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Title: How steel back brace made JFK a sitting duck in Dallas
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The Standard
URL Source: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Opinion/FK27Df02.html
Published: Sep 9, 2009
Author: James Reston
Post Date: 2009-09-09 21:10:18 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 1978
Comments: 135
Two years ago, historian Robert Dallek revealed new details about the extraordinary range of shots, stimulants and pills former United States President John F Kennedy took to control his physical pain and present his youthful image to the world. Important and interesting as these details are, they should not distract us from the one medical remedy that probably killed the president: his corset. Members of Kennedy's inner circle had often witnessed the painful ritual that Kennedy endured in his private quarters before he ventured in public, when his valet would literally winch a steel-rodded canvas back brace around the president's torso, pulling heavy straps and tightening the thongs loop by loop as if it was a bizarre scene out of Gone With the Wind. Once in it, the president was planted upright, trapped and almost bolted into a ramrod posture. Many would wonder how JFK could ever move in such a contraption. And yet move he did, and, besides his painkillers, his corset contributed to the youthful, high-shouldered military bearing that he presented glamorously to the world. But this simple device imparted a fate almost Mephistophelean in its horror to the sequence of events in Dallas 41 years ago. In researching my biography of governor John Connally of Texas 15 years ago, I was led to the critical importance of Kennedy's corset in the ghastly six seconds in November 1963 by a former Texas senator, the late Ralph Yarborough, who was in the motorcade that day. Yarborough growled softly about that ``damned girdle,'' and this led me to the remarks of two doctors, Charles James Carrico and Malcolm Oliver Perry, buried in Volume 3 of the 26-volume set of testimony that attended the Warren Commission report. In November 1963, Carrico was the 28-year-old resident in the emergency room of Parkland Hospital who first received the injured president in the trauma room; Perry came quickly to the emergency room to supervise the case - and then to pronounce the president dead a half-hour later. Before the Warren Commission, Carrico told of removing Kennedy's back brace in the first seconds after his arrival. He described the device as made of coarse white fibre, with stays and buckles. Apart from the never-ending controversy over how many bullets Lee Harvey Oswald actually fired from the Texas School Book Depository, most experts agree with the Warren Commission that Oswald's first bullet passed cleanly through Kennedy's lower neck, missing any bone, then entered Connally's back, streaking through the governor's body and lodging in his thigh. This was the first so-called magic bullet. When Connally was hit, he pivoted in pain to his left, his lithe body in motion as it swivelled downward, ending up in the lap of his wife, Nellie. But because of the corset, Kennedy's body did not act as a normal body would when the bullet passed through his throat. Held by his back brace, Kennedy remained upright, according to the Warren Commission, for five more seconds. This provided Oswald the chance to reload and shoot again at an almost stationary target. The frames of the Zapruder film confirm this ramrod posture: Kennedy's head turns only slightly in those eternal seconds, and his upper body almost not at all, from frame 225 (when the first shot entered his neck) to the fatal frame of 313. Without the corset, the force of the first bullet, travelling at a speed of 600 metres a second, would surely have driven the president's body forward, making him writhe in pain like Connally, and probably down in the seat of his car, beyond the view of Oswald's cross hairs for a second or third shot. With no bones struck and the spinal cord intact, the president almost certainly would have survived the wound from the first bullet. Both Carrico and Perry testified to this likelihood (and apropos of the decades-long controversy, both testified that the small, round, clean wound in the front of Kennedy's neck was an exit wound rather than an entry wound). To Perry, under the questioning of then-assistant counsel - now senator from Pennsylvania - Arlen Specter, the injury was ``tolerable''; the president would have recovered. Because the bullet had passed below the larynx, the wound would not even have impaired his speech later. In the new focus on cortisone shots, codeine painkillers, barbiturates, stimulants such as Ritalin, and gamma globulin injections, the simple corset needs to be emphasised, tragically, in the context of those medical strategies Kennedy used to create the illusion of the vigorous leader.
Poster Comment: I've always been amused by Kennedy "experts" who've pontificated to me about three shooters, the grassy knoll, his driver shot him...and not one of them knew Kennedy was straight-jacketed into his back brace, and that the throat shot was not fatal, indeed not even that bad of a wound.
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#39. To: Esso, shooters (#29)
Loddy, you ever hear of such an animal? Great catch there - I missed it. No, of course not. Copper or lead, or copper-clad lead, form the bullets.
Oh no no no -- you're puncturing the conspiracist's fantasies! Don't you know the bankers killed him? No, wait -- it was the CIA! Or was it Castro?
BTW Turtle, I thought better of you up till today. You've proven yourself to be quite the asshole, at least now it's right out there in the open.
Turtle starts arguments that he can't finish and then we find him aflounder in his little pond vainly trying to right himself with nonsensical assertions. "Musta been a steel-jacketed bullet." There actually is such an animal for small arms. I know of a 7.62x39 armor piercing. It has a copper wash. Without it, yeah, it would indeed weld itself to the barrel. But I think you would look in vain for steel-jacketed munitions made for milsurp rifles of this vintage. Here's Wiki on the ammunition used in the purported JFK assassination weapon. "A 6.5 mm 160 gr (10 g). round-nosed fully copper-jacketed military-type bullet, of a type normally used in 6.5 mm military rifles (such as the Carcano) was found by Governor Connally's gurney in Parkland Hospital. This bullet (CE 399, see single bullet theory), and two bullet fragments found in the presidential limousine, were ballistically matched to the rifle found in the book depository building. A partial palm print of Oswald was also found on the barrel of the gun.[19]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX :P
I will tell you what I tell everyone: I will give you 10,000 years to prove that anyone but Oswald killed Kennedy, or that there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. You cannot do it.
Those are really steel core, not steel jacketed. There ARE some foreign rounds that are in fact steel jackets with lead cores, but what it comes down to is that the "magic bullet" was a standard copper jacketed lead core round.
I'll give you the same amount of time to prove that Oswald did it.
I'll give you the same amount of time to prove that Oswald did it. A fair wager - Go!
As far as the WTC collapse, it's a physical impossibility for the towers to have collapsed at close to free fall speeds, being that the majority of the structure was undamaged (according to the official story at least). Take into account that the majority of the buildings falling mass was pulverized into dust and shot upwards or outwards, there was very little mass and kinetic energy left to do the sort of damage witnessed live on national TV, where it was absolutely impossible for it to have happened the way it did WITHOUT explosives.
The 6.5 Carcano was a fine rifle (made with Czech steel), the round was more than adequate for what Oswald did with it. Sources: personal.stevens .edu/~gliberat/carcano/emary.html "The 91/41 and most other Carcanos are well made rifles that exhibit old world craftsmanship and are a fine addition to anyone's collection." Source: www.surplu srifle.com/shoo...005/carcano9141/index.asp It's a low-recoil cartridge that exhibits similar ballistics for other 6mm European cartridges that are popular for moose and other European game.
_________________________________________________________________________ First Turtle needs to prove that Oswald did it, because if he can't, then SOMEONE besides Oswald had to have done it...
Do you believe that the magic bullet was steel jacketed too?
Wikipedia is quite correct in this instance. Google around and look at all the bizarre and contradictory theories about this EO. The EO only allowed a transfer of authority to Treasury so that smaller denomination silver certificates could be issued since the previous authorizing law had expired and the Fed was only authorized to print very large silver certificates. So JFK had the Treasury given the authority to issue silver certificates in smaller denominations that small investors could afford. And contrary to these wild theories, LBJ did not repeal that EO or make any change to it and it continued on for 20 years after that. So apparently the killer Fed failed if that's why they killed JFK. Sheesh. Now, the Fed is a killer all right. But they didn't kill JFK. That's an urban myth, most likely started by silver bugs.
"Prove" is a hard word. It takes a lot of expertise to "prove" anything in this regard. We rely on experts in this assassination, and the debate often boils down to a battle of experts. It should be noted that at least two of the nation's top acoustics labs claims a very high probability of five shots from acoustic evidence that can be matched with photos and film such as Zapruder's 8mm recording. Furthermore at least on of those shots echo-locates to another location, specifically the infamous Grassy Knoll. It was this evidence in part which motivated the House of Representative to conclude that there likely was a conspiracy in the murder of John F. Kennedy. http://pages.prodigy.net/whiskey99/hearnoevil.htm
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX Thousands of tons of skyscraper just turned to dust and floated away? Now I've heard it all.
Wasn't the Dealy Plaza rifle a Carcano 38? I don't think they had a very good reputation as a battle rifle, and the Italian soldiers weren't very fond of them. Never fired one but I've handled a few. They ain't Mausers, that's for sure. Good caliber for the job, so to speak. But I would have chosen a better rifle for an assassination if that were my trade.
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX Does this look like solid floors pancaking, or does this look like a bit of dust falling up, across, and everywhere... It was surplus military ammo: Oswald didn't reload ammo with hunting bullets. I don't even think spire-pointed/hunting-style 6.5 Carcano bullets were available back in 1963. Further, from See Parris and Die (H. Paul Jeffers and Dick Levitan, Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1971): "On his own request, Oswald was transferred from the active to the reserve Marines because his mother had been injured in an accident. Later, when Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, he was given an undesirable discharge, which he sought to have changed by appealing directly to Secretary of the Navy John connally. He wrote on January 30, 1962, that he would "employ all means to right this gross mistake or injustice." "It is clear that he thought he had been unjustly treated," concluded the Warren Report. The Navy Review Board, which had rejected nine out of ten men asking for modifications of their discharges in 1962, turned Oswald down, too, on July 25, 1963. There are students of the Oswald affair who believe that the fatal shots fired in Dallas on November 22, 1963, were aimed not at president John F. Kennedy or former Navy Secretary Connally but a that undesirable discharge from the Marines." I agree with this theory as being most likely, but I reject the 'magic bullet' BS. That 6.5mm FMJ bullet behaves like all other similar weight FMJ bullets do on game: excellent penetration with minimal expansion.
_________________________________________________________________________ The silver certificates were discontinued 5 months after JFK's death.
I disagree, it was a well-made rifle. See my links above (post #49). See this link for modern assessments by people who own them: http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/other-military-firearms/42148-6-5mm-carcano- why-bad-hype.html
_________________________________________________________________________ According to the Warren Commission, the 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle was the most accurate, rapidest firing rifle known to humanity at the time...
The bullet was steel-jacketed.
#40. To: TooConservative (#34)
not some glorious return to the silver standard
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#41. To: Turtle (#32)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#42. To: Esso (#29)
#43. To: Dakmar (#7)
#44. To: randge (#42)
Turtle starts arguments that he can't finish
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#45. To: randge (#42)
I know of a 7.62x39 armor piercing
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: Turtle (#44)
I will give you 10,000 years to prove that anyone but Oswald killed Kennedy
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: FormerLurker, Turtle, all (#46)
I will give you 10,000 years to prove that anyone but Oswald killed Kennedy
#48. To: Turtle (#44)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: Turtle (#17)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#50. To: Lod, Turtle, all (#47)
A fair wager - Go!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: X-15 (#49)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#52. To: FormerLurker (#38)
BTW, ANYONE can write whatever they want on Wiki.
#53. To: Turtle (#44)
#54. To: X-15. all (#49)
6.5 Carcano information - it was a POS -
#55. To: FormerLurker (#48)
Take into account that the majority of the buildings falling mass was pulverized into dust and shot upwards or outwards...
#56. To: X-15 (#49)
#57. To: TooConservative (#55)
Thousands of tons of skyscraper just turned to dust and floated away? Now I've heard it all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: FormerLurker (#51)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#59. To: TooConservative (#52)
(Edited)
And contrary to these wild theories, LBJ did not repeal that EO or make any change to it and it continued on for 20 years after that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: Lod (#54)
(Edited)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#61. To: randge (#56)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#62. To: X-15 (#58) (Edited)
Copper jacketed rounds that hit tissue do not look brand new. As far as Oswald, he deserted to the USSR while stationed at Iwakuni Japan, married a Soviet bride, then was given thousands of dollars by the US State Department and was allowed to come home to the US with his wife. He was certainly a CIA asset.
I agree with this theory as being most likely, but I reject the 'magic bullet' BS. That 6.5mm FMJ bullet behaves like all other similar weight FMJ bullets do on game: excellent penetration with minimal expansion
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: FormerLurker, turtle, All (#24)
I believe you called it right here. What can you expect from someone who has told us a thousand times about his pug(s). Furthermore he is delusional and I'm being kind here. Just ask him what a great lover he is, great outdoorsman, well educated, high IQ, and a big slimy piece of excrement. Anyone who needs constant attention is a sicko. That's turtle. What a putz!
So shove it up your lying ass idiot.
#64. To: Elliott Jackalope (#61)
Funny thing is, it didn't even make the assault weapons list. They must have forgotten about it when they wrote the assault weapons ban. Realistically, it was a serious POS and could not have fired as accurately as would be required. One other little problem is that Oswald was buying a soda when the shots were fired, so he'd have to be REALLY talented to pull it off...
According to the Warren Commission, the 6.5 mm caliber Carcano rifle was the most accurate, rapidest firing rifle known to humanity at the time...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#65. To: X-15 (#60)
Thanks and I will check it out, if you'll do one favor - to the right of "Make blank lines new paragraphs" is a box to check "Auto Hyperlink Web Addresses" which is a real help for we old folks. No Copy/Paste, just click on the link. Thanks, much.
#66. To: FormerLurker, TooConservative (#57)
It almost looks as though perhaps there might have been some sort of explosion. But the government says it pancaked due to kerosene fires. Who to believe?
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#67. To: Lod (#65)
I checked the box, but the whole link wasn't highlighted in red when I hit "Preview", I didn't want a dud link. It seems that a link longer than about 20 characters won't highlight.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#68. To: LACUMO (#63)
Like I said later on, I think he acts like a clown to get people offguard and make them think he is just a harmless old guy who craves attention. I think it's a smokescreen, as he uses the standard disinfo tactics well known shillsters use on a daily basis across any forum on the planet, when called upon to do so.
What a putz!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: TooConservative, FormerLurker (#52)
Who do you think was responsible for his death? Have you seen this?
Now, the Fed is a killer all right. But they didn't kill JFK. That's an urban myth, most likely started by silver bugs.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#70. To: X-15 (#60)
Don't know if they're talking about the 38 in particular here. Like I say I've handled a few and the tolerances were pretty sloppy. Fit and finish were poor, IMHO, but I'm not an expert by any means. I'm going to do some research on this rifle and also on the question: "What rifle should the JFK assassin used?"
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#71. To: Turtle (#0)
You, and this writer, are morans.
This provided Oswald the chance to reload and shoot again at an almost stationary target.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
#72. To: X-15, christine, Penguinite, coders (#67)
Huh! Let's bitch to the host and hostess then. ;-) Anyway, I don't believe that LHO was anything more than a patsy. And I won't argue the details any more. We all believe what we believe, and that's the way that it is.
#73. To: FormerLurker (#33)
If I ever by chance meet you in person, perhaps I'll show you what I do to people who call me a liar about my military service. But of course you'd never say it to my face you fucking coward. Ha ha. Awesome.
Fuck you asswipe, I was serving in the USMC while you were fondling your boyfriend in the backseat of your mom's car.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
#74. To: wudidiz (#66)
That top down demolition beginning at 1:38 or so in the video is more than likely the way it was done at the WTC.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: TooConservative (#34)
Your source is suspect bro. Wikipedia is not a good one.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
#76. To: randge (#70)
I'd say .308 Winchester (or 7.62x51mm NATO - pretty much the same thing. That became available in the 50's, and is an excellent caliber / rifle for sniper work.
I'm going to do some research on this rifle and also on the question: "What rifle should the JFK assassin used?"
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#77. To: wudidiz, turtle (#69)
Swamp gas reflecting off of one of jupiters moons caused the SS to stand down that day instead of protecting the POTUS.
Have you seen this?
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
#78. To: Clitora (#73)
I get a bit perturbed when someone questions my military service. It's sort of like getting robbed of my history by someone who wants to trash me for their own agenda.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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