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Title: Conspiracy theory or hidden truth? The 9/11 enigmas...
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URL Source: http://www.worldarchitecturenews.co ... pln.commentview&comment_id=158
Published: Sep 9, 2009
Author: Richard Gage, AIA, Gregg Roberts, and Da
Post Date: 2009-09-09 16:46:53 by Horse
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Views: 3039
Comments: 60

Richard Gage, AIA has been a practicing San Francisco Bay Area architect for more than 20 years, and is a registered member of the American Institute of Architects. Most recently he worked on a $400M mixed-use facility in Las Vegas NV. But he is also the founder and CEO of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, now numbering over 800 A/E’s, calling for a new investigation into the destruction of all 3 WTC high-rises on 9/11. Gage has spoken at over 100 events, reaching 20 U.S. states and 8 countries. He has been invited to present in 14 cities Australia, New Zealand, and Japan before the end of this year. As the anniversary of the events approaches, Gage tells WAN why he thinks there are hidden depths to the destruction of the World Trade Centre...

In all likelihood, you are unaware of the most important facts involving the destructions of the World Trade Center buildings. Nearly all the mainstream information sources and government officials have kept crucial information hidden from the public. This brief article will provide a clear explanation as to what actually happened to the Twin Towers and Building 7 (WTC 7) on September 11, 2001.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is a non-partisan, non-profit organization now numbering over 800 technical professionals and thousands of other supporters dedicated to exposing the facts that point to the explosive destruction of all three World Trade Center (WTC) high-rises.

We are calling for a new independent investigation empowered to subpoena and question witnesses under oath. Well-documented facts prove the WTC high-rises were destroyed by explosives. The implications are grave, but we ask that you look at the facts. AE911Truth is also concerned that evidence has been distorted and covered up by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the federal agency assigned to investigate the building collapses.

World Trade Center – Building 7

47-storey WTC 7 before destruction

WTC 7 was a 47-story steel-framed high-rise 100 yards from the North Tower. Even though no airplane hit it, it collapsed rapidly and totally on 9/11, in the manner of a controlled demolition. Despite its suspicious collapse, the 9/11 Commission report does not even mention WTC 7. NIST left its analysis of the WTC 7 collapse until 2008, seven years after the events, long after all the rubble was destroyed. NIST claims WTC 7 collapsed due to “normal office fires” which created a “new phenomenon” in high-rise catastrophes: collapse caused by thermal expansion of beams. NIST claims this caused the failure of a single column – the rest just followed.

Free-fall acceleration through 40,000 tons of structural steel?

NIST Forced to Acknowledge Free-Fall of WTC 7

In August 2008, NIST released the draft of its final report on Building 7. In that draft NIST claims that the building took 40% longer than "free-fall time" to collapse the first 18 stories. In a technical briefing that followed the release of the draft report Shyam Sunder, NIST’s lead investigator, denied that free-fall had occurred and stated that free-fall was incompatible with their analysis.

said, “… a free fall time would be an object that has no … structural components below it...And that is not at all unusual because there was [emphasis in original] structural resistance that was provided in this particular case. And you had … a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and everything was not instantaneous.”

However, one of this article’s co-authors, David Chandler, used video analysis to show conclusively that for 2.5 seconds (about 100 feet) WTC 7 was in complete free-fall. He publicly challenged NIST’s claims at the technical briefing and he, along with others, filed formal requests for corrections.

NIST were forced to reverse themselves in their Final Report and acknowledged 2.25 seconds of absolute free-fall. Yet they did not reconsider how this was compatible with their analysis. A network of heavy steel girders had to be forcibly removed suddenly across the width of the building for eight floors. However, a free-falling object cannot exert force on anything in its path without slowing its own fall, so the structural support had to be removed by something else—explosives. The free-fall of Building 7 is a smoking gun.

World Trade Center – Commonalities in all Three Building Destructions

Complete Destruction Through the Path of Greatest Resistance

NIST claims that the Twin Towers collapsed due to the plane impacts and fire, and that WTC 7 collapsed due to fire alone. However, note that the Twin Towers survived the plane impacts and the jet fuel burned off in the first 10 minutes. Beyond that, all we have are not very large office fires. Over 100 steel framed buildings have suffered major fires, many much worse, yet none have collapsed. All three buildings on 9/11 fell through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – thousands of tons of steel – resulting in total dismemberment. This would require precisely timed removal of critical columns, which office fires cannot accomplish. Furthermore, a small falling top section would destroy itself before it could destroy a larger, stronger, undamaged lower section of the building. The impossible collapse is a smoking gun.

Molten Iron

The temperatures of the fires present a problem for NIST's claim that fire alone was involved. The melting point of steel is about 2800° F. According to NIST's own documents, hydrocarbon fires (e.g., jet fuel and office furnishings) generate temperatures only up to about 2,000° F under ideal conditions. NIST recognizes these fires could not melt steel, so they had to postulate elaborate mechanisms that might trigger collapse due to weakened columns and sagging girders.

Yet there is widespread evidence of molten iron in the rubble piles. Photos and numerous witnesses -- including fire fighters, cleanup crews, and structural engineers -- confirm the existence of several tons of molten metal under the debris. Some fire fighters described molten steel flowing like lava. Photos clearly reveal molten metal dripping as material is being lifted by excavation equipment.

Office fires are not hot enough to create the molten metal seen by dozens of witness

A video of the South Tower shows molten metal pouring out, glowing a radiant orange-yellow. Some have claimed this is molten aluminum, which melts at a lower temperature, but molten aluminum would be silvery in these conditions. This is molten iron or steel.

Jet fuel and office fires can’t create molten iron

At least three independent laboratory analyses of the dust that blanketed Lower Manhattan after the destruction of the Twin Towers reveal the presence of iron-rich “microspheres.” These spheres are formed when molten iron is sprayed into the air and forms droplets that cool before hitting the ground. The iron droplets indicate temperatures during the collapses much higher than hydrocarbon fires, in an explosive environment that could spray many tons of these droplets into the air.

In April 2002, the RJ Lee Company was hired to investigate environmental contaminants in the Deutsche Bank, across the street from the World Trade Center. It reports, “Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, vaporized and then condensed during the WTC Event.” The problem here is that lead vaporizes at 3200° F, some 1200° F hotter than is possible in hydrocarbon fires. A study of the WTC dust by the USGS for the EPA observed molybdenum-rich spheres that can form only above 4750° F. The high temperatures are another smoking gun.

Unignited Nano-Thermite in the WTC Dust

NIST did not even look for physical evidence of explosives. In fact NIST did not look at the physical evidence at all, apart from a few selected samples of the steel. The rest was destroyed. However, physical evidence did remain: the dust. NIST did not look at the dust, but independent investigators did. They discovered, along with the microspheres, tiny red-grey chips. They examined samples of WTC dust from different parts of Manhattan. All contained the red-gray chips. They found that the red layer consisted of unignited nano-thermite. Ordinary thermite is an incendiary: it can burn through heavy steel in seconds. The tiny particles in nano-thermite (1/1000 the thickness of a human hair) causes a much faster reaction so it can be used as a high explosive. The discovery of nano-thermite in the WTC dust was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in April 2009.

Hundreds of Red/Grey chips of “Unignited thermite” in every WTC Dust sample

Nano-thermite particle sizes are 1,000 times smaller than a human hair. This material is not made in a cave in Afghanistan.

These scientists found not just a smoking gun, but a loaded gun.

Independent lines of evidence prove the official government claims are impossible. We see our role at AE911Truth as exposing the evidence official agencies and the corporate media are covering up. Following up on the implications is the responsibility of every citizen. Every citizen must face his or her own conscience when confronting these difficult facts -- especially when we consider that 9/11 is the foundation for two wars, the launching of an endless "war on terror," and the loss of our freedoms due to legislation pushed through amid the fog of war.

Following Up on the Evidence

Here are some starting points for action:

a) Send the AE911Truth.org link to your personal mailing list and every architect and engineer that you can find. b) Sign the petition and demand a new, independent investigation. Volunteer. Become a sustaining donor. c) Write your local news media and representatives. Tell them to address the evidence. Send them the DVD, “9/11: Blueprint for Truth.”

A video of initiation of explosive destruction is here for WTC 1 (North Tower) and here for WTC 2 (South Tower).


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#21. To: Jethro Tull, Esso, Lod, Christine, All (#17)

Korea and Vietnam were against...COMMUNISTS...we had a large anti war segment, active and loud.

Nine years of war on "MOSLEMS"...we have Cindy Sheehan as the lone anti war protester. Is there a conclusion to be drawn there????

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-09   20:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Dakmar (#20)

Can I get free health care first?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-09   20:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

Nine years of war on "MOSLEMS"...we have Cindy Sheehan as the lone anti war protester. Is there a conclusion to be drawn there????

Don't mess with Israel?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#21)

Korea and Vietnam were against...COMMUNISTS...we had a large anti war segment, active and loud.

Nine years of war on "MOSLEMS"...we have Cindy Sheehan as the lone anti war protester. Is there a conclusion to be drawn there????

AH.....the Tribe created the commies and the Muzzies hate the Tribe?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-09   20:23:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Can I get free health care first?

Sure, why not...

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#25)

Thanks. I'm going to lend my plan to Glenn Beck so he can have that boil lanced.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-09   20:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

TMI my friend, I thought ingrown hairs were all the rage!

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#9)

Not creative enough.

No, but I liked the progression & the symmetry.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-09-09   20:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull, Esso, Lod, christine (#23)

Don't mess with Israel?

People often conclude we are in the ME to stay because of oil and drugs.

They are collateral cash crops, we are in the ME to stay because of Israel and we will never leave other than in body bags.

Anyone that thinks differently is only deluding themselves.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-09   20:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Turtle (#2)

Every person I've known in that field laughs at the Truthers,

Then just goes to show that maybe you need to start making up some better stories, eh little man?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-09   20:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#29)

People often conclude we are in the ME to stay because of oil and drugs.

And not frankincense and myrrh?

Hmmm.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Turtle (#2)

This is why no one who implodes buildings for a living has never supported the Truthers or even been interviewed by them.

Thanks for clearing that up, dingus.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Dakmar (#31) (Edited)

China is opening up mines and prospecting for oil in Afghan, guess who is protecting them?????

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-09   20:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Cynicom (#33)

raytheon?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Turtle (#2)

I was raised in the constuction field and know people who own companies that implode buildings. Every person I've known in that field laughs at the Truthers, and at architects (who know nothing of demolition). This is why no one who implodes buildings for a living has never supported the Truthers or even been interviewed by them.

Do they also laugh at the firefighters who heard the explosions?

BTW, what's make you think ordinary demolition guys would know all about the most sophisticated equipment and methods dreamed up by those under contract by the NWO?

Even IF you aren't lying through your shell, just because you know a few guys who bring down some old buildings doesn't make either you or them experts on the capabilities of the richest people on earth. Computer controlled charges are not THAT far of a stretch, in fact, given enough money just about any good engineer could design and rig something up to get the job done, EXACTLY how it was done at WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-09   20:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Dakmar (#34)

Aynak Valley, Afghanistan.

"Somewhere beneath the valley’s floor lies one of the world’s biggest untapped copper deposits, estimated to be worth up to $88_billion (£44 billion) – more than double Afghanistan’s entire gross domestic product (GDP) in 2007. In November, a 30-year lease was sold to the China Metallurgical Group for $3 billion, making it the biggest foreign investment and private business venture in Afghanistan’s history. Last week the Afghan Government approved the contract, clearing the way for the revival of an industry that dates back to Alexander the Great".

US troops are keeping the natives away so the Chinks can haul out the copper.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-09   20:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Dakmar, Jethro tull (#34)

JALREZ VALLEY, Afghanistan ,May 09—

"In this Taliban stronghold in the mountains south of Kabul, the U.S. Army is providing the security that will enable China to exploit one of the world's largest unexploited deposits of copper, earn tens of billions of dollars and feed its voracious appetite for raw materials.

U.S. troops set up bases last month along a dirt track that a Chinese firm is paving as part of a $3 billion project to gain access to the Aynak copper reserves. Some troops made camp outside a compound built for the Chinese road crews, who are about to return from winter break. American forces also have expanded their presence in neighboring Logar province, where the Aynak deposit is.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-09   20:45:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#36)

So I should have bought anaconda stock?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dakmar (#34)

Ya watchin' O'boingo on the toob? The whole congress, VP & cabinet is there.

There's never one of them Iranian nukes around when you need it.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-09-09   20:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Dakmar (#38)

Nope, buy dirt.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-09   20:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Esso (#39)

There's never one of them Iranian nukes around when you need it.

It's a dramatic device used to advance the narrative, and you're just mean for acting like you don't know that.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Dakmar (#41)

Ooooooh. . . So it's a percentage deal? Well, that takes all the pressure off!

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-09-09   20:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Esso (#42)

I would gladly nuke some gooks for you on tuesday for a hamburger today.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-09   20:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Dakmar (#43)

I'll cut your lawn if you cut mine.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-09-09   21:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Esso. all (#39)

I'll cop to not having Yomamabama in my home.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-09   21:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Lod (#45)

You didn't miss much, I just wanted to get a look at the MFers who are destroying the country, but they kept showing the ape-woman (gak!) and that bug-eyed ratooie Nancy Peeloosi making faces behind O'boingo's back.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-09-09   21:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Esso (#46)

You didn't miss much, I just wanted to get a look at the MFers who are destroying the country, but they kept showing the ape-woman (gak!) and that bug-eyed ratooie Nancy Peeloosi making faces behind O'boingo's back.

Good grief - thanks much for the wrap.

Great to learn that I missed next to zero, except for the show.

Stay safe and well.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-09   21:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Lysander_Spooner, Turtle (#3)

dollars to doughnuts every company doing business in explosive building demolition were told if they don't toe the line on the "official conspiracy theory" as told by baalzabush and company they'd never lay their hands on anything bigger than an M-80 and have all of their assets seized for regulatory violations.

The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2009-09-09   23:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: wudidiz, artisan (#18)

saved, thanks.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-09-09   23:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Artisan (#49)

It's a good one, eh?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-09   23:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: IRTorqued, Lysander_Spooner, Turtle (#48)

dollars to doughnuts every company doing business in explosive building demolition were told if they don't toe the line on the "official conspiracy theory" as told by baalzabush and company they'd never lay their hands on anything bigger than an M-80 and have all of their assets seized for regulatory violations.

Exactly.

If they publicly question the official story, they don't get to blow things up any more.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-09   23:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FormerLurker (#35)

BTW, what's make you think ordinary demolition guys would know all about the most sophisticated equipment and methods dreamed up by those under contract by the NWO?

The fallacy of the official fairy tale and defenders of same is that they say, in one breath, that it would take months of careful and difficult preparation to rig those buildings to come down, and then in the next breath, they claim that all it takes to take those buildings down is some randomly dispersed kerosene and cutting a few random columns on a few random floors.


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-09-09   23:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: IRTorqued (#48)

dollars to doughnuts every company doing business in explosive building demolition were told if they don't toe the line on the "official conspiracy theory" as told by baalzabush and company they'd never lay their hands on anything bigger than an M-80 and have all of their assets seized for regulatory violations.

yep. you saw what happened to Professor Stephen Jones.

christine  posted on  2009-09-10   0:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Horse, turtle (#0)

The good news is that this article will be read by architects all over the world, and a good percentage will look at 9/11 with a critical eye for the first time. That could swell ae911truth's ranks dramatically.

Now a question for the hard shelled Testudine...

Tell me turtle, how do all of your demolition friends justify saying it would be too difficult an undertaking to have rigged the towers to collapse, yet believe that cutting a few random columns and spreading some kerosene around could do exactly that?

Three buildings, with random damage, and relatively small fires, all fall down magically, but rigging them to take them down would require critical timing, massive amounts of explosives, and months of prep work?


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-09-10   0:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: christine (#53)

whorge wasn't going to let Professor Jones get between him and his big adventure. baalzabush's invasion did wonders for getting his illegal meetings with the taliban trying to get them to rethink the unical pipeline deal off the radar, sure was swell of billyjeffxlinton keeping his yap shut about it.


The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2009-09-10   0:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#5)

horsepoop

That's wut I said.

Redundancy is priceless, teh plebs require it! Haha

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-10   0:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Horse (#0)

Friday is 8 years.

LETTER to BECK re: 9-12 project and Charlie Sheen's protest letter.

Hi Glenn,

I guess Charlie Sheen has drafted a mock letter to Obubba asking "where's the transparency" you promised ? Actually, Mr. Sheen's letter is regarding the lies we've been force fed by the tyrants in D.C. starting with George W. Bush. Of course Bush never committed to transparency, the exact opposite would be closer to the truth. But, Obubba promised open and transparent government and is being more covert than Bush.

No health records, no school records, no birth certificate, and no REAL INVESTIGATION into the events of 9-11. This man/President is surrounded by hard core radical communists. This man didn't get into office by accident. Now, Charlie Sheen is trying to expose the Liar in Chief because the evidence is overwhelming, the people do not believe the government story, the fake investigation is an assault upon our intelligence and you "A THINKER" refuse to ask yourself how in the world did three buildings all fall into their own footprint FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY because of a fire.

You have criticised "truthers" on too many occasions for it to be simply ignorance on your part. The truthers want some freakin answers to specific questions about 9-11. I mean when you have 830 Architects and Engineers signing on to a white paper and establishing a website to offer "EVIDENCE" that refutes the government fairytale, a fairytale that you have apparently signed on to, and 6 of the 10 Commissioners on the 9-11 Commission say they were lied to and that the commission amounted to a NATIONAL SCANDAL, it's time for you to re- evaluate your position.

3000 people died on American soil that day, Glenn. The facts have been hidden from the American people and the people of the world. Foreign nations warned us of an attack on New York. The families of the dead are deserving of the truth. America cannot allow another Kennedy cover-up because the last one has allowed for a CIA takeover of government and has led us to where we are today. We are on the verge of a communist/progressive takeover.

Those surrounding the President are violent and disgruntled inner-city radicals that believe the end justifies the means. The same could be said for the neo- cons that surrounded the Bush Presidency.

The media, including you and your ilk helped Obama accomplish his Presidency. You and your ilk are just as responsible for this abomination as Obama's supporters. If you're really concerned about the health and future of the country, get off of your ass and investigate the mass murder of 9-11 and speak the truth about it. (Fuck Bill O'Reilly, he's a shill too). Any arabic involvement was CIA/MOSSAD CONTRACTORS, just like the "John Does" at OKC.

Wake-up or shut up Beck !

The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity for a pound of flesh.

noone222  posted on  2009-09-10   7:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: noone222 (#57)

outstanding! i sure would like to see a reply to it.

christine  posted on  2009-09-10   10:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#58)

Thanks, I'd like to see him quit denigrating truthers.

The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity for a pound of flesh.

noone222  posted on  2009-09-11   6:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Horse (#0)

I will remember 9-11 as the greatest BETRAYAL by our government, and the greatest FAILURE to protect our country. I will remember it as the biggest LIE that the American People have ever had to swallow, followed by the systematic destruction of our Liberties and Prosperity.

I will forever view 9-11 as the greatest act of treason against the American People, until we rise up en masse, and remove from office every betrayer, every traitor, and every treasonous scumbag that holds office, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law, and incarcerate, or execute every last one. We have NEVER had justice done in this country, and the greatest betrayal has never been accounted for. I cannot find words foul enough to adequately convey my feelings on this, because today I will see all kinds of pseudo patriots wearing pins and crap talking about how we had to go after those muslims, when in fact we were betrayed by our own.

Muslims were just happy to be a part of the betrayal. If you look at who benefited from 9-11, it's not hard to see. An ever expanding government, the federal reserve, the people who OWN the federal reserve, the oil cartels, and of course the military industrial complex. That's not counting the Chinese who REALLY made the most of things with loaning us money, and in exchange buying our government lock stock and barrel.

Yeah, I'll never forget 9-11. It was the day that America became officially the most stupefyingly ignorant population of sheep on the planet, because they didn't see through the lie immediately, and never demanded JUSTICE.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-09-11   6:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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