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Title: (Pat) Robertson called for the assassination of Venezuela's president
Source: Media Matters
URL Source: http://mediamatters.org/items/200508220006
Published: Aug 22, 2005
Author: Pat Robertson
Post Date: 2005-08-22 17:54:43 by Zipporah
Keywords: assassination, Venezuelas, Robertson
Views: 128
Comments: 44

Pat Robertson, host of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club and founder of the Christian Coalition of America, called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

From the August 22 broadcast of The 700 Club:

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

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#4. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)

Such wonderful sentiments from a "Man of God". I wonder how many people have turned away from God thanks to the comments and acts of men such as this?

He's certainly misled a lot of people. Robertson should be thinking about millstones.

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-22   18:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Steppenwolf (#1)

KILL! KILL! KILL! THEY'RE SITTING ON OUR OIL!

Same song, second verse. A little bit louder, a little bit worse.

If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for.

Esso  posted on  2005-08-22   18:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Esso (#5)

I'm picturing a lifeboat with several people in it. One of those people is grotesquely obese, weighing as much as any three other passengers, who uses up as much water as everyone else per day. Soon the passengers discover there is only so much water left, and the giant lardo proves astonishingly willing to use every means of force and treachery to take every drop he can get. I wonder what the odds are that one day Mr. Stretchpants is going to wake up to a pipe wrench buried in his skull?

At some point, if we are in fact running out of oil, the rest of the world just might decide that they'd rather live twice as long with one less passenger on the liferaft...

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-08-22   18:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Elliott Jackalope (#6)

I'm picturing a lifeboat with several people in it. One of those people is grotesquely obese, weighing as much as any three other passengers, who uses up as much water as everyone else per day. Soon the passengers discover there is only so much water left, and the giant lardo proves astonishingly willing to use every means of force and treachery to take every drop he can get. I wonder what the odds are that one day Mr. Stretchpants is going to wake up to a pipe wrench buried in his skull?

At some point, if we are in fact running out of oil, the rest of the world just might decide that they'd rather live twice as long with one less passenger on the liferaft...

Slight problem. Fatso is a light sleeper with a loaded .44 Mag in each hand and has no problems shooting anyone who gets between him and the water or anyone who tries to heave him overboard. As the days wear on he also becomes less and less concerned about hitting the boat hull (collateral damage) if he goes on a shooting spree.

Then there's that chinese guy on the other side of the boat with a snub nose 38 and a growing thirst as well.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2005-08-22   19:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Steppenwolf (#1)

He seems to think the assassination of a foreign president is preferable to war, which he seems to think is the only alternative. But he doesn't explain why war against Venezuela would be justified.

aristeides  posted on  2005-08-22   19:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Zipporah (#0)

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

Robertson needs a strong comeuppance. Lord, don't leave us now. The battle is just beginning.

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-08-22   19:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#9)

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez].

Popular coup? The coup failed because there was so much opposition to it.

aristeides  posted on  2005-08-22   19:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah (#0)

Oh, did Chavez order his troops to invade another country (on baseless lies), torture, rape and/or murder thousands of innocent civilians?

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

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robin  posted on  2005-08-22   19:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: aristeides (#10)

The coup failed because there was so much opposition to it.

That's a fact. Chavez has done only good for all of the peasants, at least as much as he has been able. The economy in Venezuela is the best that it's been for the average Venezuelan in years. I'm no fan of socialism, but Chavez is no Castro and his brand of socialism is closer to populism than anything going. The plutocrats don't like it because they have been cut out of the profit loop.

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-08-22   19:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BTP Holdings (#12)

The plutocrats don't like it because they have been cut out of the profit loop.

Bingo! And he's way to popular. This could spread throughout South America.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

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robin  posted on  2005-08-22   19:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#13)

This could spread throughout South America.

The next move will be either against Iran, which seems more doubtful as time passes, or something brewing in South America. Maybe as Bob Chapman suggests, if Evo Morales wins the election in Bolivia, the U.S. may move to gain control of the gas fields there. Morales is intensely popular among the working classes. And he would likely institute reforms similar to Chavez. Already 50% of the taxes on Bolivian natural resources production is earmarked for the benefit of the people. The taxes (royalties) would likely be increased by Morales and privatization stopped dead in its tracks.

I know of a horror story of the privatization of Bolivia's water supplies. The corporations bought them up and immediately tripled the prices charged to the peasants. Within weeks the people took to the streets by the hundreds of thousands. Needless to say, the Bolivian gov't reversed its decision and revoked the contracts.

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-08-22   20:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zipporah (#0)

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war.

WWJD? Certainly not assassinate anyone. We are fighting a SPIRITUAL war not a physical one. The spiritual war is for far more than earthly things; it's for your eternal soul.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-22   20:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#14)

The corporations bought them up and immediately tripled the prices charged to the peasants. Within weeks the people took to the streets by the hundreds of thousands. Needless to say, the Bolivian gov't reversed its decision and revoked the contracts.

See the plutocrats cannot tolerate that kind of populace/govt.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

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robin  posted on  2005-08-22   20:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin (#16)

CARACAS, Venezuela -- Venezuela's oil company opened an office in China, a client that is becoming increasingly important to this oil-rich country, the state news agency reported Monday.

Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez, who is visiting China, told the Bolivarian News Agency the new office in Beijing would serve as a "bastion for forging relations with new strategic partners."

Venezuela Oil Company Opens China Office

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2005-08-22   21:22:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Arete (#17)

Venezuela currently ships 68,000 barrels of oil per day to China. Last year, Venezuela shipped 12,300 barrels of oil a day to the energy-hungry Asian nation.

Too bad we don't policy makers half as dedicated as China has.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

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robin  posted on  2005-08-22   23:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Zipporah (#0)

Pat Robertson, host of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club and founder of the Christian Coalition of America, called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

From the August 22 broadcast of The 700 Club:

ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

I am so fucking glad that this crazy fuck never got into office. I'm also doubly glad that he doesn't speak for Christians around the world.

If anyone should catch a bullet, or at the very least a kick in the ass, it ought to be this fucking brainiac. Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of a foreign leader. Yeah, that's real Christian of you Pat, you fucking Neocon Satanist Prick.

So many morons, so few bullets.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-08-22   23:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zipporah (#0)

But this man is a terrific danger ...........

So is Bush.

Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant

justlurking  posted on  2005-08-22   23:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: aristeides (#8)

But he doesn't explain why war against Venezuela would be justified.

See #5

Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant

justlurking  posted on  2005-08-22   23:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#19)

If anyone should catch a bullet, or at the very least a kick in the ass, it ought to be this fucking brainiac. Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of a foreign leader. Yeah, that's real Christian of you Pat, you fucking Neocon Satanist Prick.

What you said.

Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant

justlurking  posted on  2005-08-22   23:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Zipporah, Elliott Jackalope, Red Jones (#4)

Such wonderful sentiments from a "Man of God". I wonder how many people have turned away from God thanks to the comments and acts of men such as this?

He's certainly misled a lot of people. Robertson should be thinking about millstones.

From http://Patridiots.com:

Should Ministers Be Advocating Murder?

First alleged Christian Jimmy Swaggert says that if a gay man looked at him funny he'd murder the guy and then "tell God he died."

Now alleged Christian Pat Robertson is advocating the murder of a democratically elected foreign head of state, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuella.

I call these two idiots "alleged Christians" because right up there in the 10 Commandments -- it's number six -- is "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

And in case they aren't interested in the whole Old Testament thing, how about the updated version of this commandment?

Matthew 5:21 You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment.'

22 But I say to you, whoever is angry 18 with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, 'Raqa,' will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, 'You fool,' will be liable to fiery Gehenna.

23 Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you,

24 leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

That last line is pretty important. Jesus -- the Son of God -- is the one who would be receiving a gift given at an altar. He says that if you are angry with your brother and wish him ill will (like, say, wanting to murder him?) then Jesus doesn't want you to make that gift.

Jesus is so disgusted with people like Swaggart and Robinson that he won't even accept tribute or gifts from them.

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"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

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robin  posted on  2005-08-22   23:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#19)

I am so fucking glad that this crazy fuck never got into office. I'm also doubly glad that he doesn't speak for Christians around the world.

If anyone should catch a bullet, or at the very least a kick in the ass, it ought to be this fucking brainiac. Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of a foreign leader. Yeah, that's real Christian of you Pat, you fucking Neocon Satanist Prick.

Gawd I know .. what year was it that he was campaigning? Unreal isnt it that he wants to murder another person no matter who it is..

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-22   23:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: justlurking (#20)

And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly.

Now how is Chavez a danger? Cause he called Bush an asshole?

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-22   23:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#15)

WWJD? Certainly not assassinate anyone. We are fighting a SPIRITUAL war not a physical one. The spiritual war is for far more than earthly things; it's for your eternal soul.

Seems Robertson has lost his 'first love' that is IF he ever even experienced it..

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-22   23:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#0)

I didnt link the video of Robertson so here it is for those who've not seen it..

http://videos.informationclearinghouse.info/700-200508220006.mov

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-23   8:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: All (#27)

Also there is an online poll here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9047102/

asking if Robertson went 'too far'.. too bad they didnt ask is Robertson insane :P

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-23   9:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Zipporah (#28)

I guess "hate speech" is OK for some who assume they have a license.

If Fatmouth Pat wants to go on another cakewalk, let's make sure that he goes in country himself in person. He can take his "Christian" friends with him. They're on they're own this time.

randge  posted on  2005-08-23   10:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: randge (#29)

Fatmouth Pat

Make that FatwahMouth Pat

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   10:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: randge, Dakmar (#29)

I guess "hate speech" is OK for some who assume they have a license.

If Fatmouth Pat wants to go on another cakewalk, let's make sure that he goes in country himself in person. He can take his "Christian" friends with him.

It must be part of the Pat's version of the Great Commission, "Go ye into all the world...".

So, as you say, we should make sure he goes.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

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robin  posted on  2005-08-23   10:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Dakmar (#30)

That's a good one.

I think that we should all chip in and send Mullah Pat the headgear that goes with his office. (With attached well wishes.) What's left over we can put in the Freedom4um kitty.

randge  posted on  2005-08-23   10:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Zipporah (#0)

he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

Venezuelan communist Muslims taking over South America.

Yeah right.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-08-23   12:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Zipporah (#28)

An online poll asking if he went too far serves Robertson's interests by lending credibility to his ideas. The no answer is an immoral choice while the yes answer is the moral choice. The poll makes the immoral choice equivalent in a general way to the moral choice. Just a thought.

As a comparison, let's assume that Robertson was calling for the assassination of of Ariel Sharon- or ANY Jew for that matter. The media would never allow the consumer to make a choice whether it was moral or not. There would certainly be no poll legitimizing a call for murder in that case. Can you imagine it? Did Rob go too far in calling for the assassination of a Jewish leader? The media would never allow it. It would never legitimize the call for murder as simply a choice for Americans to make.

The media would portray the call for a Jew's murder as immoral. Every Jewish org would be on it, making sure no media source dared legitimize a call for murder of an official of a sov nation. Rob would be hammered for inciting hatred amongst his followers by supporting the murder of a Jew. All of the articles in the media would be nothing more then the ADL's press release adapted for each media source. We've all seen this before, the templates the media uses when Jewish interests are threatened. And Robertson would be attacked with all the collective power the Jews could leverage.

So we see how corrupt the media is in legitimizing the indefensible as simply a choice in a poll. The issue is a non starter, but the media will portray it as a valid issue to be debated. The call of a religious leader to murder the elected pres of a sov, Dem nation should be portrayed as off the wall and not worthy of consideration as a legitimate issue. The poll serves only the interests of the neocons.

Why is it anti-semitic to recognize the counterproductive nature of an alliance with Israel that emboldens them to recklessly oppress Palestinians? Why is it anti-semitic to criticize the spending of US taxpayer money to shore up a garrison state which commenced its existence by "displacing" Palestinians, to the Chagrin of Arabs who are thereby motivated to attack U.S. citizens?

'Because it is.' -Goldi-Lox

Bayonne  posted on  2005-08-23   13:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#34)

Robertson is acting as an an agent of the neocon establishment in this matter. The issue is a way to legitimize an evil act. After all, a man of God is promoting it. It also rallies the rapture monkey base to support the cause and engage in a national debate about an issue which deserves no debate in a nation such as the US. Robertson has legitimized the illegitimate.

When you ask the cui bono question, there is only one answer- the neocons. Therefore, Robertson is acting as an agent of the neocons.

Why is it anti-semitic to recognize the counterproductive nature of an alliance with Israel that emboldens them to recklessly oppress Palestinians? Why is it anti-semitic to criticize the spending of US taxpayer money to shore up a garrison state which commenced its existence by "displacing" Palestinians, to the Chagrin of Arabs who are thereby motivated to attack U.S. citizens?

'Because it is.' -Goldi-Lox

Bayonne  posted on  2005-08-23   13:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Bayonne (#34)

Good posts.

If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for.

Esso  posted on  2005-08-23   13:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#36)

I knew that this idea of preemptive actions against people or countries was crappy from the git-go, and was going to be hard to turn off once it got started. You can't justly punish someone for something that they MIGHT do.

To make matters worse, the people deciding who needs to be preempted are clearly insane and flailing about wildly and randomly, like a downed high-voltage power line, destroying everything that they touch.

If a man has nothing that he is willing to die for, then he has nothing worth living for.

Esso  posted on  2005-08-23   13:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Zipporah, Eoghan, Zoraoster (#0)

He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

Pat Robertson is a non-sensical anti-American Zionist agent.

Chevez is no Muslim. Chavez quotes the Bible in his speeches:

"The former colonel", he continues, "likes to spice his often lengthy and unusual speeches with quotes from the Bible, French poets, military overtones and repeated references to South America’s independence hero Simon Bolivar, who [he] claims his inspiration".

http://www.analit ica.com/constituyente/opinion/o19.asp

Robertson is nothing but a AIPAC/Israel/Big federal government shill who holds sway over legions of braindead sociopaths so stupid that they will Fed-Ex him cash when he starts boo-hooing on camera. Robertson's new God is Israel and he bashes Islam 24/7.

Could you just imagine the howls over at FR and LP if a leading Muslim cleric called for the assasination of the meddlesome and violent leader of a particular foreign country?

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-08-23   21:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: wbales (#38)

Could you just imagine the howls over at FR and LP if a leading Muslim cleric called for the assasination of the meddlesome and violent leader of a particular foreign country?

Yeah they'd be screaming for a war!! Just read something about Limbaugh saying Robertson shouldve asked for the assination of Casto as well..

'Don't Dream It's Over'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-23   21:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Zipporah (#39)

should've asked for the assination of Casto as well..

We're all Israelis now...and we're dead...

“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli

Eoghan  posted on  2005-08-23   22:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wbales, Dakmar (#38)

Robertson is nothing but a AIPAC/Israel/Big federal government shill who holds sway over legions of braindead sociopaths so stupid that they will Fed-Ex him cash when he starts boo-hooing on camera. Robertson's new God is Israel and he bashes Islam 24/7.

Could you just imagine the howls over at FR and LP if a leading Muslim cleric called for the assasination of the meddlesome and violent leader of a particular foreign country?

Serious, can you imagine?

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   22:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: robin (#41)

Sounds like fun, back in a jif...

Just kidding

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   22:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Eoghan (#40)

We're all Israelis now.

That explains the profusion of home remodelling shows.

Doesn't it?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   22:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Dakmar (#43)

We're all Israelis now.

That explains the profusion of home remodelling shows.

Doesn't it?

ROFLOL!!

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   22:47:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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