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Title: Veil Justice
Source: Freedom Ministries
URL Source: http://faithfreedoms.net/2009/09/01 ... th--freedom--veil-justice.aspx
Published: Sep 1, 2009
Author: David Alan Carmichael
Post Date: 2009-09-01 23:54:30 by David Alan Carmichael
Keywords: religion, witness, testimony, freedom
Views: 636
Comments: 14

A Muslim woman in Michigan recently had her Small Claims Court case dismissed when she would not expose herself to the satisfaction of a Judge. Her religion prohibits her from exposing her beauty to any man other than her husband. Therefore, she refused to remove her facial veil upon the male judge’s demand. The judge said he needed to see her face to determine if she was telling the truth. She told the judge that she could only unveil for a woman judge. The judge said there was no woman judge available and he dismissed her claim because she refused to remove her veil. Is the judge’s demand reasonable, or just?

In reaction to the controversy, the Michigan Supreme Court issued a rule that allows for, "reasonable control over the appearance of parties and witnesses" to "ensure that the demeanor of such persons may be observed and assessed by the fact-finder and ensure the accurate identification of such person."

The Michigan Supreme Court did not issue guidance for judges to determine which facial expressions validate testimony. There is no standard to train or qualify a judge to accurately assess facial expressions. There is no rule about recording facial expressions to enable an appeals court to objectively review demeanor. Is not the witness’ testimony of their identity and of the facts of the case prefaced by an oath in open court? Is it the practice of the court to presume the witness’ testimony and identity are false until proven otherwise? Appeals courts presume testimonies given under oath to be true, even though it comes to them in written form.

Constitutionally, the Court has been given judicial power to render judgments according to the law, not according to the judge’s perception. The common and civil laws provide for oaths and affirmations, or acknowledgements under the penalty of perjury to authenticate testimony. Biblically, the revealed law says “Before two or more witnesses, let every word be established.” Neither the common law, the positive law, nor the revealed law provide for the qualification of testimony to be established by facial expressions. Once the oath is given, by someone who believes in after-life judgment and retribution, scrutiny of the testator’s conscience is outside the jurisdiction of the Court. Unless the opposing party submits a claim of perjury against the testator, along with prima facie evidence, the testator’s truthfulness is to be presumed.

The qualification of the testimony by oaths, affirmations, or acknowlegments under the penalty of perjury, enable the Court to take every piece of evidence and testimony at face value. The judge’s fallable perceptions are then less likely to influence the court to make arbitrary decisions.

Men, being evil, do not have the capacity to judge the thoughts and intents of the heart. An oath appealing to Almighty God as judge relieves the court of that burden. If the veiled woman appears and testifies under oath, conditioning due process on the abandonment of religion and modesty is not reasonable because it is not just.

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#1. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)

The judge said there was no woman judge available and he dismissed her claim because she refused to remove her veil. Is the judge’s demand reasonable, or just?

Well now, for a Zionist the demand is the way they are. In their minds it's reasonable.

But for a Real American who appreciates the Spirit of the Union it is Justice Denied.

"Liberty and Justice for All"

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2009-09-02   2:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SCPO Blackshoe Retired (#1)

In their minds it's reasonable.

It might be reasonable to some who don't know justice... "Evil men do not understand justice but those who seek the Lord understand all." Proverbs 28:5

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2009-09-02   8:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: David Alan Carmichael. all (#0)

The judge was totally wrong.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-02   9:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)

Is the judge’s demand reasonable, or just?

Yes. Alternatively, we could simply not accept testimony from the veiled, or permit them to bring suit. Let their fathers or husbands do so on their behalf.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-02   11:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)

The Michigan Supreme Court did not issue guidance for judges to determine which facial expressions validate testimony. There is no standard to train or qualify a judge to accurately assess facial expressions. There is no rule about recording facial expressions to enable an appeals court to objectively review demeanor. Is not the witness’ testimony of their identity and of the facts of the case prefaced by an oath in open court? Is it the practice of the court to presume the witness’ testimony and identity are false until proven otherwise? Appeals courts presume testimonies given under oath to be true, even though it comes to them in written form.

So what? The only people who insist that other people forego the direct evidence of their senses are anti-white.

But even they sometimes insist, as everyone does, "Look me in the eyes when you say that."

Some muslims might not be compatible with Western institutions, period. Too bad for them. And this one is also "African-American", so she's probably doubly incompatible.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-02   12:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#5)

So what? The only people who insist that other people forego the direct evidence of their senses are anti-white.

Law is! The purpose of the oath is to make it so evil judges cannot confused themselves with their perceptions. If somebody lies, it is not the judges responsibility to police it. The lied will be punished later. "It is appointed once for man to die but in the end, judgment." Too many clever evil judges discount veiled or unveiled testimony because of the judge's overconfidence in his arbitrarily determining someone is not telling the truth because of their facial expressions.

The point of the editorial is to challenge everybody to check the basis of your opinion. If it is not Biblical, it is wrong.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2009-09-02   13:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: David Alan Carmichael (#6)

. If it is not Biblical, it is wrong.

Really?

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-02   14:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: David Alan Carmichael (#6)

If somebody lies, it is not the judges responsibility to police it.

It certainly is, in a case tried by a judge and not a jury.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-02   14:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#7)

Do you think ol' Bible David is going to give up his right to face his accusers any time soon? Or to present his case, himself, to a jury?

Would anyone be happy to simply present text alone to a jury? If not, why not?

I can't believe anyone falls for this crap!

Anti-racism is code for white genocide

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-02   14:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)

Is the judge’s demand reasonable, or just?

in a word, no. facial expressions are not a determiner of veracity. it seems to me this woman has a case against him for prejudice.

christine  posted on  2009-09-02   14:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#9)

Do you think ol' Bible David is going to give up his right to face his accusers any time soon? Or to present his case, himself, to a jury?

If the woman contracted with me while she had the veil on, I would tolerate her suing me with her veil on. If she gives an oath, the judge has to presume it true untill I show tangible evidence that here testimony is false. I did not say her testimony could not be invalidated but it is totally evil for a judge to determine truth on the basis of her facial expressions. If the common law allows for the oath, or civil law allows for testimony under the penalty of perjury, it would be tyrannical for a judge to arbitrarily determine testimony to be false without some reasonable challenge by the testator's opponent. It is outside the judge's authority to do so.

This rule is the just rule for the sake of the preservation of our liberty.

Odds are, if see is really a great student of Islam, she very well may give false witness even under oath. It is one of the three options available to those submitted to Islam. Of course, it is wicked. I might even question her about her allegiance to the teachings of the quran. If she says that she abides by the whole thing, I might read the part where she is allow to lie even under oath. But that is my burden as the opponent.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2009-09-02   14:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#10)

it seems to me this woman has a case against him for prejudice.

Maybe a case for denial of due process. The rule about using facial expressions did not come until after she filed suit in federal court. Thus, the judge had no lawful authority to deny her the privilege of due process.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2009-09-02   14:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: David Alan Carmichael (#11)

if see [she] is really a great student of Islam, she very well may give false witness even under oath

More likely for a student of, or practitioner of, Judah-ism to lie under oath. Once each year the Jew will participate in the 'ritual' which enables lying anytime or anywhere convenient.

Judges must perform their duties, and live their personal lives, in accordance with the Code of Conduct. It may be downloaded here:

http://www.uscourts.gov/library/codeOfConduct/Code_Effective_July-01-09.pdf

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2009-09-05   22:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)

In reaction to the controversy, the Michigan Supreme Court issued a rule that allows for, "reasonable control over the appearance of parties and witnesses" to "ensure that the demeanor of such persons may be observed and assessed by the fact-finder and ensure the accurate identification of such person."

There is no human right that can not be negated by the needs of a judge.

The American legal system is punch drunk with self serving power.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-09-06   0:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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