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Title: Baez is Back! Takes Camp Casey by Storm
Source: Texas Iconoclast
URL Source: http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/34news01.htm
Published: Aug 22, 2005
Author: Gene Ellis
Post Date: 2005-08-23 15:34:56 by Lod
Keywords: Back!, Takes, Casey
Views: 330
Comments: 77

CRAWFORD — Shortly after Joan Baez arrived Sunday afternoon at Camp Casey II, she gave a press conference with the Gold Star Families, all of whom have lost loved ones in the war. She talked with them, and she cried with them.

Ms. Baez returned to the trailer to prepare for her performance, speaking only in whispers when it was necessary to speak at all, saving her voice.

She gave a moving performance, peppered with energy, emotion, humor, and humanity. She even showed compassion for President Bush, although she disagrees with him. She said she doesn’t make Bush jokes any more because they often offend more conservative folks, and that isn’t helping anything.

At one point, she laughingly forgot the line “keeping things vague” in the song “Diamonds and Rust,” and the audience helped her out. When she consulted a paper during the performance, holding it at arm’s length, she joked, “I get these brilliant ideas and then they fade from my mind, plus I can’t read any more.” Despite her good humor about aging, time has been very kind to Joan Baez. She is a lovely, compelling woman.

Ms. Baez told the crowd that she had only picked up the guitar again a week and a half ago and will go on tour in September. She claimed her fingers were like spaghetti, and that she didn’t remember words. “My mother says, ‘Did I take my ginko balboa today?’ and I say, ‘I don’t remember!’”

She sang “Joe Hill” in response to a request. Saying that the phrase “in harm’s way” was a euphemism for “sitting ducks,” she put down her guitar and sang “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” without accompaniment. Her voice rang sweet and true.

Ms. Baez suggested that if the mothers really wanted catharsis, they could sing along with her “Where Have All the Flowers Gone?” Emotions ran high as many in the crowd of perhaps five or six hundred wept openly. At the end of the song, she said, “You know, I have to manage to get through it, too.”

Ms. Baez sang “Gracias a la Vida” and several favorites from her long career. She thanked the group for having her here, then admitted she purchased her ticket to Texas before the invitation arrived.

After her performance, she graciously talked with several individuals in a dark area near her trailer. Three of these were veterans. Two were mothers who had lost their sons in Iraq. She hugged them and cried with them.

Camp bugler and Iraq war veteran Jeff Key, in an unplanned and completely spontaneous moment, took Ms. Baez’s hand. He led her to a spot before the many crosses that have been placed at the front of the camp. She was beside him, a diminutive woman beside a tall, strong young man, as he blew taps in the moonlight to a large, respectful crowd.

He saluted. They hugged. And there was complete and total silence.

When Ms. Baez returned to her private area behind the trailer, she sat down at a table, dropped her head into her folded arms, and wept.

+++++ Be sure and visit the source for pictures.

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#1. To: lodwick (#0)

It seems we're going to have to beat the snot out of them...

Bush Supporters, Activists Clash in Calif. Aug 23 2:34 PM US/Eastern

By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif.

Supporters of President Bush clashed with anti-war activists as they wound their way through California after rallying in the hometown of Cindy Sheehan, the mother who started a protest camp outside Bush's Texas ranch.

Conservative activists and military families embarked on the tour Monday, calling it "You don't speak for me, Cindy!" A verbal confrontation erupted when the caravan arrived in Sacramento and was met by anti-war protesters chanting for Bush to bring home the troops.

Sheehan supporter Dan Elliott, 71, confronted caravan members by waving a sign reading "Death is not support" and heckling one of the tour's organizers as she addressed the crowd.

"You are ruining the morale over there," responded Greg Parkinson, a Bush supporter.

Sheehan began her protest vigil Aug. 6 on the road leading to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, an act that has encouraged anti-war activists to join her and prompted peace vigils nationwide. Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, was killed last year in Iraq.

The pro-Bush caravan planned rallies in several California cities before heading to Crawford, where Sheehan opponents have formed their own camp.

"It's time to lay down the anger. We need to continue to uphold those people over there, to uphold those men and women with their boots on the ground," said Deborah Johns of the Northern California Marine Moms, who helped organize the caravan and addressed supporters outside the Vacaville Reporter newspaper in Sheehan's hometown.

Some caravan members called the anti-war protesters communists and said they were "aiding and abetting the enemy." Those comments enraged Sheehan supporter Dee Ann Heath, who said she has two sons serving in Iraq and another preparing to leave.

-Snip

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   15:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lodwick (#0)

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   15:51:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin, JT, Joan (#2)

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   16:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#3)

I still LOVE that song...

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   16:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: JC (#3)

Time in a Bottle

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   16:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

I have to believe that we lived when the best music ever, was being made.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   16:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lodwick, All (#0)

To think I used to resent her. She knew; and I didn't.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-08-23   17:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SKYDRIFTER (#7)


She had a unique childhood, maybe that helped. Joan Baez was born in Staten Island, New York, into a Quaker family. Her father Albert Baez, a physicist, refused lucrative war industry jobs, probably influencing Joan's political activism in the American and international civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s to the present. The family, frequently having to move by reason of his work, lived in different towns across the US, in France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Middle East, where they stayed in 1951. Baez, at the time only ten years old, was deeply impressed by the poverty and the inhuman treatment the local population in Bagdad suffered from. In the late 1950s, Dr. Baez accepted a faculty position at MIT, and moved his family to the Boston area, at the time the epicenter of the up-and-coming folk music scene, and Joan began performing locally in Boston/Cambridge area clubs, and attended Boston University.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   17:12:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin, Sky, JT, all (#8)

Great information - thank you.

And now a joke from a friend:

Subject: A Talking Clock

A drunk was proudly showing off his new apartment to a couple of friends late one night, and led the way to his bedroom where there was a big brass gong and a mallet.

"What's that big brass gong?" one of the guests asked. "It's not a gong. It's a talking clock," the drunk replied. "A talking clock? Seriously?" asked his astonished friend. "Yup," replied the drunk. "How's it work?" the friend asked, squinting at it. "Watch," the drunk replied. He picked up the mallet, gave the gong an ear-shattering pound, and stepped back. The three stood looking at one another for a moment.

Suddenly, someone on the other side of the wall screamed, "You asshole...it's three-fifteen in the morning!"

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   17:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lodwick (#0)

look here...the group appears to be mostly middle aged average Americans..

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   17:43:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#10)

I love this song.

Diamonds and Rust

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   17:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#8)

Joan is so pretty in that picture.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   17:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lodwick (#9)

LOL! That's right, it's 3:15 in the morning!

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   17:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#10)

They look way to normal for a successful GOP spin.

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   17:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#11)

Beautiful - thanks for the memories...I wonder who he was?

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   17:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down (Live)

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   17:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#15)

yeah, i wonder. you can hear the passion in her voice, can't you?

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   17:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: christine (#16)

Diamonds and Rust

Love it!

I had no idea she was born on Staten Island....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   18:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lodwick (#6)

I have to believe that we lived when the best music ever, was being made.

Yep, I still love it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   18:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lodwick, Jethro Tull (#0)

When Ms. Baez returned to her private area behind the trailer, she sat down at a table, dropped her head into her folded arms, and wept.

... and so did I. This war doesn't have to cost 52,000 of "us" and 2,000,000 of "them" , and it won't if we have anything to do with it. The good news is this latest bunch is can't be laughed off, and has thrown the neo-cons a curve that they can't hit.

New York version:

It's like deja vu all over again.

Hmmmmm  posted on  2005-08-23   18:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Bob, Sheena (#20)

We've Got Tonight

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Kingston Trio (#21)

Where Have All the Flowers Gone?

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Hmmmmm (#20)

I agree. Dubya is beginning to take on that beleaguered look LBJ had in '67. His rah-rah speech to some American Legion group yesterday was positively sad. This crap can't be justified.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   18:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull, Hmmmmm (#23)

This crap can't be justified.

I'm arguing with a dipsh!t now who's trying to!

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   18:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull, Roy Clark (#23)

Yesterday, When I was Young

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#24)

I'm arguing with a dipsh!t now who's trying to!

You've got way too much time on your hands. #;o)

Hmmmmm  posted on  2005-08-23   18:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#24)

I'm arguing with a dipsh!t now who's trying to!

Never argue with dips - sticks or shits - it is so upsetting and unprofitable.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: lodwick (#25)

Yesterday, When I was Young

Hee Haw..

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   18:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Hmmmmm, lodwick (#26)

i'm friggin' nuts. i don't need the grief either. this guy's another sharkfin or willie green. you know, a nuke 'em all bigot?

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   18:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

I agree. Dubya is beginning to take on that beleaguered look LBJ had in '67.

I read LBJ and family were haunted by the chants of "Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?" through the night.

It's no wonder we don't do body counts anymore. (If you really believe we don't I have this really nice bridge..........)

Hmmmmm  posted on  2005-08-23   18:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Hmmmmm (#30)

It's no wonder we don't do body counts anymore.

With the weapons we're dropping on the innocent, I'm not sure a body count is possible.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   18:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Hmmmmm, all (#28)

I had my grief earlier in the day formulating a pro se response to a totally false lawsuit to which I, and my partners, had been joined by a dipstick rehab company.

The goal now, is to find and share some tunes from my past, ingest several large g&t's, and try to calm myself.

Cheers, guys.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:44:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lodwick (#32)

Pro se, eh? Been there (to a point) then I handed it off to some skilled help. It makes you think some. Crush them Jim...

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-23   18:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

I'm not sure a body count is possible.

With all the DU we've used over there, I would say 100% would be fairly accurate over the coming years.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

Crush them Jim...

Thanks. If I do have to call in our self-described "bitch from hell" attorney, rehab guys will wish they were over in Iraq eating DU when she's through with them.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   18:54:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lodwick (#0)

Conservative activists and military families embarked on the tour Monday, calling it "You don't speak for me, Cindy!"

The "Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man" tour.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-08-23   18:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lodwick (#25)

I don't know who Joan Naez is.... but Roy Clark was once engaged to my aunt many many many years ago.

http://www.terrificmusic.com/files/music/horizon/danny_boy_john_gary.ram

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-08-23   19:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#11)

Diamonds and Rust

Trivia time - do you know who she is talking to in that song? No fair googling.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   20:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dakmar, Lodwick (#38)

no, tell us. lodwick and i were wondering.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   20:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: MUDDOG (#36)

"Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man"

I was singing that at the top of my lungs in my car coming home from work about three weeks ago. It wasn't on tape or radio or anything, I was just singing it, don't remember what led to my doing so, I had to have been sober...

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   20:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine, lodwick (#39)

My understanding is she wrote it about Bob Dylan. They were dating/couple at some point. He wrote her back with "You've got a lot of nerve"

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   20:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Dakmar (#41)

Unless she was mis-leading us about the blue eyes, it was NOT Dylan.

Hell, most all of us were "dating" back then...if only for a couple of hours or so.

More research is required here.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   20:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lodwick, christine (#42)

But the real hit was the title track, a self-penned masterpiece on the singer's favorite subject, her relationship with Bob Dylan. Outdoing the current crop of confessional singer/songwriters at soul baring, Baez sang to Dylan, reminiscing about her '60s love affair with him intensely, affectionately, and unsentimentally. It was her finest moment as a songwriter and one of her finest performances, period, and when A&M finally released it on 45, it made the Top 40, propelling the album to gold status. But those who bought the disc for "Diamonds & Rust" also got to hear "Winds of the Old Days," in which Baez forgave Dylan for abandoning the protest movement, as well as the jazzy "Children and All That Jazz," a delightful song about motherhood, and the wordless vocals of "Dida," a duet with Joni Mitchell accompanied by Mitchell's backup band...

Are you calling William Ruhlmann a LIAR? :)

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   20:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Dakmar (#43)

I don't even know Bill.

All I know is that all the pics I've ever seen of Dylan do NOT reveal blue eyes - nor should they, or will they ever.

Daks, I am in a very pissy mood this evening, apologies up...I'd just like to know who laid to her the Norwegian Wood that she wrote so beautifully about.

But if the "blue eyes" line is true, then Dylan was not the one, and we must search further.

Cheers, friend.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   21:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Dakmar (#41)

yuck. how disappointing.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   21:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lodwick (#44)

I'd just like to know who laid to her the Norwegian Wood

Call me a kook, but I'm thinking Lennon.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   21:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lodwick (#6)

I have to believe that we lived when the best music ever, was being made.

You may be right. Much to my total surprise, my teens, and their friends, listen to all the music I truely thought would be obsolete by now.

Not that I exposed them to it, as talk, classical and jazz is what I listen to now, nearly never classic rock.

I heard a commentator, a musician, a few days ago who claimed that out kids like Led Zeppelin, and there kids will like Led, and so on.

Maybe he's right?

tom007  posted on  2005-08-23   21:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Dakmar (#43)

Are you calling William Ruhlmann a LIAR? :)

I heard that it was Dylan too. There is more on Love Song to a Stranger.

There was that black eyed beauty from Boston Town,
Two days were never too long,
He stood by the mirror and picked out the rose,
But I already wrote him a song

Dylan and her were both in Boston on the folk circuit during the '64 / '65 period.

I always liked I shall be Released:

Rain shall come and winds shall blow,
And wild deer die in the mountain snow,
And birds shall beat at heaven's wall,
What comes to one will come to us all

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   21:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Dakmar, Lodwick (#46)

she says as i remember..maybe she forgot his eye color? this part is apropos to dylan--Well, you burst on the scene, already a legend The unwashed phenomenon The original vagabond

Well, I'll be damned 
Here comes your ghost again 
But that's not unusual 
It's just that the moon is full 
And you happened to call 
And here I sit 
Hand on the telephone 
Hearing a voice I'd known 
A couple of light years ago 
Heading straight for a fall 

As I remember your eyes Were bluer than robin's eggs My poetry was lousy you said Where are you calling from? A booth in the Midwest Ten years ago I bought you some cufflinks You brought me something We both know what memories can bring They bring diamonds and rust

Well, you burst on the scene, already a legend The unwashed phenomenon The original vagabond You strayed into my arms And there you stayed Temporarily lost at sea The Madonna was yours for free Yes, the girl on the half-shell Could keep you unharmed

Now I see you standing with brown leaves falling around And snow in your hair Now you're smiling out the window of that crummy hotel Over Washington Square Our breath comes out white clouds Mingles and hangs in the air Speaking strictly for me We both could have died then and there

Now you're telling me you're not nostalgic Then give me another word for it You who are so good with words And at keeping things vague 'Cause I need some of that vagueness now It's all come back too clearly Yes, I loved you dearly And if you're offering me diamonds and rust I've already paid

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   21:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: christine (#49)

I was thinking of changing my screen name to UnwashedPhenomenon, but it'd no doubt trip me up eventually. Too many letters for one thing.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   21:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: crack monkey (#48)

here ya go

I Shall Be Released

i don't know who he's singing with here.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   21:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: christine, Flintlock (#49)

I've been searching all evening for Judas Priest version of this song, record companies are really clamping down, all I could find was some awful Rob Halford wailing peice of dog crap.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   21:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: christine (#49)

Have you ever listened to Love Song to a Stranger? If you like Diamonds and Rust you'll like that one too. She sings about all of her lovers in one song. I can't remember all of it, but it is really well done:

The brought me a beautiful basket of fruit,
And two fingers bowels of glass,
The couch is gold with a floral design
And the wine is germany's best,
And the wine is germany's best.

My thoughts drift into the frozen night,
Frankfurt is covered with snow,
and numbly the fly on the icy winds,
To places their longing to go,
To places their longing to go.

I remember the boy from the monestary,
Who wanted to be a monk,
But he brought flowers and wine to my room,
and we both got perfectly drunk,
And we both got perfectly drunk

He laughed liket the chimes of a silver bell,
his eyes were alexaderite blue,
he danced the tight jig with the grace of of a deer,
and I wanted to marry him too,
and I wanted to marry him too.

etc.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   21:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: crack monkey, Dak (#53)

Lemme see if I can find it. I've not heard it before. Dak, try using the search engine Dogpile and click on audio for your search of that song.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   21:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: robin (#8)

Your Twain quote is beautiful. I never saw that before. Smirky the Wonderchimp is now implying that opposing the Iraq war is treason, of course. I can't wait til he is in a supermax, locked down 23 hours a day. He deserves worse. The protesters in SLC had a great run of posters going: Where's Jenna?

The rich never send their kids to die, it's the poor and the deluded middle class who pay.

Mekons4  posted on  2005-08-23   21:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: crack monkey (#53)

I can't find one any longer than 30 secs online. I liked what I heard though.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-23   21:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: christine (#54)

It's kind of rare. It's only on the live "From Every Stage" album.

If you want a really good album, you should pick this up. It's a double album and I like almost every song on it. It's one of the real classics in my collection. It has what I beleive is the only obtainable copy of "Suzanne", e.g., Suzanne takes your hand and she leads you to the river, she's wearing rags and feathers from salvation army counters, and the sun pours down like honey on our lady of the harbor, and she show you where to look amongst the garbage and the flowers ....". Also serveal of the great old Emmy Lou Harris songs as well as some I've never heard anywhere else. She does a great Lilly, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts too.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   21:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Dakmar (#50)

The UnwashedPhenomenon

I'm going to be The UnwashedPheromone

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   21:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: crack monkey, Leonard Cohen, Suzanne (#57)

In to this furnace, I ask you now to venture....

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   21:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Dakmar (#59)

Suzanne takes you down to her place near the river

You can hear the boats go by

You can spend the night beside her

And you know that she's half crazy

But that's why you want to be there

And she feeds you tea and oranges

That come all the way from China

And just when you mean to tell her

That you have no love to give her

Then she gets you on her wavelength

And she lets the river answer

That you've always been her lover

And you want to travel with her

And you want to travel blind

And you know that she will trust you

For you've touched her perfect body with your mind.

And Jesus was a sailor

When he walked upon the water

And he spent a long time watching

From his lonely wooden tower

And when he knew for certain

Only drowning men could see him

He said "All men will be sailors then

Until the sea shall free them"

But he himself was broken

Long before the sky would open

Forsaken, almost human

He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone

And you want to travel with him

And you want to travel blind

And you think maybe you'll trust him

For he's touched your perfect body with his mind.

Now Suzanne takes your hand

And she leads you to the river

She is wearing rags and feathers

From Salvation Army counters

And the sun pours down like honey

On our lady of the harbour

And she shows you where to look

Among the garbage and the flowers

There are heroes in the seaweed

There are children in the morning

They are leaning out for love

And they will lean that way forever

While Suzanne holds the mirror

And you want to travel with her

And you want to travel blind

And you know that you can trust her

For she's touched your perfect body with her mind.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   21:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: crack monkey (#58)

I'm going to be The UnwashedPheromone

Completely illogical. I'm taking my campaign war chest home and retiring. Dakmar4Senate.2006! Cash only, please.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   21:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Dakmar (#61)

Completely illogical

Well then how about "Pheromone of the Unwashed"? That makes perfect sense and has a nice ring to it to boot. I suppose you'll claim it's too long.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   21:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: christine (#49)

As you know from personal experince, recently, when your spouse was asked, "Are those your real eyes?" (By a waitress whose IQ may have approached room temperature); you just do not write lines like this to open a song, if they are not true:

As I remember your eyes

Were bluer than robin's eggs

+++

It's kinda like trying to describe Elizabeth Taylor's most unique eyes...they are hers, and hers alone.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   22:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Dakmar (#61)

I think my cat is constipated.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   22:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: crack monkey, christine, lodwick (#64)

Lyrics: Positively 4th Street by Bob Dylan

Addendum to J4JP Release - October 13, 2003*

You've got a lot of nerve
To say you are my friend.

When I was down you just stood there grinning.

You've got a lot of nerve
To say you've got a helping hand to lend.
You just want to be on the side that's winning.

You say I let you down,
You know it's not like that.
If you're so hurt, why then don't you show it?

You say you've lost your faith,
But that's not where it's at.

You have no faith to lose, and you know it.

I know the reason that
You talk behind my back.
I used to be among the crowd you're in with.

Do you take me for such a fool
To think I'd make contact
With the one who tries to hide what he don't know to begin with?

You see me on the street.
You always act surprised.

You say, how are you, good luck, but you don't mean it.
When you know as well as me,
You'd rather see me paralyzed
Why don't you just come out once and scream it!

Now don't I feel that good
When I see the heartaches you embrace
If I were a master thief perhaps I'd rob them.

And though I know you're dissatisfied
With your position and your place,

Don't you understand, it's not my problem.

I wish that for just one time,
You could stand inside my shoes,
And just for that one moment I could be you.
Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes,
You'd know what a drag it is to see you.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-23   22:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: crack monkey (#60)

Suzanne absolutely rocks.

Thanks for that memory.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-23   22:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Mekons4 (#55)

Smirky the Wonderchimp is now implying that opposing the Iraq war is treason, of course. I can't wait til he is in a supermax, locked down 23 hours a day. He deserves worse. The protesters in SLC had a great run of posters going: Where's Jenna?

The rich never send their kids to die, it's the poor and the deluded middle class who pay.

This Twain quote is new to me too, I found it on http://AntiWar.com, in the upper-right hand corner of the website, where a new anti-war quote shows up almost every time I open their website.

"Where's Jenna?", that does make a great chant.

I am a little surprised the Bush Dynasty didn't send one of Barbara's 17 grandchildren for at least a photo op in a secure sort of unit. But, they must have read the real reports on Depleted Uranium (or had someone tell them what was in the reports).

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   22:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Dakmar (#65)

Did you know Fat Freddy had a cat? I think it was pretty regular though, so maybe thid falls outside the current discussion.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   22:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: robin (#67)

"Where's Jenna?", that does make a great chant.

Did you notice that when this Bush twin stuff started coming up last month the army quit moaning about the recruiment figures? I saw one low key article today and that is about all. The bots are coming back with: "It's volunteer!!". Maybe Bush doesn't want anyone responding: "Yeah, and they desperately need volunteers so whadda you doing here?".

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   22:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: crack monkey (#69)

Did you notice that when this Bush twin stuff started coming up last month the army quit moaning about the recruiment figures? I saw one low key article today and that is about all. The bots are coming back with: "It's volunteer!!". Maybe Bush doesn't want anyone responding: "Yeah, and they desperately need volunteers so whadda you doing here?".

I failed to notice the timing, that sounds about the right amount of spin.

I know we don't have a draft, but how do they explain to the National Guard that they are guarding our nation while being blown apart in Iraq? And, it was reported that there are no leaves for Sept and Oct. Where does volunteering end and slavery begin?

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   22:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: robin (#70)

Every freeper that sits over here pounding a keyboard forces a soldier into a third tour of pounding the ground in Iraq.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-23   22:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: crack monkey (#71)

Go Freepies Go!

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-23   22:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: christine (#49)

And if you're offering me diamonds and rust I've already paid

I've had the tape for years; lotta tears in there.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-08-24   4:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: robin (#8)

Thanks.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-08-24   4:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: lodwick (#44)

Bob's got blue eyes.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-08-24   10:54:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Dakmar (#65)

Smokey the Bear Sutra.

Once in the Jurassic about 150 million years ago,
the Great Sun Buddha in this corner of the Infinite
Void gave a Discourse to all the assembled elements
and energies: to the standing beings, the walking beings,
the flying beings, and the sitting beings -- even grasses,
to the number of thirteen billion, each one born from a
seed, assembled there: a Discourse concerning
Enlightenment on the planet Earth.

"In some future time, there will be a continent called
America. It will have great centers of power called
such as Pyramid Lake, Walden Pond, Mt. Rainier, Big Sur,
Everglades, and so forth; and powerful nerves and channels
such as Columbia River, Mississippi River, and Grand Canyon
The human race in that era will get into troubles all over
its head, and practically wreck everything in spite of
its own strong intelligent Buddha-nature."

"The twisting strata of the great mountains and the pulsings
of volcanoes are my love burning deep in the earth.
My obstinate compassion is schist and basalt and
granite, to be mountains, to bring down the rain. In that
future American Era I shall enter a new form; to cure
the world of loveless knowledge that seeks with blind hunger:
and mindless rage eating food that will not fill it."

And he showed himself in his true form of

SMOKEY THE BEAR

A handsome smokey-colored brown bear standing on his
hind legs, showing that he is aroused and watchful.

Bearing in his right paw the Shovel that digs to the
truth beneath appearances; cuts the roots of useless attach-
ments, and flings damp sand on the fires of greed and war;

His left paw in the Mudra of Comradely Display -- indicating
that all creatures have the full right to live to their limits
and that deer, rabbits, chipmunks, snakes, dandelions,
and lizards all grow in the realm of the Dharma;

Wearing the blue work overalls symbolic of slaves and
laborers, the countless men oppressed by a civilization
that claims to save but often destroys;

Wearing the broad-brimmed hat of the West, symbolic of
the forces that guard the Wilderness, which is the Natural
State of the Dharma and the True Path of man on earth:
all true paths lead through mountains --

With a halo of smoke and flame behind, the forest fires
of the kali-yuga, fires caused by the stupidity of those
who think things can be gained and lost whereas in truth all
is contained vast and free in the Blue Sky and Green Earth
of One Mind;

Round-bellied to show his kind nature and that the great
earth has food enough for everyone who loves her and trusts her;
Trampling underfoot wasteful freeways and needless
suburbs; smashing the worms of capitalism and totalitarianism;

Indicating the Task: his followers, becoming free of cars,
houses, canned foods, universities, and shoes; master the
Three Mysteries of their own Body, Speech, and Mind; and
fearlessly chop down the rotten trees and prune out the
sick limbs of this country America and then burn the leftover trash.

Wrathful but Calm. Austere but Comic. Smokey the Bear will
Illuminate those who would help him; but for those who would hinder or
slander him,

HE WILL PUT THEM OUT.

Thus his great Mantra:

Namah samanta vajranam chanda maharoshana
Sphataya hum traks ham nam

"I DEDICATE MYSELF TO THE UNIVERSAL DIAMOND
BE THIS RAGING FURY DESTROYED"

And he will protect those who love woods and rivers,
Gods and animals, hobos and madmen, prisoners and sick
people, musicians, playful women, and hopeful children:

And if anyone is threatened by advertising, air pollution, television,
or the police, they should chant SMOKEY THE BEAR'S WAR SPELL:

DROWN THEIR BUTTS
CRUSH THEIR BUTTS
DROWN THEIR BUTTS
CRUSH THEIR BUTTS

And SMOKEY THE BEAR will surely appear to put the enemy out
with his vajra-shovel.

Now those who recite this Sutra and then try to put it in
practice willl accumulate merit as countless as the sands
of Arizona and Nevada.
Will help save the planet Earth from total oil slick.
Will enter the age of harmony of man and nature.
Will win the tender love and caresses of men, women, and
beasts.
Will always have ripe blackberries to eat and a sunny spot
under a pine tree to sit at.

AND IN THE END WILL WIN HIGHEST PERFECT
ENLIGHTENMENT.

thus have we heard.

~ Gary Snyder

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-24   21:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: christine, lodwick (#39)

Now Ophelia, she's 'neath the window
For her I feel so afraid
On her twenty-second birthday
She already is an old maid

To her, death is quite romantic
She wears an iron vest
Her profession's her religion
Her sin is her lifelessness And though her eyes are fixed upon
Noah's great rainbow
She spends her time peeking
Into Desolation Row

was just listening to Dylans "Desolation Row" and was wondering if maybe he wrote that about Joan Baez.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S. Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-29   19:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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