie strikes as the very nature and office of Jesus Christ!

It is time we had the truth. It is time we examine the Proof. Your salvation is at stake, for if Jesus were not a Jew, then He was an impostor and you have no Saviour!

Before we can prove whether Jesus was a Jew, we must first know what a Jew is. The anti-Semitic smear campaign, which appeals to the emotions and not to sound reason, is spreading the doctrine that Jews are not really Jews. (Remember Hitler’s technique? -- the Big Lie. It is the same as saying that Germans are not really Germans.)

Therefore, it is further contended that Jesus was not a Jew. Here is how the many peddlers of this hate-the-Jew doctrine reason. The argument begins with the propaganda that Jews are really not Jews at all, but Asiatic Gentiles, from Russia.

In 1951 a fascist newspaper in New Jersey misnamed “Common Sense” wrote this: “Americans are not told that of the total Jewish population of the world more than 88% are the direct lineal descendants of the Asiatic, Mongoloid, barbarian tribal nation (the Khazars) which was converted to Judaism in the 7th century.”

Of course most Americans are not told this presumed fact, because it is not true! Notice that the technique of this anti-Semitic and anti-Christian propaganda is to imply that you haven’t been told the truth. The statement I quoted does not prove that over 88% of the Jews are really Asiatic barbarians, it merely implies it. It sounds convincing, but it is not true. It is a “big lie.”

The true facts, which you can verify in any reputable history book, are that the Jews, long after they were driven into captivity from Palestine, migrated throughout the Roman Empire. Following later medieval religious persecution they migrated en masse to Russia from Central Europe. The Jews are not the native Mongoloid Khazar Gentiles of Southern Russia, which were converted to Judaism in the 7th century. Those Gentiles were conquered by Russia, lost their adopted Judaic religion under Russian Orthodox oppression, and still dwell around the Black Sea today! See the Encyclopedia Britannica, article “Khazars.”

The article continues by blatantly stating: “Christian Americans are not told that less than 4% of the Jewish population of the world are legitimately Semites. Christian Americans are not told that 96% of the Jewish population of the world never at any time in their history had a racial or historic connection with the Semites in Palestine -- history proves that.”

History proves no such accusation. These statements are deliberate lies. Notice again the deceptive plot to use the Big Lie, to use percentages that seem accurate, but have no basis whatsoever in fact. This is the same technique that the serpent used on Eve in the garden of Eden, saying “Yea, God did not tell you that ‘you shall not surely die,’ ” Satan didn’t prove anything to Eve. He appealed to emotion and used the clever deception of the Big Lie, and Eve believed it! And thousands fall for the same lying propaganda today.

There is a subtle reason for implying that almost all Jews are barbarians from Russia masquerading as Jews. It is an attempt of fascists to direct attention away from themselves by pinning the label of communism on all Jews. Since Communism is associated with Russia, the technique is to associate the Jews with Russia. That implies that Jews are Communists.

The flaw in this reasoning is that communists constitute a political party, not a race. Of course there are Jewish communists, so are there German communists, French communists, and Chinese communists, Italian, English and American communists. Communism is a worldwide conspiracy to enslave man to the communist party. It is not a racial or Jewish conspiracy.

The Bible Defines a Jew

It is further taught that the word Jew was coined in the 17th century in the English language, and that therefore Jesus was not a Jew because He lived about 16 centuries before the word Jew was formed by English-speaking people!

Yet these same anti-Semites claim that the Jews killed Christ! Let’s understand the truth. The word Jew is merely a late English form, and a shortened form, of an older English word Judean. The word Judean means a man descended from the patriarch Judah or one descended nationally from the House of Judah, Kingdom of Judah. Christ descended from Judah. He was a Judean. He was therefore a Jew! Nothing could be plainer.... Click here to continue reading

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#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)

The pope has ruby red gucci shoes, so I can't see that happening.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-30   22:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Adolph Hitler once said: “Tell a lie BIG enough and often enough and the people will believe it!”

No he didn't, you idiot.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-08-30   23:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I'm Christian.
Jesus was a Jew, and established a new covenant.
I do not see how people can blame the Jews for his death. He knew he would die, that was part of the deal.

The Jews are our brothers, and God loves them as much as us.

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"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2009-08-30   23:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Armstrongism and the Worldwide Church of God

WHERE THIS CULT ORIGINATED

www.jonesthebaptist.com/F...ts%20pdf/Armstrongism.pdf

www.hwarmstrong.com/

www.biblelineministries.o...=THE+CULT+OF+ARMSTRONGISM

www.cults-a-la-carte.com/...rmstrong-Worldwide/Detail

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-08-30   23:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Armadillo (#5)

The Jews are our brothers

I hope you are differentiating between real Jews and the fake Zionist Jews.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-08-30   23:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Armadillo (#5)

I do not see how people can blame the Jews for his death. He knew he would die, that was part of the deal.

And that goes for Pontius Pilate as well. If it weren't for him, all of you saved Christians would be going straight to hell.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-08-30   23:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#8)

Hell exists?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-30   23:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Hell exists?

So I'm told.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-08-30   23:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#10)

Yeah, I was told it was a lake of fire where tortured souls remain for eternity never as much as suffering a 3rd degree burn.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-08-30   23:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Why wasn’t Jesus a Jew? Here is why: jesuswasnotajew.com/

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-08-30   23:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Armadillo (#5)

He knew he would die, that was part of the deal.

The Jews are our brothers, and God loves them as much as us.

~ if God says them folk are gonna kill His Son ... do the folks really have a choice? same with Judas ... the Son of God tells him he's gonna do sumthin, could he have said, "No." ?

~ I don't hate all the Jews myself, just the 1/2 dozen that robbed me over the years, with great skill 'n no remorse, bragging later of how it's their right, because they were chosen to use stupid, animal non-Jews like me ...


~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~

Amandil  posted on  2009-08-31   1:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Armadillo (#5)

The Jews are our brothers, and God loves them as much as us.

From what I can see has happen to the "chosen people" in the past I would get a new god if I were them. They one they have appears to be not doing a very good job.

mininggold  posted on  2009-08-31   1:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Itistoolate (#12)

If Jesus wasn't a Jew. You aren't saved. To say he wasn't is utter stupidity.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   7:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Most of the time those that obsess over this subject are either "so-called" Jews that refuse to claim the curse their forebearers put on them ["let his blood be upon us AND OUR CHILDREN"] or people that haven't searched history and the Scriptures to show themselves APPROVED.

When one does enough research to make a completed determination relative to the subject at hand, one discovers that "Babylonians" converted certain of the tribe of Judah and Benjamin while in captivity to "THE TRADITIONS OF MEN" (or Babylonian Commercial/Satanic Laws/BABYLONIAN TALMUD) THAT MAKE MY FATHER'S LAWS OF NO EFFECT".

Even Christ Himself said when speaking to the Roman, Pontius Pilate, that "those that brought me to you have the greater sin".

Another consideration that develops after serious study is that when the birthright was given by Jacob/Israel to his heirs, Judah was given the "scepter" (rulership/kingship) AND the LAW MAKING AUTHORITY. Then, Judah had twin sons that would inherit this birthright (Pharez and Zarah). It's very possible that one of the descendants of Zarah went with the 10 Northern Tribes as their King which would have separated them from the Babylonian conversion.

There is NO MENTION OF THE SYNAGOGUE in the Old Testament. (Excepting one mistranslation in Psalms). The Synagogues didn't appear in Jerusalem/Palestine until AFTER THE RETURN OF THOSE CONVERTED TO THE TALMUDIC TRADITIONS OF MEN (that Jesus fought against and was murdered over) IN BABYLON.

At any rate the "deeds" or the "fruit" are to be judged according to Jesus. And while many races are interested in killing for profit, the "so called" Jews are disproportionately represented and have the longest and broadest history of said behavior.

The Babylonians were dispersed throughout the world. Some later claimed to be "Jews", but there are others lurking amongst the Catholic Popes, the Masonic Illuminists, and the various Intelligence agencies.

A K A Stone is a disinfo agent interested in maintaining the "BIG LIE" that calls evil - good, death - life, imprisonment - freedom, and Jews - Israelites.

Modern Jewry descends from EDOM/ESAU according to their own Jewish Encyclopedia. The Scriptures indicate that God hated ESAU in his mother's womb and the Book of Obadiah states that no Edomite will enter the Kingdom of God.

I found the study far more interesting than arguing continually with people that like to argue more than know the truth, so I generally prefer to ignore the argument altogether.

Itistoolate posted some informative video that does a good job of explaining some things on this subject. But in the end, when God delivers the conclusion to the historic and miraculous story of His PEOPLE ISRAEL ... the world will comprehend his (her-their) awesome power and authority.

I think it's presumptuous and egotistical to claim a complete understanding of God's intentions, but it's suicidal to ignore the behavior of a cancer existing in our society irrespective of ethnicity.

One thing is certain, God, while demonstrating patience will not be mocked.

The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity for a pound of flesh.

noone222  posted on  2009-08-31   7:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#16)

There is NO MENTION OF THE SYNAGOGUE in the Old Testament.

Your a liar. You people who hate Jews hate the People who Jesus said he came for and would never abandon. Get over your hatred of Jews and you may make it yet. Those who hate wont enter the kingdom of Heaven. You are not an impressive person at all. Not in the least.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   7:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: noone222, all (#16)

To all who read this thread. It is important to know where this noone222's mind is. She is an evil nazi with fantasies about "eradicating all the Jews" That is right she wants them all dead. Will at least most of them. If you are a Jew that criticizes other Jews then you might get to live under her vision. The woman is not a christian. Here is a link to here quote.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=103652&Disp=122&Trace=on#C122

Oh yes the little nazi bitch also said she would like to see Israel nuked. So don't pay this little tramp any heed.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   8:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#16)

I am in awe of your patience...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-31   8:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Oh yes the little ... also said she would like to see Israel nuked.

And YOU said you want to shove a taser up a cops ass. Kinky!!!!!

Did you mean that literally???

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-31   8:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#19)

I am in awe of your patience...

Aww, patience is a virtue ... thanks !

The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity for a pound of flesh.

noone222  posted on  2009-08-31   8:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#20)

When a cop murders someone with a tazer I support tazering them too. Up the ass, in the mouth anywhere and everywhere.

For you to compare justly punishing someone for their actions to the genocide of a nation is breathtaking. You share some of her delusional beliefs about Jews. I consider her much more evil then you though. You have some redeeming values. Noone222 on the other hand has an.....lets say fitting screen name. For she is definately a noone. Useless eater.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   8:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#22)

I consider her much more evil then you though.

WHEW! That was a close call...

You also forgot to mention that she mentioned the innocent jews in that post you linked to.

And I don't think anyone, including noone222, really wants "israel" nuked. There are Palestinians there that would get hurt.

But I bet not too many would shed any tears if the genocidal insane "israel" failed as a state due to their own actions.

But if others end up destroying it, then they asked for it.

Personally, I'd prefer a trade, of sorts. Send all the jews and "christian" zionists here to "israel" and they can send all the Palestinians here.

It would be a definite breath of fresh air.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-31   9:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

The reason God turned against the Jews was because they did not live of to God's covenants ...any and all trust God had in the Jews died at the foot of the cross a fact you still dispute looking at the Jews today one can understand why they are not God's chosen a State and a people that is corrupt and immoral from a PM just charged with corruption to State sponsored abortion to world wide financial corruption

robnoel  posted on  2009-08-31   9:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: robnoel (#24)

The reason God turned against the Jews was because they did not live of to God's covenants ..

You are correct that they didn't live up to their covenants. But to say that God turned on the Jews is not accurate. Go back and read what Jesus said about never abandoning the jews. Who knows maybe you are capalbe of learnng something. If I had more time I would look up a verse for you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   10:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)

Go back and read what Jesus said about never abandoning the jews.

Luke 13: 34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

Is THAT the one you were thinking of???

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-08-31   10:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#25)

Jeremiah 18:10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

robnoel  posted on  2009-08-31   10:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The word Jew is merely a late English form, and a shortened form, of an older English word Judean. The word Judean means a man descended from the patriarch Judah or one descended nationally from the House of Judah, Kingdom of Judah. Christ descended from Judah. He was a Judean. He was therefore a Jew! Nothing could be plainer..

Christ was born and raised in Gallilee, not Judea. Even my eight year old knows that.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2009-08-31   12:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: All, noone222 (#28)

"Standard Dictionary of Facts" ... wherein this "fact" states that Jesus was the King of the Israelites (not Jews).

christine  posted on  2009-08-31   12:49:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rube Goldberg (#28)

He was also known as Jesus of Nazareth and as a Nazarene ... many times the Bible makes reference to his being sought by the "Jews" ... or that the "Jews" wanted to kill him or "he couldn't walk amongst the "Jews" ... the way these things are stated makes it hard to see Jesus as a member of this group.

The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity for a pound of flesh.

noone222  posted on  2009-08-31   12:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine (#29)

Great job Christine ... thanks, I appreciate it.

The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity for a pound of flesh.

noone222  posted on  2009-08-31   12:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: noone222 (#30)

He was also known as Jesus of Nazareth and as a Nazarene

I think that you will find that Nazareth is in Galilee.

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2009-08-31   16:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#25) (Edited)

to say that God turned on the Jews is not accurate.

To the Jews:

Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.

12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

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To His disciples:

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. ... bible.cc/john/15-15.htm

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. bible.cc/john/15-16.htm

The disciples to the Jews:

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

>>>>>

You aren't doing them, or yourself, or us, or the rest of the world any favors by confirming them in their disbelief:

Matthew 21:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

bible.cc/matthew/23-13.htm

Judaism is the religion of the ancient Pharisees: " The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia tells us, "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent without a break through all the centuries from the Pharisees."

"....when Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees (LUKE 12:1), He was not referring simply to the taking on of their characteristics: He meant Phariseeism itself. Leaven of course, symbolises something which spreads until it pervades the whole.

It is undoubtedly true that most Christian folk think of the Pharisees as a small insignificant Jewish sect contemporaneous with Christ, who aroused His righteous ire and indignation and became His greatest enemies. They also, rather naively, imagine that the basis of Judaism is the Old Testament, when actually it is the Talmud.

Jesus referred to this traditional lore - a collection of the interpretations and commentaries of the Pharisees - in scathing terms, calling it the doctrine of "them of old time". Speaking to the Pharisees He said: "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? ... Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect... teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (MATTHEW 15). Jesus ruthlessly stripped away these man-made trappings revealing the Word of God in its pristine simplicity. It is obvious that if the Jews had truly loved and studied the Old Testament, they would have accepted Jesus as their Messiah, He being the supreme object of the true Word of God.

It is highly significant that the Talmudic writings should have had their origin in Babylon, whence many corruptions of the True Faith have emanated. During the period 586 B.C. to 1040 A.D., the Talmud academics moved out into Europe, Asia and Africa and spread all over the world.

As Jesus warned, the "leaven of the Pharisees" has permeated doctrine and thought, contaminating the Truth of God with evil contradictions. After the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, the Pharisees through their synagogical dogma, became the ruling force among the Jews. This is confirmed by the Jewish Encyclopaedia which informs that after 70 A.D. Jewish life was regulated by the teaching of the Pharisees and that the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the pharisaic point of view. A new aspect of the past was given to the Sanhedrin; a new chain of tradition supplanted the older priestly tradition as Phariseeism shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future.

The leading ideas and methods of the Pharisees found expression in literature of enormous extent - of which the Talmud is the largest and most important - and which is traceable, without a break, to the present century and the Jewish religion of today. While it may be very inconvenient to make reference to this legacy from the past, we should remember that the Talmud teaches that only Jews are true men: the rest of mankind being classified as slaves and animals. The Lord Jesus Christ and Christians are described as suffering degrading torments in hell, while heinous sins, clearly condemned by the Scriptures - such as sodomy, pederasty, bestiality and incest - are excused by the Talmud......"

That's just some of their bitter fruit [and of those who indulge them in their Jewish fables bible.cc/1_timothy/1-4.htm ].

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-08-31   16:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Jesus wasn't a Jew because the word "Jew" did not exist at that time. He was a Judean and probably a Pharisee. The sign about his cross did not read "King of the Jews" but "King of the Judeans."

The author ignores the fact Jesus damned his entire "religion."

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-08-31   18:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Turtle (#34)

On the other hand, he lived with his parents until he was 30, he went into his father's business, he thought his mother was a virgin, she thought he was God.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-08-31   18:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#35)

On the other hand, he lived with his parents until he was 30, he went into his father's business, he thought his mother was a virgin, she thought he was God.

I wonder if he mother kept pressuring him to be a doctor and give her grandkids.

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-08-31   18:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Turtle (#36)

I wonder if he mother kept pressuring him to be a doctor and give her grandkids.

*snickering*


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-08-31   18:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Turtle (#36) (Edited)

He did better than that. He gave her Catholics.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-08-31   18:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Turtle (#34)

You are not a homo sapien.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   18:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#39)

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Was Jesus Christ a Jew?

By Dr. Wesley A. Swift

Tonight we are speaking on a subject which the Church must learn to understand. There are many people who are under a strange delusion, finding themselves serving a fake set of ideas, which are very disturbing to them in the light of what they know and see round about. There are many who have been told that Jesus Christ is a Jew, and therefore The Most High and Saviour of their Christian faith comes out of a race which hates Christianity, does all that it can to destroy it, and is now working insidiously all over the United States to get the Bible and prayer out of our schools, and to take the Name of Jesus Christ out of every phase of our national life.

Now this is hard for some people to understand. They ask, How could Jesus be a Jew, with all Jews fighting everything that relates to Christianity and His Name? Of course the great confusion that exists in the minds of many is in the fact that they have been ill-informed concerning who the house of Israel actually is, and they do not know that there is a vast distinction between the house of Israel (the descendants of Abraham) and the people called Jews today. But we can establish for you clearly apart from these phases of identity that Jesus Christ is not a Jew, or else all the foundations of Christianity have been wasted upon something that is fatuous and that has no foundation whatsoever. We will also establish this very clearly for you on the basis of Christ’s time, as well as facts which are self-evident as key points within the faith of Christianity.

I tell you that I am not following the Jew: I am following the Incarnate Revelation of The Most High. Before you ask me, Is Jesus Christ a Jew? I ask you this question: Is Yahweh a Jew? We have Jesus’ own words in Matt. 23:33 in which He turned and told the Jews that they are serpents and a generation of vipers. He was not talking about the symbol of Lucifer’s kingdom. He said they are Lucifer’s descendants. I want to emphasize the fact that one of the first things that Jesus did in that conversation was to deny any family relationship. (This is also one of the important records of the book of John.) He denied any relationship with them, and in the instance when they were creating great pressures upon Him, Jesus made this statement: “I am of My Father, and you are of your father.” Therefore, I want to point out something that is most significant concerning Christ. First, let us go to Isaiah 7:14, and read what it says about His birth. “Therefore Yahweh Himself the Eternal One shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His Name Immanuel” (which is “Yahweh with us “).

For further revelation on this subject we turn to Isaiah 9:6. (Remember, Isaiah is an Israelite but he is not a Jew.) It reads: “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His Shoulder.” Who is He? “His Name shall be called Wounderful, Counsellor, The Mighty,Yahweh, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” They are referring to the fact that He is The Everlasting Father, that He Is The Prince of Peace; and in this identification, His Embodiment as Messiah would be the Embodiment of the Life of Yahweh.

Now let us for a moment recognize that it was not until the violation of Divine law by Lucifer and his intermingling of nefarious forces with the races (before the coming of your Race) that there ever existed a Jew upon the face of the earth. It is also noted that these unassimilable forces are referred to in the Old Testament as Jehudi, which word is translated Jews. We realize that the Bible (the King James version) which we have, like the Vulgate, had also been guided in its translation by a great number of Jews who, professing to be Hebrew and Greek scholars, thought to cover up many phrases that related to the identity of Christ and words referring to them and their own relationship to world situations; but they were unable to efface the most important phrases concerning Christ and Who He was.

Therefore we have these facts in writings of the Apostle Paul who, without question, is the greatest authority of the New Testament outside of the declarations which Jesus Himself made. We believe the doctrine of the Church is founded upon the contents of the writings of the Apostle Paul and the Words of Jesus. Their premise was also that the continuity of The Scripture meant that the Word of Yahweh of the Old Testament continued in the development of the truths of the new.

In the book of Colossians we discover that this revelation means that Yahweh is both Spirit and Soul, and can be embodied; so Spirit, Soul, and Body is the fullness of Yahweh, and you are in His image, and you are also Spirit, soul, and body. The body of the Man Christ Jesus was the image of the Invisible Yahweh. We want you to know that this was the revelation of Eternal Deity and regarding Christ, we read these words in the first chapter of Colossians: “Who is the Image (or Body) of the Invisible Yahweh, the firstborn (begotten before) of every creature. “Then Paul tells you here in the book of Ephesians as well, that by Him were all things created, that is by Jesus Christ. “For by Him were all things created that are in the heavens, by Him were all things created that are in earth, visible and invisible (that means spiritual or material), whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: AII things were created by Him and for Him: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.” If we did not have anything to talk about, we would say that this was proof conclusively that Jesus Christ could not be a Jew, because He was before any Jew existed. He was before all things, and by Him all things consist. We point also to this: “He is the Head of the body, the Church, Who is the beginning, the first born from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence.” (Colossians chapter 1) It pleases the Administering Spirit that His Embodiment will be the fullness of all in all. That is in your Bible, and these are the facts concerning the Person of Christ. He is the Author, the Creator, the Maker, the Producer of the universe; and the embodiment of all this in the physical body was His purpose.

I think it very important, then, that we also turn to things that are most significant in this prophecy. It is no wonder the enemy, the higher critics, the forces of darkness want to do away with any super-element in our faith. If you could destroy that super-element, you might destroy the whole foundation of Christianity, and you might challenge the Being of Christ Himself. So in this instance they try to do away with, and they would like to take out of the story, the prophecies of Isaiah that a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son. They want to change it today to “a young woman”. I can assure you that the text said a virgin, and this was the intent. This fact is brought forth as one of the mysteries known back in the days, of Enoch. After his heavenly experience, Enoch also included in his revelation “The Pillars of Enoch” that Yahweh Himself would come forth through a virgin in a body, the fullness of Deity, the fullness of Divine Creative Power.

Now we turn to the record in Chapter I of Matthew concerning the genealogy of Christ, and this is “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ” He is referred to here as “the Son of David, the Son of Abraham”. David was not a Jew; he came out of Jesse. You will discover that he is out of Ephraim and actually out of Joseph. David was given a royal line over Judah, but not one drop of the blood of David is in the veins of Jesus.

We discover the fact in the book of Luke that Mary was of the house of Levi. The house of Levi was not Jew. The house of Levi could never be called Jews by anybody, nor could Judah be called Jewish, nor can you call the other ten tribes Jews by any stretch of the imagination, for they were not identified with the Kingdom of Judah. Jews are trying to identify themselves with the house of Abraham by saying they are Judeans, and that they descended from Judah. They only dwelt in the land of Judea, but they were never citizens of the house of Abraham, nor did they come through Judah.

We read the whole genealogy in the book of Matthew from the days of Abraham on down “… and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary”, and it was Mary of whom Christ was born. So it would not make any difference in all the genealogy of the house of Joseph, as far as the blood stream of Christ was concerned, for Joseph was not the father of Jesus Christ. He was only the adopted foster father, and thus added a rightful title as foster father to Jesus. (The Jersusalem Bible footnote (Matt. 1:1) says “… Joseph legally the father of Jesus “.) But Jesus held the title by His right as King of Kings and proved that in His Own conversation with the people of Jerusalem, as we will introduce to you.

In the Bible we have no genealogy as to who Mary is. Mary is the only physical embodiment and contact of Christ. Here in Matthew it says: “… Mary, of whom was born Jesus, Who is called Christ”. Nowhere in the genealogy, if you go back to the Old Testament, was the mother ever mentioned. It always tells which father begat whom down through all time. Why was the mother mentioned here? Why did it not mention the mother down through all this course? Because one of the facts of this time in history was that the Virgin Mary was the mother of Christ and His only physical contact on earth. Was she a jewess? Absolutely not!

Mary is of the house of Levi, so by no stretch of imagination could she be called a jewess. Levi was given for the true priesthood from the days of Aaron right on down to the present time; the ministry was called the ministry of Yahweh “forever” . Let us turn back to the hour of the birth of Christ. This was in the days of Herod the King of Judea, and there was a certain priest named Zacharias (his wife was Elisabeth of the daughters of Aaron). John the Baptist was born of Elisabeth, and Christ came forth from the womb of Mary. Now Elisabeth and Mary were cousins, one family, one household. In Luke 1:36 we read (as the angel addresses Mary): “And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth hath also conceived a son in her old age.” Now this will help us to understand. The priesthood of Aaron was continued in the Levitical priesthood. This proves Mary was of the household of Levi.

We bring to your attention, for we have the evidence referred to time after time, that the Body of Christ was born of Incorruptible Seed. If you want to go back in the miracle pattern of religious philosophy, you will discover that as far as Adam is concerned he was the issue of Yahweh; he was His life, he was the Seed which He begat in the earth for establishing the Race from which would come His Kingdom.

As we called to your attention before, in the sixth day (era) Yahweh created and consummated through these geological ages of His time, the making of everything in the universe. He had even made man. “Male and female made He them”, but on the eighth day He said, “there is no Adamite to till the soil”, and He brought forth Adam, the very issue out of Himself. Do you know what the Apostle Paul tells us in Corinthians concerning Jesus? This was the Body of Yahweh, the second Adam; and as Adam is the issue of Yahweh, so Christ is the second Adam. But He was also the firstborn of every creature, because He was before all things, and by Him all things consist.

Jesus began to preach one day, and He challenged the people: “Do you know before Abraham was, I was?” If, then, He was before Abraham, those who think the Jews started with Abraham would be forced to conclude that Jesus (having been before Abraham) could not have been a relative of the Jews. When Abraham went out on the plains of Moreh, he met an unknown personage; the one whom He met for the first time was called Melchizedek, the great mystery title of the eternal priesthood of the Eternal Yahweh. The Apostle Paul tells you in the 7th chapter of the book of Hebrews who Melchizedek was: He was without beginning of days, or end of life, the Eternal Priest and King forever. There is only one individual without beginning of days or end of life; and He, my friends, is Jesus Christ. John was exiled to the Isle of Patmos for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Suppose I introduce you to the fact that, according to the book of Revelation, while he was there and while he was meditating, Yahweh appeared before him? He heard the sound of a trumpet; and as he turned, he beheld the beautiful spectacle of radiant Majesty and Light. He saw Deity standing before him; he threw himself to the ground; he heard the words: “I am Alpha and Omega; I am . The Ever-Living Yahweh.” John says he trembled before the symbol of Majesty. The voice said, John stand upon your feet. You walked with Me along the shores of Galilee; I am Jesus. And he beheld and knew that The EverLiving was the Very One with Whom he had walked. “Fear not. I hold the keys of death and the grave. Stand upon your feet.” Do you suppose that The Almighty Yahweh is a Jew? Yahweh save the world!

When Christ was twelve years old, He, His mother and Joseph (His foster father) went down to Jerusalem. He became separated from them. Do you know where they found Him? In the temple, confounding the wise men and the scribes; He knew more than they did. He was expounding to them the mysteries of the Scriptures, for He has put them together. From that time on, Christ was busy on these things. Oh, you say, He was working in the carpenter shop? He lived in the City of Nazareth? Not very much. You want me to prove that to you? Joseph of Arimathea owned the tin mines of Cornwall in Britain and, being of the true stock of the Kingdom of Israel, he was one of the most powerful members of the Sanhedrin. His ships ploughed up and down the coasts of Europe, through the Pillars of Hercules, and in the Mediterranean. Joseph was a good man; he laid Jesus in his tomb. This is a matter of history. You can go to Rome today and see where Joseph paid constant duty from one country to another.

Suppose I tell you that all during his youth, up to the time He was 30 years old, He was in Europe? Jesus was here, and He was there; He was preaching. You say, You cannot prove that. Yes, I can prove it. I am going to show you something here that you will remember. In Luke we have the story of how Christ was baptized, and after Lucifer assaulted Him with temptation, He was away for awhile. After He returned to the City of Nazareth, He went down to the temple to preach. When He stood up with authority and power (for He had the symbol of authority; they had handed Him the scroll) and He talked, the people said, Who is this? Is this Joseph’s son? Is this Joseph of Nazareth’s boy; or who is this? Now, my friends, if Jesus had been constantly in attendance here, if He had been growing up here since He was twelve years old, they would not have guessed or pondered who this was who stood up to preach.

I will show you something significant. If you turn to 1 Timothy 3:16 you will read these words concerning Jesus: “And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness, Yahweh was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed on in the world, received up into glory. “If Yahweh was manifest in the flesh, He was justified in the Spirit, and He preached unto the Nations - when did He do that? He did that before He commenced the three year ministry which was to be historic, that went up to His crucifixion. How I can prove to you that over here in the records, We have Christ as He returns from having been in a far country. As He arrives at the seat of Customs of the local government, they want to collect taxes from Him. Jesus turns to His disciples, saving, Of whom do the kings collect taxes, of their own or of strangers? (Here was, King Herod collecting taxes from Jesus) Jesus, not to argue with them, said, Go down and catch a fish. They brought a fish to Him, and He said, Take the money out of its mouth. They found there the golden coin with which to pay the taxes.

What I want to point out to you is that Jesus Christ had been outside the country and had returned at this instance. He had been preaching in a far country, and the records show that He paid taxes and paid customs. The Jews recognized He was a stranger. More than that, in another instance we can show you something which is significant to this pattern. You remember, in the book of John there are many mysteries; they are only mysteries because the Church never applied itself to these many things, and these are also correlated with evidence that we discover all through the writings of Matthew, Mark, and Luke; but especially in John are these things made known. I read here in John concerning that which Jesus was speaking that the Jews, the Pharisees, the chief priests, and the officers came to take Him. The high priests in the time of Christ were fatuous, and came in the line of the Canaanites. They were not the true seed of Israel. That is why Jesus told them: “I am of My Father, and you are of your father. “

In John chapter 7, He tells the chief priests and officers that came to take Him, I am going to be here a little while, and I am going into the Spirit whence I have come. “You shall seek me, and shall not find me; for where I am going you cannot come.” So it is obvious: Where Jesus was going, the Jews could not go. Yes, He was going to heaven. Well, then, the Jews could not get there.

The Jews said, “Where will He go that we can not find Him? Will He go to the dispersed among the nations? Will He go there and teach them?” The priests and Pharisees asked the officers, “Why have you not seized Him? Why did you not bring Him?” And the officers answered, “Never spake man like this man”. Then spake the Pharisees, “Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed on Him?” Nicodemus (who visited Christ by night) stepped up. “Now listen: The Law does not judge any man before it hears him.” They said to him: “Oh, are you also one of His disciples? No prophet comes out of Galilee.” The Jews said He was not a Jew; they said He was a Galilean.

Now, remember, the Galileans were not jews. You say, prove that. All right, let’s turn to the sixth chapter of John. Jesus Christ had twelve disciples. One of them was a Jew; that was Judas Iscariot. All the rest came out of Galilee, out of the household of His selection. He asked them a question concerning His identity, and Simon Peter said: “Master, where shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. We believe and are sure that Thou art the Christ. ” That means the Embodiment of Yahweh, the Very Son, the Embodiment of The Most High.

Jesus said: “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?” While that may be just a name you call somebody, to Christ it was a generation of Lucifer. Jesus turned to the Jews on Solomon’s porch, and said: “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. I am from above,- I am of Yahweh, and ye are of the devil. I am Yahweh’s offspring, and ye are the devil’s offspring. “You say, is that in the Bible? That is in the book of John, which you have. John also says: “He spake of Judas Iscariot, … for he it was that should betray him.”

In John 7:1 we read: “After these things Jesus walked in Galilee - For he would not walk in jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him. “You understand that in Galilee He would not be among the Jews. The brethren of Jesus, the friends of Jesus, and the Galileans (the people of the community where Christ lived) went down to Jerusalem; but there, no man dared speak openly of Him for fear of the Jews. Let us turn to the words of Jesus in the eighth chapter of John. He makes the declaration concerning His purpose. He went over to the temple and all the people came, and He taught them, saying: “I bear record of Myself, and My record is true. “The Pharisees said: “Your record is not true.” So we have the Jew Pharisees denying Christ. He said: “I know whence I came and whither I go, but you cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.” They asked, “Where is your Father?” Then Jesus said: “If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also.” These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as He taught in the temple. And no man laid hands on Him. For His hour was not yet come. Then Jesus said, “I go My way and ye shall seek Me and die in your sins. Whither I go, ye cannot come … And He said, ye are from beneath: I am from above; ye are of this world, I am not of this world.”

So Jesus said, You are of a different race, a different origin, a different background. Let me tell you about the whole Race of Israel. Turn to John 17. John records that Jesus praised the Father, and in this declaration, the Man Christ Jesus in the body is unveiling for posterity facts concerning the Eternal Spirit: “I have manifested Thy Name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world. Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me,- and they have kept Thy Word …. I pray for them. I pray not for the world, but for them whom Thou hast given Me,- for they are Thine … and Thine are Mine.”

Jesus said, I pray for those whom thou hast given Me. I have given them Thy Word, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not pray that you take them out of the world, but keep them in it, and protect them from evil. “I am not of the world.” He was the Almighty Ever-Living One from heaven. That is why one of the mysteries you find in the book of Hebrews is quite clear. He said your Race was a Race of strangers and pilgrims here. Yahweh put a gracious forgetfulness over you, so you would do the job which you were sent to do.

No Israelite was related to a Jew; and if he married one, he could not enter the temple, nor could his posterity.

You say, I thought Jesus was a Jew. No; Jesus could not be a Jew! If He was The Almighty Yahweh, if He was Holy Seed, if He was Incorruptible Seed, if He was before all things, that would be impossible.

In John chapter 12 the Pharisees said, We have got to do something about this man. Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing ever since He raised Lazarus from the dead? Many knew of this miracle. People all over the world were learning about the fact that Jesus had raised Lazarus from the dead, and they had gone after Him.

Now great nations sent ambassadors and messengers, and certain Greeks who were important people came to worship Jesus. They said to Philip of Bethsaida, “Sir, we would see Jesus.” Then Philip and Andrew and the others came to Him saying, Men are coming from these lands and places and they want to see you. Jesus answered: “The hour is come that the Incarnate Revelation of Yahweh should be glorified.”

The Pharisees said, We had better stop Him; the whole world is coming out to see Him. And therefore we have the testimony of this impact, where the chief priests consulted how they might put Lazarus to death in order to stop acceptance of the truth. Yahweh walked among them as The Messiah. He raised a man from the dead and they were so filled with hatred and jealousy that they wanted to put him to death again! Don’t talk about brotherhood to me! I don’t want any part of them!

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Itistoolate  posted on  2009-08-31   20:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Itistoolate (#40)

Jesus Christ is not a Jew,

heretic

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-08-31   20:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#39)

You are not a homo sapien.

Jesus damnned his false religion.

Too bad you can't handle it.

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-09-01   16:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#35)

On the other hand, he lived with his parents until he was 30, he went into his father's business, he thought his mother was a virgin, she thought he was God.

Actually, his family thought he was nuts.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-09-01   17:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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